2700X boosting beyond 4.3GHz on its own?

Darmok N Jalad · Dec 4, 2019

Is this normal behavior for the 2700X? I'm not overclocking at all, but HWMonitor is showing it boosting to 4.5GHz? CPU should only be hitting 4.35GHz, right? Not complaining, but I didn't expect this behavior on the previous Zen generation. Or am I just dealing with a bug in the software?

Kursah · Dec 4, 2019

I use HWinfo64 over HWMonitor for my system. Every once it a while it too reports false positives. But most of the time I see a peak of 4.35GHz on all cores recorded.

Maybe you have a chip that's better than average tho? My chip is extra average, can't really complain though it has performed extremely well over the past year I've had it.

Bill_Bright · Dec 4, 2019

Yeah, I prefer HWiNFO64 too - though the sheer amount of information it provides can be overwhelming at first (I recommend checking "sensors only"). You might also try CPU-Z and see what it says.

I agree with Kursah and this could be a small bug in the software. You could send a note to the developers and see what they say. Unless they immediately confirm there is such a bug, I suspect they would ask you reset the BIOS and make sure all your clocks/voltages are at their defaults, then run the monitor again.

HUSKIE · Dec 4, 2019

My 2700 Cpu i just bought today boosting at 5ghz

Deleted member 185158 · Dec 4, 2019

HUSKIE said:
My 2700 Cpu i just bought today boosting at 5ghz

That cpu is not boosting no 5ghz.

Software giving false readings.

4350 is max single core boost.
PBO level 4 (oc) is 4.3ghz.

5ghz, break out LN2

eidairaman1 · Dec 4, 2019

Yex xfr allows boosting as far as it can go dependent on thermals and power delivery/quality of motherboard/cpu.

Deleted member 185158 · Dec 4, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Yex xfr allows boosting as far as it can go dependent on thermals and power delivery/quality of motherboard/cpu.

Even with the best therms, 4350 is top.

Anyone with 2700x can try post 4.4ghz all threads gonna use big voltage. (1.5v)
These chips are no good even on a manual oc past 4.5ghz.

jaggerwild · Dec 4, 2019

ShrimpBrime said:
That cpu is not boosting no 5ghz.

Software giving false readings.

4350 is max single core boost.
PBO level 4 (oc) is 4.3ghz.

5ghz, break out LN2

Was gonna say, I'm a get me one of those! :clap:

eidairaman1 · Dec 4, 2019

ShrimpBrime said:
Even with the best therms, 4350 is top.

Anyone with 2700x can try post 4.4ghz all threads gonna use big voltage. (1.5v)
These chips are no good even on a manual oc past 4.5ghz.

For him xfr is hitting 4.5GHz

HUSKIE · Dec 4, 2019

ShrimpBrime said:
Even with the best therms, 4350 is top.

Anyone with 2700x can try post 4.4ghz all threads gonna use big voltage. (1.5v)
These chips are no good even on a manual oc past 4.5ghz.

Now still false reading? Boosting 4.5ghz and suddenly 4.8ghz. lol

xtreemchaos · Dec 4, 2019

mine gos a little more than 4.350, ive noticed it hiting 4.365 but only for a short time I think 4.400 could be a margin of error.

EarthDog · Dec 4, 2019

HUSKIE said:
Now still false reading? Boosting 4.5ghz and suddenly 4.8ghz. lol

Do you have any other monitoring up or in the task bar? When two run it can mess things up.

Have you verified with another application... like taking a look at CPUz to see if you actually hit those clocks?

But again, as shrimp said, that is almost impossible without extreme cooling to reach those clocks.

mbeeston · Dec 4, 2019

HUSKIE said:
Now still false reading? Boosting 4.5ghz and suddenly 4.8ghz. lol

1.0v per core and 44*c max temp? i'd probly go with "yes".

biffzinker · Dec 4, 2019

Ryzen Master, HWiNFO64, and CPU-Z are the only monitoring programs that accurately report the clock speed for Ryzen.

HWiNFO - Free System Information, Monitoring and Diagnostics

Free Hardware Analysis, Monitoring and Reporting. In-depth Hardware Information, Real-Time System Monitoring, Reporting & more

www.hwinfo.com

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master

sam_86314 · Dec 4, 2019

Darmok N Jalad said:
Is this normal behavior for the 2700X? I'm not overclocking at all, but HWMonitor is showing it boosting to 4.5GHz? CPU should only be hitting 4.35GHz, right? Not complaining, but I didn't expect this behavior on the previous Zen generation. Or am I just dealing with a bug in the software?
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I'm sure it's a glitch with HWMonitor. I have the same thing happen. Sometimes it says my 2600X boosted to 4.7GHz even though the max is 4.25GHz.

I've even had it say that my laptop's CPU used over 1500W at some point...

Deleted member 185158 · Dec 4, 2019

xtreemchaos said:
mine gos a little more than 4.350, ive noticed it hiting 4.365 but only for a short time I think 4.400 could be a margin of error.

I've never seen this HWMonitor, but I'm also using W7 not W10.

Probably something to do with buggy RTC... And one of the reasons I don't use W8/10 for benchmarking.

eidairaman1 · Dec 4, 2019

ShrimpBrime said:
I've never seen this HWMonitor, but I'm also using W7 not W10.

Probably something to do with buggy RTC... And one of the reasons I don't use W8/10 for benchmarking.

Hwmonitor is by cpuid.

Bill_Bright · Dec 4, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Hwmonitor is by cpuid.

And has been around for many years!

Deleted member 185158 · Dec 4, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Hwmonitor is by cpuid.

A quick read for you fellas.

Ryzen Platform Affected by RTC Bias; W8/8.1/10 Not Allowed on Select Benchmarks

Read the full article @ HWBOT

hwbot.org

Basically, the reference clock fluctuates and can cause readings to be taken and displayed in an unfit timely fashion.

This idea comes to my mind because I'm not using W10 on my daily driver (system specs) nor do I wish to lol. The DX12 games I play on the family HTPC instead. Granted at much lower quality, but I can't stand W10 as an operating system for daily use. It's just too loaded with crap I don't even need... or want.

So a lot of my experience with overclocking isn't on the latest and greatest windows operating system. It actually bogs down the hardware potential. But since newer AAA titles will only run on 10, I'll eventually need to conform. (No I don't care that microsoft is dropping support. That doesn't stop me from running wXP.....)

eidairaman1 · Dec 4, 2019

ShrimpBrime said:
A quick read for you fellas.

Ryzen Platform Affected by RTC Bias; W8/8.1/10 Not Allowed on Select Benchmarks

Read the full article @ HWBOT

hwbot.org

Basically, the reference clock fluctuates and can cause readings to be taken and displayed in an unfit timely fashion.

This idea comes to my mind because I'm not using W10 on my daily driver (system specs) nor do I wish to lol. The DX12 games I play on the family HTPC instead. Granted at much lower quality, but I can't stand W10 as an operating system for daily use. It's just too loaded with crap I don't even need... or want.

So a lot of my experience with overclocking isn't on the latest and greatest windows operating system. It actually bogs down the hardware potential. But since newer AAA titles will only run on 10, I'll eventually need to conform. (No I don't care that microsoft is dropping support. That doesn't stop me from running wXP.....)

Trust me w10 gets broken constantly, the UI feels like a regression, it's intrusive. 7 just worked, im goin linux after 7 won't run.

biffzinker · Dec 4, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Trust me w10 gets broken constantly, the UI feels like a regression, it's intrusive. 7 just worked, im goin linux after 7 won't run.

/off topic
Christopher Barnett behind the Youtube channel ExplainingComputers.com is moving to Linux Mint from Windows 7.

Darmok N Jalad · Dec 5, 2019

Problem with Linux is the real lack of monitoring tools, if that is your thing. Also, there are still trips to the command line and the chance of blowing up your install. I’ve done that more than once while trying to get OpenCL drivers installed. Linux isn’t terrible, but it‘s still not all it should be.

And I do think my OP is a bug in HWmonitor. HWiNFO so far has not reported anything past 4.35. I will continue to monitor it and see.

NoJuan999 · Dec 5, 2019

biffzinker said:
Ryzen Master, HWiNFO64, and CPU-Z are the only monitoring programs that accurately report the clock speed for Ryzen.

HWiNFO - Free System Information, Monitoring and Diagnostics

Free Hardware Analysis, Monitoring and Reporting. In-depth Hardware Information, Real-Time System Monitoring, Reporting & more

www.hwinfo.com

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master

biffzinker is correct.
For Ryzen 2000 and 3000 CPU's these are the most accurate monitoring apps.
And as stated above you should only run one monitor app at a time to avoid conflicts.
I have a Ryzen 5 2600 rig (OC'd to 4 GHz) and a Ryzen 7 3700x rig (with PBO enabled) and Ryzen Master and HWinfo (6.15-4020 Beta) are definitely the most accurate CPU frequency/temperature monitoring apps available to date.
CPUz is also a good app for checking CPU voltage.

Redwoodz · Dec 5, 2019

NoJuan999 said:
biffzinker is correct.
For Ryzen 2000 and 3000 CPU's these are the most accurate monitoring apps.
And as stated above you should only run one monitor app at a time to avoid conflicts.
I have a Ryzen 5 2600 rig (OC'd to 4 GHz) and a Ryzen 7 3700x rig (with PBO enabled) and Ryzen Master and HWinfo (6.15-4020 Beta) are definitely the most accurate CPU frequency/temperature monitoring apps available to date.
CPUz is also a good app for checking CPU voltage.

W10 is performing better and better, using the latest build I got this sub today - :respect:

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 @ 5335.09 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[werf15] Validated Dump by REDWOODZPC (2019-12-04 14:00:07) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

Deleted member 185158 · Dec 5, 2019

Redwoodz said:
W10 is performing better and better, using the latest build I got this sub today -

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 @ 5335.09 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[werf15] Validated Dump by REDWOODZPC (2019-12-04 14:00:07) - MB: ASRock X470 Taichi - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

Nice example of why I like W7. You know my figures are true.

W10 is a liar.

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