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Neptune-sized planet dubbed 'Planet X' DOES exist beyond Pluto (POLL ADDED)

Is Planet X (ix) a planet

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 79.2%
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Scientists say they finally have 'solid evidence' for Planet X, a true ninth planet on the fringes of our solar system.
The gas giant is thought to be almost as big as Neptune and orbiting billions of miles beyond Neptune's path - distant enough to take 10,000 to 20,000 years to circle the sun.
This Planet 9, as the two Caltech researchers call it, hasn't been spotted yet,

They base their findings on mathematical and computer modeling, and anticipate its discovery via telescope within 5 years.


Researchers inferred Planet X's presence from the peculiar clustering of six previously known objects that orbit beyond Neptune.
They say there's only a 0.007% chance, or about one in 15,000, that the clustering could be a coincidence.
Instead, they say, a planet with the mass of 10 Earths has shepherded the six objects into their strange elliptical orbits, tilted out of the plane of the solar system.



The six most distant known objects in the solar system with orbits exclusively beyond Neptune (magenta) all mysteriously line up in a single direction. Such an orbital alignment can only be maintained by some outside force, Batygin and Brown say. Their paper argues that a planet with 10 times the mass of the earth in a distant eccentric orbit anti-aligned with the other six objects (orange) is required to maintain this configuration.



'We have found evidence that there's a giant planet in the outer solar system,' Brown told Popsci.
'By 'giant' we mean the size of Neptune, and when we say 'outer solar system' we mean 10 to 20 times farther away than Pluto.'
Brown and Konstantin Batygin, a theoretical astrophysicist at Caltech who specializes in solar system dynamics, think Planet X formed in the early stages of the solar system, some 4 billion years ago, when the large planets (including Planet X) were still rocky cores.
If Planet X's core had been able to stay in the inner solar system and carry out the rest of its formation, it could have accumulated enough gas or ice to become another giant like Jupiter or Neptune, the pair told Popsci.


But because the large cores of the other planets were packed so tightly in the inner solar system, there wasn't enough room for them all to develop, and Planet X was 'kicked out.
'There would have been a gas nebula around the solar system at the time that would have slowed it down as it plowed through the gas, putting it into this eccentric orbit,' Brown said.
'I could not imagine a bigger deal if—and of course that's a boldface 'if'—if it turns out to be right,' Gregory Laughlin, a planetary scientist at the University of California (UC), Santa Cruz told Science.

'What's thrilling about it is [the planet] is detectable.'
The team has time on the one large telescope in Hawaii that is suited for the search, and they hope other astronomers will join in the hunt.
Subaru, an 8-meter telescope in Hawaii that is owned by Japan. It has enough light-gathering area to detect such a faint object, coupled with a huge field of view—75 times larger than that of a Keck telescope.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Telescope
 
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THIS is the planet Lovecraft wrote of in The Whisperer in the Darkness. If these scientists have any sense at all, once this planet is located and verified they will name it "Yuggoth".
 

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Still believe a stella object that has 5 moons is a planet
For me when they "find this new Potential Neptune sized object" it may become the 10th Planet

then again probably not as they cannot prove that if it exists that it has cleared its "orbit" :)
 
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Makes me even more pissed that construction of the TMT was stopped.... but hey, lets put all science aside for the volcano gods
 

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Donald Trump and Sarah Palin liked this.

Must admit I'm not able to connect the dots between the three.

Unless it's an allusion to him fighting that wind farm off the coast of a Scottish resort
 
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Before this descends into another Trump farce.

Brown and Batygin worked to reclassify Pluto as a dwarf planet in 2006.
This isn’t the first time astronomers have inferred the existence of another planet by calculating the movement of other objects in our solar system. When Neptune was
discovered in 1846, it was because astronomers noticed that it was being pulled out of normal orbit, and they predicted that this was because of the gravity from another planet. This could very well be another case of history repeating (on) itself.
 
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Nemesis, anyone? It may not be a brown dwarf but what does it drag along on it's close orbit swing every 10,000-20,000 years? That is a short orbit for mass extinctions but it still strikes me as a worrisome possibility.
 

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Must admit I'm not able to connect the dots between the three.

Unless it's an allusion to him fighting that wind farm off the coast of a Scottish resort

Just a reference to their madness. Sits well with volcano gods.
 

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your refering to the bear from Alaska and the Bull from bullshit land of course
they are both destined for grate things like obscurity and .................. NOT ELECTABLE in the real world
 
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Planet IX takes shape​

The astrophysicists assume that Planet IX is a smaller version of Uranus and Neptune - a small ice giant with an envelope of H and He.

Scientists conclude that a planet with the projected mass equal to 10 Earth masses has a present-day radius of 3.7 Earth radii. Its temperature is - 226°C (47 K). The planet's emission is dominated by the cooling of its core, otherwise the temperature would only be 10 K. Its intrinsic power is ~ 1000 times bigger than its absorbed power. Therefore, the reflected sunlight contributes only a minor part to the total radiation that could be detected. This also means that Planet IX is much brighter in the infrared than in visible light.




That thing is 700 AU away from the Sun :wtf:
 

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If IF its out there its Not a planet as they deam to term objects past Neptunes Orbit as not forfilling their requirments they become just Kuiper belt objects
 

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Poll added.


I voted yes.

I will never forgive the bastards for robbing us of Pluto.
 
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I voted yes Planet X-1 is a planet due to it's hypothetical size and orbiting bodies.
 
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Such big objects definitely clear the area around them so they are planets. I'm not sure whether that planet was formed there, or it was formed in the inner Solar system but got kicked out or maybe it's a rogue planet that was captured by the Sun.

btw thanks for the poll
 

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said this before
Still believe a stella object that has 5 moons is a planet
For me when they "find this new Potential Neptune sized object" it may become the 10th Planet

then again probably not as they cannot prove that if it exists that it has cleared its "orbit" :)
and i voted no
 

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Poll added.


I voted yes.

I will never forgive the bastards for robbing us of Pluto.

With as much as we've learned about Pluto in the last year, I stubbornly hold to and am more convinced than ever (definitions be damned!)that Pluto is also a planet.

Voted "yes".
 

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its only speculation at the moment
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ps even Jupiter has not Cleared its orbit

"" The Jupiter trojans are divided into two groups: The Greek camp in front of and the Trojan camp trailing behind Jupiter in their orbit. The Jupiter trojans, commonly called Trojan asteroids or just Trojans, are a large group of asteroids that share the orbit of the planet Jupiter around the Sun. "" (wilki)
 
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Solar system is full of astronomical objects:

Centaurs, Uranus Trojans, Neptune Trojans ...





Centaurs--asteroid-like objects which (generally) cross the orbit of Neptune. First one discovered in 1977. (254)
  • Uranus Trojans--object orbiting in Uranus's L4 position (similar semimajor axis to Uranus, but orbiting 60° ahead of Uranus). First one discovered in 2011, identified as such in 2013. (1)
  • Neptune Trojans--objects orbiting in Neptune's L4 and L5 positions (similar semimajor axis to Neptune, but orbiting 60° ahead of or behind Neptune). Of those known, 9 objects are in the L4 position and 3 in the L5 position. First one discovered in 2001. (12)
  • Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs) or Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs)--non-cometary objects with semimajor axes beyond Neptune's orbit. First one discovered in 1992. (1,532) Subgroups include:
    • Plutinos--TNOs near the 2:3 resonance with Neptune. Pluto, discovered in 1930, is the largest object near this resonance. First one other than Pluto discovered in 1993. (132+120 possible members)
    • Resonance objects--TNOs in resonances with Neptune (other than Plutinos and Neptune Trojans). Resonance locations with known objects include: 4:5 (5), 3:4 (9), 5:8 (2), 3:5 (19), 4:7 (19), 5:9 (5), 6:11 (1), 1:2 (26), 4:9 (5), 3:7 (9), 5:12 (2), 2:5 (19), 3:8 (1), 1:3 (5), 4:13 (1), 3:10 (1), 2:7 (3), 1:4 (1), and 2:11 (2). These resonance locations range from 1.16 to 3.12 times the semimajor axis of Neptune's orbit, or from 34.9 to 93.6 AU. (135 total)
    • Cubewanos--TNOs generally with eccentricities below 0.15 and with semimajor axes between 41.8 AU and 48 AU, or otherwise classfied as "classical" TNOs. First one discovered in 1992. (596+218 possible members)
    • Haumea family members--A subgroup of Cubewanos, TNOs which are likely fragments of dwarf planet Haumea. These are identified based on similarities in both orbit and apparent composition. (11)
    • Scattered disk objects (SDOs)--TNOs with aphelion distances near Neptune's orbit and semimajor axes greater than 50 AU. First one discovered in 1995. (Note: this count does not include the resonance objects.) (144)
    • Other TNOs not fitting in the above groups. (174)
    • Inner Oort cloud objects?--objects orbiting beyond the classical Kuiper belt, with perihelia greater than 55 AU. The first one, (90377) Sedna, was discovered in 2003. (2)
  • Other asteroids with aphelion distances greater than 7.5 AU. (172) This includes a few members of the following groups:
    • Damocloids--A loosely defined class of asteroids with cometary orbits, those counted here include "unusual" minor planets with semimajor axes greater than 7.5 AU. First one discovered 1991. (88)
    • Apollos--Asteroids with perihelion distances less than 1 AU (those included here are those with aphelion distances greater than 7.5 AU. (7)
    • Amors--Asteroids with perihelion distances between 1 AU and 1.2 AU (those included here are those with aphelion distances greater than 7.5 AU. (3)
    • Other unusual objects--Minor planets identified by the MPC as unusual. (74)


Just look at this crazy list of TNO (Transneptunian Objects)


In a nutshell: even Solar system is full of stuff and nobody knows jack shit about them lol. So many places to be explored!
 

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Makes you realize how stupid they were to demote Pluto from full planet Status
It was Demoted not by Science and Reason but Politics

Jupiter is Classed as a planet Because
it has cleared its orbit according to the IAU


Yeh !!
 
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I didn't even know about 6 degree misalignment in Solar System. What can I say ...





Scientists suggested that the 6 degree misalignment between the Sun's rotational equator and the orbital plane of the major planets may be produced by the forcing from the hypothetical Planet IX on an inclined orbit.



This six degree offset is a problem as our understanding of the Solar System's formation from a rotating dust cloud requires the equator of our newly formed Sun to be lying in the same plane as the outer disk from which the planets formed, and along which their orbits subsequently followed.
 
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Noooooo it can't be! Overdose. I'm. Losing. My. Shit.





Hunt for Planet IX reveals new extremely distant Solar System objects


Sheppard and Trujillo, along with David Tholen of the University of Hawaii, are conducting the largest, deepest survey for objects beyond Neptune and the Kuiper Belt and have covered ~10% of the sky to date using some of the largest and most advanced telescopes and cameras in the world. As they find and confirm extremely distant objects, they analyze whether their discoveries fit into the larger theories about how interactions with a massive distant planet could have shaped the outer Solar System.

The new objects they have submitted to the Minor Planet Center for designation include 2014 SR349, which adds to the class of the rare extreme trans-Neptunian objects. It exhibits similar orbital characteristics to the previously known extreme bodies whose positions and movements led Sheppard and Trujillo to initially propose the influence of Planet IX.

Another new extreme object they found, 2013 FT28, has some characteristics similar to the other extreme objects but also some differences.

Another discovery, 2014 FE72, is the first distant Oort Cloud object found with an orbit entirely beyond Neptune. It has an orbit that takes the object so far away from the Sun (~ 3000 AU) that it is likely being influenced by forces of gravity from beyond our Solar System such as other stars and the galactic tide. It is the first object observed at such a large distance.



Here's updated map of the Outer Solar System. It seems we really know jack shit about it. 2014 FE72 is not on the map. Obviously, it's 3000 AU away


 
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Personally, I think we are better off focusing on planets we can reach and colonize.

We've got three of them, Luna, Mars, and Venus.
 
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