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Isn't that not supposed to upload to the internet but, to share updates already downloaded with other machines on the same network? I thought the idea was to limit how much needed to be downloaded by seeing if someone has it on the local network first.
 

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Yeah its same concept as a torrent works
 

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been mentioned by a few people in the various win 10 rant threads :)
Cost Cutting Update method
Let the General public bare most of the Bandwidth costs of Updating win 10 by microsoft torrenting the updates via the public
 
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sort of reminds me of comcast making their modems enable General public access to home users wifi.
Virgin Media still doing this here in Ireland. They call it “WiFree”. And it’s quite difficult to disable it, took me a couple of months.
 

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Virgin Media still doing this here in Ireland. They call it “WiFree”. And it’s quite difficult to disable it, took me a couple of months.


yeah that's why I don't use a company-provided modem I bought my own and tell them to keep their modem I'm not on Comcast though

Jermaine Microsoft is killing themselves off slow with all this garbage that they're doing I'm sorry to say it but when it was under Bill Gates control things were working pretty well but you know how he is it rather have a foundation try to make himself look better to the world
 

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Considering they strapped patch management down to maintaining with emulating or deploying WSUS traffic, them doing this doesn't surprise me one bit. Though I do think they should give the end-users a more clearly visible option to enable Internet Distributed Patch Sharing rather than enabling that by default.

Not surprised by this. I run WSUS at home, and it works great..especially once the ESD streaming issue is resolved which is fairly easy now. But folks that don't run a home lab, probably aren't going to take the same route I am.

I also wouldn't see as big of an issue here if more folks had higher upload speed provisions, the choice for how updates are distributed and obtained on their systems, and no data caps. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with 60/5 for now in my area for standard Charter cable Internet...so I'm not about to compete with Windows update AND my son uploading his YouTube videos as we compete for WAN-facing bandwidth. Hopefully they'll at least change the defaults to LAN sharing only...hopefully.

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yeah that's why I don't use a company-provided modem I bought my own and tell them to keep their modem I'm not on Comcast though

Jermaine Microsoft is killing themselves off slow with all this garbage that they're doing I'm sorry to say it but when it was under Bill Gates control things were working pretty well but you know how he is it rather have a foundation try to make himself look better to the world

Bill Gates also went overboard during the Vista era and the beginnings of .NET too. If anything, Windows 10 is trying to get back to basics.

Read this... great article. Everyone should read it actually, just for fun (well, "fun" by this site's interests and standards :p). Also the Vanity Fair/Atlantic articles linked in the beginning of this one.

https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7ffb5a1a
 
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But locally, which I'm fine with.
That is actually incorrect. It shares the updates locally yes, but also over the internet to other PC's outside your network. A torrent protocol is a good analogy.

I'd be ok with this, since there is a toggle to turn it off if wanted... However, I have caught this one twice now, turning itself back on after an update. I have also personally seen the "install popular apps from the app store automatically" switch toggle itself back on, and heard people say several others have turned themselves back on. That's totally not cool.
 
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Virgin Media still doing this here in Ireland. They call it “WiFree”. And it’s quite difficult to disable it, took me a couple of months.

Even after setting my Comcast modem in "bridge" mode, the Comcast Wifi is still available. I never bothered to try and log into it, maybe I'll check it tonight.

Sorry... getting OT
 

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I think it's bogus that MS is snooping and Hogging upload bandwidth

This has been in several version of Windows 10 for years now. It doesn't use any upload bandwidth if you are behind a NAT firewall, and it in fact saves download bandwidth if you have multiple Windows 10 computers on the same LAN.

Virgin Media still doing this here in Ireland.

Comcast still does it in the US. It really isn't a big deal, it doesn't affect the customer in any way.

Even after setting my Comcast modem in "bridge" mode, the Comcast Wifi is still available. I never bothered to try and log into it, maybe I'll check it tonight.

That's because the Comcast Hotspot is essentially a completely separate hardware device inside the same gateway case. It has its own cable modem, and its own wifi radio.
 

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That's because the Comcast Hotspot is essentially a completely separate hardware device inside the same gateway case. It has its own cable modem, and its own wifi radio.
Comcast still does it in the US. It really isn't a big deal, it doesn't affect the customer in any way.
except the customer IE THE COMCAST SUBSCRIBER who pays for the power Sipped by Comcast to power this hotspot
while it may not be much in terms of power usage over a year it Mounts up then multiply that by all those comcast Clients
 

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This has been in several version of Windows 10 for years now. It doesn't use any upload bandwidth if you are behind a NAT firewall, and it in fact saves download bandwidth if you have multiple Windows 10 computers on the same LAN.



Comcast still does it in the US. It really isn't a big deal, it doesn't affect the customer in any way.



That's because the Comcast Hotspot is essentially a completely separate hardware device inside the same gateway case. It has its own cable modem, and its own wifi radio.

I don't have a problem with WUD sharing via intranet/ethernet but to have others download from your system via internet seems like a bandwidth hog and security compromise.

The option should remain off.

I guess thats why I'm still on 7...
 

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Because you dont want to toggle a button to disable it when installing windows?

Nah numerous reasons I haven't switched, besides why fix what is not broken?

@Papayooie I wonder if there is a Administrator regedit or gpedit tweak to turn this option off indefinitely.
 
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Nah numerous reasons I haven't switched, besides why fix what is not broken?

As good a reason as any.

It's also why I'm not downgrading to Win 7 myself :D

Personally, I think 10 is in the same likable category as 7. It's always the inbetween versions that suck.

Same theory goes for Mark Wahlberg movies.
 

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except the customer IE THE COMCAST SUBSCRIBER who pays for the power Sipped by Comcast to power this hotspot
while it may not be much in terms of power usage over a year it Mounts up then multiply that by all those comcast Clients

The amount of power used is negligible. The extra hardware uses about 10W of power, which amounts to something like $10 a year in electricity costs.

I don't have a problem with WUD sharing via intranet/ethernet but to have others download from your system via internet seems like a bandwidth hog and security compromise.

Like I said, if your machine is behind a NAT firewall(and it should be) then no one will be downloading anything from you or using any of your bandwidth.
 

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The amount of power used is negligible. The extra hardware uses about 10W of power, which amounts to something like $10 a year in electricity costs.

Overall, Comcast now has 22.3 million video customers, 23.3 million Internet customers, and 11.5 million phone customers. The phone business added 139,000 subscribers in the quarter and 282,000 during the full year. Many of the additions came from existing customers adding a service.3 Feb 2016

And if you cost those figures ( lets be Generous and say 11million customers allow Comcast to sip power)
is that small change over a year ????
 
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Considering the number is a lot smaller than that... as it has to be phone customers which use their own modem... which ill bet is not a very high percent of total users...

Still i get your point... as much of a reach it is to make a few watts an issue. :)
 

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The amount of power used is negligible. The extra hardware uses about 10W of power, which amounts to something like $10 a year in electricity costs.



Like I said, if your machine is behind a NAT firewall(and it should be) then no one will be downloading anything from you or using any of your bandwidth.

you don't think Microsoft will use a common Port that is open do you on a Nat
 
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isnt this the option? if so it can be disabled from within windows ,after installation.personally i uncheck ALL boxes when intalling Win, but this somehow got turned back on, maybe in the recent FCU


notice the 2nd option has "internet" added , i dont want ANYONE DL'ing updates from My PC/PC's or network.

this function/option has "vulnerability" written all over it IMO...i cant say how, but if there was a way for a hacker to exploit a system/systems, this seems like it would eb a likely starting point.

 
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