Even when AMD wins it loses

[qubit]

That's what the video reckons, anyway.

This video analyses sales and usage of AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards over the years to show that NVIDIA always sells a lot more graphics cards even when they have allegedly inferior products in terms of framerate performance, price and technology. In time, this has lead to AMD losing the technological lead due to lack of money for research and development, apparently.

I think it's missing something however, in that it's not taking into account other characteristics of graphics cards such as driver featureset/stability, power consumption and heat, plus noise from the fan along with coil whine. All these things affect sales too, not just raw framerate performance and price. Just check out any TPU graphics card review to understand how important these things are.

I think the analysis has some merit, but the video seems to have an AMD bias and comes off as an AMD apologist to some extent.

See what you think.

Oh and TPU features at 26:18.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

In an oposite day scenario Nvidia gave away free gsinck and Amd would of charged way more 2too3times than ngreedia did.

 

[fourletterfame]

I think the analysis has some merit, but the video seems to have an AMD bias and comes off as an AMD apologist to some extent.

It's common sense that less profit means less R&D, this doesn't seem at all like an apology for AMD. It seems more like a potential explanation for some odd data in steams hardware database. Seeing it as an AMD apologists video seems to illuminate for us your bias, however.

 

[qubit]

It's common sense that less profit means less R&D, this doesn't seem at all like an apology for AMD. It seems more like a potential explanation for some odd data in steams hardware database. Seeing it as an AMD apologists video seems to illuminate for us your bias, however.

No, I'm not biased, perhaps you are? Thanks.

Don't forget to vote.

 

[Smanci]

I think it's missing something however, in that it's not taking into account other characteristics of graphics cards such as driver featureset/stability, power consumption and heat, plus noise from the fan along with coil whine. All these things affect sales too, not just raw framerate performance and price. Just check out any TPU graphics card review to understand how important these things are.

Those are the main things why AMD hasn't offered competitive options for a long time.

Also, the video is a pointless clickbait. /thread

 

[qubit]

Those are the main things why AMD hasn't offered competitive options for a long time.

Agreed.

Also, the video is a pointless clickbait. /thread

In your opinion. I don't post clickbait. I found it interesting so shared it here. Careful with your accusations, thanks.

 

[Smanci]

In your opinion. I don't post clickbait. I found it interesting so shared it here. Careful with your accusations, thanks.

Pick a conspicuous title, a controversial topic, and make a simplified black and white statement. Attract viewers with a giveaway and promote 3rd party sites in the description.
Prime example of a clickbait.

 

[qubit]

Pick a conspicuous title, a controversial topic, and make a simplified black and white statement. Attract viewers with a giveaway and promote 3rd party sites in the description.
Prime example of a clickbait.

It does promote a competition in the YT page, but you don't see me doing that here, just the analysis. You don't even see it unless you specifically visit the YT page, either.

A point is often quite simple, the whole video is spent explaining it and it happens to be controversial. So what? He's not allowed to make it? People aren't allowed to talk about it on a forum like this?

Again, if I thought the video was clickbait I wouldn't have posted it. I see enough of those about all sorts of things and never give them any air time. Again, if you read what I said about it, I think there's some merit to the analysis, even though I think it's flawed in places in my opinion so I voted not sure. Can't be fairer than that.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

It shows how clueless sheep will buy on brand name alone and the only deciding factor. However, driver development mattered in performance

 

[dorsetknob]

Pick a conspicuous title, a controversial topic, and make a simplified black and white statement. Attract viewers with a giveaway and promote 3rd party sites in the description.
Prime example of a clickbait.

wrong on a few counts
@qubit posted a poll and a video he is not Giving Away anything ( Hint ) that giveaway is the Responsibility of the youtube video poster

as for promoting 3rd Party Sites in OP
DUH when has the only site mentioned by @qubit ( which was TPU ) classed as a 3rd Party Site

Oh and TPU features at 26:18.

 

[Smanci]

wrong on a few counts
@qubit posted a poll and a video he is not Giving Away anything ( Hint ) that giveaway is the Responsibility of the youtube video poster

as for promoting 3rd Party Sites in OP
DUH when has the only site mentioned by @qubit ( which was TPU ) classed as a 3rd Party Site

I think you misunderstood. I only commented on the video itself, not this thread and the OP.

 

[dorsetknob]

I think you misunderstood. I only commented on the video itself, not this thread and the OP.

Your Post #7 comes across as an attack on the OP as i read it

Pick a conspicuous title, a controversial topic, and make a simplified black and white statement. Attract viewers with a giveaway and promote 3rd party sites in the description.
Prime example of a clickbait.

and in light of your above statment

I think you misunderstood. I only commented on the video itself, not this thread and the OP.

Perhaps you should post comments on the actual youtube vid comments section

 

[Smanci]

Your Post #7 comes across as an attack on the OP as i read it

Not a big surprise if you take it out of context. If I first call the video a clickbait and continue to elaborate, there's really no reason the get offended.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

The video confirms what i have always suspected. In a way its no different than supporting your favourite football team even if they dont perform as you wish.


Ive stuck with AMD almost exclusively, I am no fanboy...i buy on price vs performance.

5750
5770
6850
6950
6970
7970

i did buy a GTX 680 but only because it was half price and then i replaced it with 7970 which is a better card in my opinion.

 

[the54thvoid]

There's far more to the GPU state of affairs than a blogger can inform on. I think it's very wrong to use a single blogger to make the call.
There are some who stick with a brand, just because it's worked for them or its all they know. So even if you're brand falls behind you may well still purchase through an idea of familiarity. Look at Apple as an example.
I left AMD after my 7970's because DX9 crossfire was effectively a hit and miss lie. Went Nvidia and haven't switched back yet. Vega might change that, it might not.

 

[AsRock]

I think he's some what right, when a company has momentum it's pretty hard to fight against.

I think ATI\AMD lost a lot of momentum when the 2900\XT was released, on top of that Bulldozer.

Getting that back is going be a fight, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

 

[JalleR]

It has also something to do with the Laptop and "Standard PC vendors (lenovo, acer, HP(sucks cough cough) ect..." they make a good deal with Nvidia and 80% of the worlds computer is home safe, When i was more of a fan boy (ATI team) i looked a lot of computers in the deferent electronic stores and 99,9% of them had a Nvidia cart in them and it was that way for a lot of years and that is where the big money is just look at the steam survey intel is in top 10 on the Graphics list.... (i have an Acer laptop with the Intel HD4400 and i gaming on it ) but a lot of users don't care, they just buy what is available at the store, that the man tell them is the best buy (not the store )

Right now the CPU from AMD is not grate and the GFX is kind of OK, but if you are one of the big players (lonovo, acer, etc.) and have had a grate deal with Intel and Nvidia why change for a company that CPU wise is not grate and on the GFX side as good at the one you have a good deal with... AMD need to prove them self and that is hard when you cant deliver GFX for the whole segment as a lot of the big vendors want.

 

[Recon-UK]

Guys just sing, have a beer, get laid it's simple.

 

[alucasa]

Why bother. I don't care.

 

[RejZoR]

I think he's some what right, when a company has momentum it's pretty hard to fight against.

I think ATI\AMD lost a lot of momentum when the 2900\XT was released, on top of that Bulldozer.

Getting that back is going be a fight, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Apart from HD5000 and HD7000 series being one of the best graphic cards of all times. HD7000 were so good people still run them even today, like 3 or 4 generations later. I had one just a year ago and I've been playing everything on max at 1080p with it.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Why bother. I don't care.

then why you bother replying to the thread if you 'don't care' ???

On a side note -- why dont you also switch your GTX1060 out for a Matrox because you 'dont care' ???

Dont care to or dont have an opinion? then go away.

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On topic:

I think AMD gets tonnes of money for R&D from investors but the problem is keeping their investors pleased. AMD are capable of making some great graphics cards but these days its pretty tough, AMD cant win the power efficiency medal like Nvidia can so the best AMD can do is price their cards the best they can and pray to god that people buy their stuff.

There are a lot of tech mags & online blogs that are currently recommending the RX480 over the GTX1070 at the moment for some silly reason. when the RX480 is inferior in every way. The 390X comes close to 1070 performance but the price difference is silly and you get more performance & power efficiency for a few quid more that its almost a no brainer.

AMD still need to find a way to break out of the hold that Nvidia have on the market.

 

[RejZoR]

Don't be so sure about that. NVIDIA also had a large share of fat and hot GPU's no one particularly liked apart from die hard fanboys. GeForce FX and GTX 200 series were very meeeeh.

 

[alucasa]

then why you bother replying to the thread if you 'don't care' ???

On a side note -- why dont you also switch your GTX1060 out for a Matrox because you 'dont care' ???

Dont care to or dont have an opinion? then go away.

"I don't care" was my opinion. This thread will burn in flames, so I said "why bother".

And I have 1060 because I need CUDA. I apologize for needing CUDA.

 

[Mr.Scott]

I think AMD gets tonnes of money for R&D from investors but the problem is keeping their investors pleased.

AMD still need to find a way to break out of the hold that Nvidia have on the market.

Not as much as you think.
Nvidia spends 30-50% more and Intel just buries them 100x over.

https://ycharts.com/companies/AMD/r_and_d_expense

 

[Recon-UK]

I'm serious sing with me guys.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0gIxdVVH3vn

End of the day, we can renew entertainment, we dun need AMD or Nvidia lol.