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3 generations of NVM PCI-E SSD's

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Just added another SSD to my setup and ran benchmarks. I didn't expect this escalation, because the latest is the cheapest and the ... fastest (in all but 2 values)
Good old Intel 750 SSD (full PCI-e card) is not the fastest anymore by a large margin, but still has 1 area faster: 4K-64 Read (not sure what that means!)
Then the TPU awarded Adata Gammix SX7000 has some better values, but not all. I use it for AAA games. Therefor my Windows partition is still on the Intel.
Today I added a Adata SX8200 Pro. Mamma, is it fast.

Should I move my Windows partition to it? Seems the obvious choice as most values are a LOT faster. Comments are welcome!

Anyway, great times for all, and prices are sinking. I paid 180 € for the 1TB Adata Pro. Can't wait to do really intensive stuff on it.

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Sequential speed has little effect in general usage in Windows.
What matters for Windows is the random performance, i.e. 4K, as it works with a lot of smaller files and random data.
There's not much to gain here from the SX8200, unless you write a lot of sequential data to your OS drive.
I would stay with the OS on the Intel drive, unless you're planning on going all M.2.
 
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Thanks @TheLostSwede ! Sequential may be good more for video editing, game loading, searching?
btw, there are 2 values where the Intel wins (edit the original post) 4K Write and 4K-64 Thred Read.

But accesss time Read is halfed by the SX8200....
 

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Sequential may be good more for video editing, game loading, searching?
none of those, i cant think of anything other than iso file copy and backup/restore disk image
 

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Thanks @TheLostSwede ! Sequential may be good more for video editing, game loading, searching?
btw, there are 2 values where the Intel wins (edit the original post) 4K Write and 4K-64 Thred Read.

But accesss time Read is halfed by the SX8200....

Look at the access times though, 0.0something milliseconds...
Compare that to the SX7000 which is 0.1ms.

none of those, i cant think of anything other than iso file copy and backup/restore disk image
Come now, it can be good for large file video editing, especially if you work with 4K files and copy them back and forth between drives.
 

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large file video editing, especially if you work with 4K files and copy them back and forth between drives.
assuming you have two nvme drives that can go that fast, and dont fall into the tlc write hole after 5 seconds

edit: actual _editing_ in applications is light random reads afaik and doesn't benefit from sequential at all?
 
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The SX8200 pro is great for video editing and game load times. Using it as boot drive vs another NVME would see no discernable difference in boot time. The best thing though is that is price. I would just use it as a data drive and if you have 16GB or less of RAM setting it as your paging file.
 
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^that's antoher interesting aspect: paging file. Now it is set to the intel only.

I'm a bit lost, will have to reread carefully reviews to understand these stats.

My main interests are: database access, windows search (text search inside MANY files), large PDF editing, 4K movie creation, and then, er, games. Boot times not a priority.
 
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Thanks @TheLostSwede ! Sequential may be good more for video editing, game loading, searching?
btw, there are 2 values where the Intel wins (edit the original post) 4K Write and 4K-64 Thred Read.

But accesss time Read is halfed by the SX8200....

Are you going to feel an access time difference of .023ms vs .046ms? No. I like having a big epeen too but moving your Windows installation might be too much work for even that.
 
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hunderds of access times every minute maybe does make a difference? A clone and a test will clarify... :)
 
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Although none of your drives are as fast as the newer 1TB WD Black SN750's I recently got (for $150 each :))

you.can.neva.have.too.much.s p p p e e e e ddddd.... me always likes moar speed !

I put my OS on 1 and storage on the other for now, but am considering playing around with some other arrangements later on...
 
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Erixx:

Since you have them, hav you ever tries comparing them for actual things we do every day ? The marketing folks spend there time getting this stuff out there and nerds like us eat it up. But I am much more interested in stuff we do every day.

Looking at typical testing

Windows Startup - The fastest SSD does 17.0 seconds, the worst 20.9 ... in the course of a week, that's 27 seconds a.d that's assuming you boot every day. For me, (monthly reboots) that's about 47 seconds a year. When I sit down, I start up the box, listen to my phone messages, read my text, grab a cuppa .... return those calls. Impact = None.

Compression / Uncompression - One does 49s, one does 32.6 - How many times a year to you uncompress and ISO file. I have one on my HD, uncompressed it once.... used it about 6 - 8 times since.

MP3 Indexing - Never done it but how often does this have to be done and why does the 1.1 second difference matter ?

ISO File copy - I have done that a few times as I said above. But usually from SSD to a Thumb drive. so I wonn't see the 4.2 vs 23.4 second completion difference. But do folks sit and watch the file transfer take place ? Or do we multi-task and do something in the interim ?

MS Office Installation - We don't use MS Office but each new machine see's this once in 4 or 5 years. And hen it does, the person is multitasking doing something else.

Anti-Virus - Each box does a full scan while the user is sleeping ... who cares how long it takes ?

ITunes, Chrome, Acrobat - Each differs by 2-3 seconds... again once in 4-5 years.

Photoshop - This one is interesting because we see a significant difference. But the task .... open ten50 megapixel images, crop, move, auto levels, resize to 1024x768, and save for the web ... is this something a typical user would do ?... without actually looking at the images to determine if any other actions were required ?

Gaming - Again best to worst = 0.6 in one game to 2.3 in another. Maybe it's my age, but If I keep on playing, I miss the best reward in game ,,, a chance to grab a snack or take a bio.

Now after all that, I'll say we put a fast "pro" level SSD in ever build because we're nerds and most of our users are too. But I feel uneducated on SSD performance impacts on performance impacts in every day use. We'll recommend multiple SSds for folks doing animation, rendering, video edig because there is a real return on investment there. But when asked to build 6 boxes for a small legal firm, what is he real impact of an SSD to the firm ? Granted it's faster.... but will it enable his employees to be more productive ? Does it matter if it boots faster if they are getting their morning cuppa and chatting about GoT while it is ? Will the legal secretary complete typing an extra legal brief each day ? Will the CAD Operator complete the detailing an another construction detail because he has an SSD ? With the gamer complete another level or reach a further save point because they have an SSD ? Yes, the hardware completes tasks faster but as the operator time dwarfs CPU time, are they actually getting things done faster and if so, how significant is it ?

I wish there was a bechmarking keylogger that recording mouse and KB input thru an 8 hour day. Run it as a script, keeping the timing between each keystroke and mouse movement and allow us to see what actual hardware performance impact is. But anyway erixx, if you have the opportunity to explore this avenue, would love to see the results.
 
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Don't forget that PCI-e 4.0 is about to be announced in a mainstream product in just 2 weeks...

I can imagine in a few months time new NVMe SSDs designed for PCI-e 4.0 will blow anything before them out of the water.

Expect 7.5 GB/s sequential speeds and possible increases in all other areas.
Not sure how they'll deal with heat, because I'm quite sure it will consume more than today's best.
 
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Thing that matters is that if it gets stuffed it does not slow down. Otherwise, those drives trade blows. Disable speed step and then do benchmarks.
 
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Thanks a lot all of you! Useful insights, and some fun too :)

I just finished cloning my system to the new drive. Didn't expect much, but I wasn't 100% happy with the snapiness.

Maybe it is all an ilusion, subjective, confirmation hoax, selfdeslusion..... BUT the system actually feels much quicker all over!!! Just opening MS Word is instant again. (Can't figure out what has slowed it down a bit the last months!) Defrag was a thing of the past, rightt!? Seems NOT!!!)

@Ferrum Master : good idea, although I have my system Performance mode, so CPU speed is not going down
 
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I had problems with the dreaded 840 EVO. It slowed down accesing old unused data.

The clone purged your win swap file and pattern. That could be it.
 
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for regular users/gamers 2tb mid-range sata ssd like su800 is a much better choice than high-end 1tb nvme like 970 evo.
you don't need a nvme drive unless you know you're gonna be moving lots of data in and out frequently.
responsiveness and loading times is what counts for the majority and it's where the difference between sata ssd and nvme ssd is fractions.

look at non-synthetic tests,if you took those results and put together a scenario where you start windows,install two games and then launch another one,970 evo would only finish 2 seconds faster than 850/860 pro.



I'd much rather have a 1tb sata mid-range mx500-like drive and another cheap ass 1tb sata for backing it up (low-end would do,it'd only be useful for sequential transfers) than a 1tb nvme backed up to a hdd really. It'd be better from the practical point of view and better price-wise too.
 
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In my experience, having a fast NVMe SSD has been absolutely fantastic for game loads. The (Inland) Phison E12 1TB I bought has been remarkable for loading games such as Mordhau. I am always the first to load in and the load times are under 10 seconds. My discord friends often take a minute or two. Actually, the E12 loads even faster than the 512GB 970 Pro where I initially installed Mordhau. Likewise, GTA V FiveM loads much quicker, which is a game that accesses a lot of small modification files locally when joining a server. My advice is to put the games on the fastest SSD and the Windows Install on a slower but most reliable SSD. Right now I have the OS on the 512 GB 970 Pro, Games on the 1TB Phison E12, and documents on my 1TB Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX. There has been a definite improvement going to a NVMe from the SATA SSD I had before, a Seagate 600 Series 240GB. It has made a big impact on my enjoyment of games, as FiveM took upwards of 2 to 5 minutes on some servers whereas now it takes under 30 seconds to a minute to load. Also, I am running a somewhat unnecessary 20% over-provision on each drive.
 
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