3 x 30Gb OCZ Vertex Raid 0 Array?

[renozi]

until I run into those programs, my pagefile remains off.

 

[Wile E]

until I run into those programs, my pagefile remains off.

Photoshop

 

[Studabaker]

Photoshop

That is the only program I ever ran into that had that problem. But I swear it gave me the option to make it's own pagefile.

 

[Rock God]

I'd like to RAID0 4 of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227396

I've got 2 120GB's in RAID 0

 

[Wile E]

I've got 2 120GB's in RAID 0

Nice. Now send them to me. lol

 

[Rock God]

Nice. Now send them to me. lol

Speed improvement is excellent over my Maxtor 500 7200rpm.

 

[Wile E]

Speed improvement is excellent over my Maxtor 500 7200rpm.

I've been looking at the speeds of these Vertex series drives, and just 1 of them is faster than my 320GB x 2 7200.10 RAID0. I really want one now. lol. But 30GB is just too small. I would want at least 2 120GB drive in a RAID0 to have enough space, but that's just too pricey right now. I'll wait it out a little while longer, for some better pricing.

 

[ruslan120]

No, just no

With the super low seek times, I'd try to leave it on the SSD first. I would compare putting it on a separate drive tho, just in case.

That wouldn't be a very wise move; ssd's have a limited amount of write cycles and you would quickly wear out your ssd. Or, at least MUCH quicker than you normally would have. I'd recommend get plenty of ram (8 gb with ddr2, 12 gb with i7) and sitting back and relaxing Of course, I can't say much; I have 3 gb of ram, gonna put the pagefile on a wd 1 tb for storage.
Oh yeah:
2x 30 GB Vertex (Ordered Saturday, coming in two days )
1 x WD Greendrive 1 TB

But yeah.... NO PAGEFILE ON SSD!

 

[lemonadesoda]

1 x WD Greendrive 1 TB

But yeah.... NO PAGEFILE ON SSD!

1. Be sure you really want the Greendrive http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=90510&highlight=clunk

2. Registry on HD also? How do you do that? If you have plenty of RAM, then the registry is going to hammer the SSD not the pagefile. Or? But with registry and pagefile on HDD, then you probably "lose" much of the "gains" of going to SSD.

 

[ruslan120]

1. Be sure you really want the Greendrive http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=90510&highlight=clunk

2. Registry on HD also? How do you do that? If you have plenty of RAM, then the registry is going to hammer the SSD not the pagefile. Or? But with registry and pagefile on HDD, then you probably "lose" much of the "gains" of going to SSD.

1. Thanks! Although it's kind of too late, I've bought it a while ago. It has clunked but not very loudly and only when parking after a long inactivity.
2. Don't worry about it Just disable your pagefile (and if you need it THAT bad enable it on the hdd) and use your ssd's ORRR since the pagefile is rarely used if you have plenty of RAM then get a nice 8 GB e-sata Flash Drive and stick the pagefile on that. It'll rarely be used and quite speedy! (OCZ Throttle, e-sata)

ANYWAYS (redirecting the thread back to its original purpose) I would recommend two vertex's in raid 0, three if you have the funds. For my personal uses two is overkill (gaming, video editing) but it's VERY nice to have such speedy storage, fast bootup and shutdown times, game loads, and everything in general (500 MB/s )

 

[ruslan120]

OCZ Forums:
"Using a page file will result in extra write operations. Writing a lot of data will degrade the performance of your drive. It will also shorten the lifespan of the drive. That's why you should avoid completely useless writes.

The page file shouldn't be used during normal operation as long as there are some free memory available. Some Windows version thinks otherwise and would gladly page any memory whenever it feels like it. That's what this discussion is all about.

Disabling it will not harm your system. If you do disable it, make sure you save critical changes often. If you don't encounter any problems after a week or possibly a month, keep it disabled. Else, re-enable it. "

 

[EviLZeD]

I have my pagefile disabled no issues at all all my apps and games run fine including photoshop. But i do beleive if you leave some of these processes running (superfetch, indexing, pagefile, system restore) it may degrade ssd lifespan but they should still last 3+ years surely

 

[Studabaker]

I have my pagefile disabled no issues at all all my apps and games run fine including photoshop. But i do beleive if you leave some of these processes running (superfetch, indexing, pagefile, system restore) it may degrade ssd lifespan but they should still last 3+ years surely

Yeah actually SSDs have a 1,000,000+ hour MBTF which is years and years and years of use...

 

[Mussels]

people always confuse that. on a HDD, if a sector goes bad, its the end of the drive. the whole thing soon follows.

With SSD, if one cell goes bad... big whoop, its blacklisted and the data goes somewhere else.

Even if you abuse the hell out of an SSD, the usable data will get smaller and smaller, but it wont just shut off and eat your data when you reach some magic number of writes.

 

[ruslan120]

Yeah actually SSDs have a 1,000,000+ hour MBTF which is years and years and years of use...

I think you're confusing that with the time before the actual ssd fails, controller, board and all. The mlc cells wear out after about 1,000-10,000 writes. We DO have wear leveling technology as well as other improved techs, but why un-necessarily and untimely kill your ssd?

 

[Studabaker]

I think you're confusing that with the time before the actual ssd fails, controller, board and all. The mlc cells wear out after about 1,000-10,000 writes. We DO have wear leveling technology as well as other improved techs, but why un-necessarily and untimely kill your ssd?

Thanks for the deeper info, I think Mussels cleared things up quite nicely too.

 

[Disparia]

I think you're confusing that with the time before the actual ssd fails, controller, board and all. The mlc cells wear out after about 1,000-10,000 writes. We DO have wear leveling technology as well as other improved techs, but why un-necessarily and untimely kill your ssd?

Three years of life vs five years of life? Doesn't matter to me, as I've already moved on to faster drives after a year

 

[Wile E]

OCZ Forums:
"Using a page file will result in extra write operations. Writing a lot of data will degrade the performance of your drive. It will also shorten the lifespan of the drive. That's why you should avoid completely useless writes.

The page file shouldn't be used during normal operation as long as there are some free memory available. Some Windows version thinks otherwise and would gladly page any memory whenever it feels like it. That's what this discussion is all about.

Disabling it will not harm your system. If you do disable it, make sure you save critical changes often. If you don't encounter any problems after a week or possibly a month, keep it disabled. Else, re-enable it. "

Again, I point to Photoshop, unless that changed in CS4. As of CS3, it still needed a pagefile to run properly, even when I put in 8GB of ram. And another thing some people don't realize, is that even if you disable the pagefile, windows will still cache to disc, whether you like it or not. It's far better to have it enabled, and control the size and placement of it, than it is to try to completely disable it, as Windows will use a temp one when needed, of a size and placement of it's choosing.

I have my pagefile disabled no issues at all all my apps and games run fine including photoshop. But i do beleive if you leave some of these processes running (superfetch, indexing, pagefile, system restore) it may degrade ssd lifespan but they should still last 3+ years surely

What version of Photoshop? As of CS3, it won't run properly without a pagefile. And if it is still running with a pagefile disabled, refer to my text above.

 

[Mussels]

i always set my pagefile to a static 1GB file. its used if its needed, and i dont get temp ones changing size, fragmenting my drive.

 

[ruslan120]

Three years of life vs five years of life? Doesn't matter to me, as I've already moved on to faster drives after a year

Makin' da old man proud :']

About Photoshop, one could make a nice sized RAM Drive. Let's say you have 9 GB RAM. There is NO WAY you'll be using that much unless you, I don't know, run 120 programs at once, so one could make a nice 3 GB RAM drive and stick the pagefile on that. It could be restored on bootup in a matter of seconds (read pagefile off of ram drive at shutdown, write to ssd, at bootup copy to ram drive). But this whole thing is a completely dumb thing. Microsoft should have fixed this YEARS ago, and the same goes for Photoshop; if there is a sufficient amount of RAM there should NEVER be a pagefile, just like in linux where swap is never used unless needed. I know, I know, some apps require gigabytes upon gigabytes of pagefile, swap, or whatever you want to call it, but the OS should only use the pagefile in those cases, not while idling (cough cough vista).