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No, it would be a productivity machine only.
Research APU, might be able to skip the gpu since it is productivity only
 
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Oh, he has an R9 380 in his system; I’ll reuse that.
 
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If you can squeeze this in your budget I would.



If not any 3200 CL16 kit will be fine just stay away from corsair LPX I've had nothing but issues with it on multiple ryzen system.
 
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Is there a reason you are not considering the 9700k? Its within 1% of the 9900k, and considering there is a small clock difference which you can make disappear without effort...

You also get to skim over the monthly articles about HT exploits. Sold me anyway lol
 
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by the way,are you sure it's the cpu that's slowing down excel?
 
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Greetings.
read all the posts and I understand our troubled friend's position of switching to a new PC. Normally I'd say lovely days (when you get to buy new stuff) but for some reason I see a troubled man.
With the games you play, you are good with any CPU. I've moved to a 2700x end of the last year and you'd be surprised what it has to offer. I play games of course but casually like you and with the card you've got 1060, 1080p is your goal considering your monitor capabilities.
Even though, I bought 2700x, I would not recommend buying it. Not that it's a bad chip, contrary but new stuff is out. Not sure what your budget is but I assume you have few hundreds for this.
Seen people saying 9700K, 9900K, etc.
I wouldn't go with one of these because you've already experienced 8700K plus the price for these (gaming chips) knocks my socks off.
3700x is a nice choice for you but what about 3700 without X? You save few bucks and you can go for 470x board. From my stand point Ryzens' are better choice for you. Cause despite gaming (and claims that Intel is better, and it is, but is it worth it considering what you play? And how much better it is? ) Casual games and some work VM's somebody mentioned? 1060 and 60Hz monitor playing 1080p? How can you lose with purchasing Ryzen? I simply can't see it.
My recommendation is Ryzen 3700 or 3700x with 470x board. Besides, it would be a good experience for you switching to something different and see how it goes. :) You will not be disappointed I can vouch for that. More cores will be useful within a year time or even less. I can see I5 necessity to be pushed to 5Ghz to keep up with FPS minimums. Don't go that way bro.
Also you better hurry with the purchase since RAM is quite cheap now but what I've read this may change this year due to upcoming shortages.
 
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there is no 3700 non-x
 
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3700X grab a B450 board save a ton of money grab a decent mid range cooler and be done with it.

If he doesnt need latest greatest then as others have said 2600 on a B450 will suffice.

Considering AMD's chips with XFR / PBO pretty much push the chips as far as they can go anyway. You dont need an extreme VRM setup with either option. If you slot in a down draft style cooler something like the Be quiet Dark Rock TF it will cool the VRM as well while providing adequate CPU cooling. But again depends on the usage scenario. Going with a 2600+B450 you can easily use a generic cooler and be fine.
 
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Core-i5-9400F with a B360 motherboard for you father, and keep the 8700K?
 
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Core-i5-9400F with a B360 motherboard for you father, and keep the 8700K?
yup,most office type work will prioritize ipc.9400f single core boost is 4.1ghz so it matches ryzen 3000 at 4.1ghz
I'd still get the 3600 if money's no object,though this 9400f looks like a great bang for the buck option for home office work.
 
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yup,most office type work will prioritize ipc.9400f single core boost is 4.1ghz so it matches ryzen 3000 at 4.1ghz
I'd still get the 3600 if money's no object,though this 9400f looks like a great bang for the buck option for home office work.
As a matter of fact Ryzens IPC is higher. That of course depends on the software you are using. I honestly wouldn't buy I5. I'd go for more cores and threads since more and more are going to be utilized for sure.
 
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As a matter of fact Ryzens IPC is higher. That of course depends on the software you are using. I honestly wouldn't buy I5. I'd go for more cores and threads since more and more are going to be utilized for sure.
hard to measure,but you yourself said it depends on the software.
gaming,office suite,photoshop,premere - look at all those parts of the review.9400f definitely has more pefromance for clock than ryzen 3600 there.
of course ryzen wins in other stuff but that's mostly due to SMT and the fact we've got rendering and deep learning performance thrown into the average score of a low-end cpu that 9400F is.
 
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So I'm sitting here thinking about building a new system, I already have an nVidia GTX 1060 so that saves me some cash in building the system.

I have two systems with parts chosen...

Config #1: Intel 9900K, Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra, and a Corsair Hydro H115i Platinum
Config #2: AMD 3700X and a Gigabyte X570 Gaming X (this config would use the AMD Prism cooler)

Both systems would have 16 GBs of RAM and a Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB SSD.

Of course, if I go by price, I could save myself almost $400 by going with the AMD config but as with everything in life, it's really not that easy.

Here's some background... I play Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 casually, I game casually and I really don't care about extremely high frames per second. I may get back into World of Warcraft at some point but that's a maybe. Hell, I still have two 1080p-class monitors locked at 60Hz. The most I would probably get is a 75Hz Freesync monitor that's again a 1080p-class monitor. Again I don't care about extremely high refresh rates for I'm not into the whole competitive gaming scene. I also like to spin up Hyper-V virtual machines for testing stuff in... just because. Right now I have a Hyper-V VM that I test Windows 10 Fast Builds in just to see what Microsoft is up to.

Yes, I have posted in other threads about how Intel is best for gaming IF you are into highly competitive gaming and you absolutely must have the highest FPS. But again, I'm not the kind of person.

So with all of that said, the question of course is... Do I need an Intel build for my needs or should I save some cash (nearly $400) and go with the AMD build?
I actually think you answered your own question in this, save the money go the AMD.

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hard to measure,but you yourself said it depends on the software.
gaming,office suite,photoshop,premere - look at all those parts of the review.9400f definitely has more pefromance for clock than ryzen 3600 there.
of course ryzen wins in other stuff but that's mostly due to SMT and the fact we've got rendering and deep learning performance thrown into the average score of a low-end cpu that 9400F is.
Well I've seen some measurements with different software cinebench 15 and 20, different sites, they show different stuff. CPUz bench also shows single core perf differently. One bench draw my attention when clocks were locked at 3.5 for both platforms and Ryzen was ahead by quite a margin from Intel.
I keep saying this. Intel's been a kind for so long. Software has been developed under Intel's banner. It means it will work better for Intel and that is how I see it. One soft shows totally something else than the other? That is strange when they are measuring exactly the same thing. Anyway I think the situation is changing and AMD is catching up even if the company doesn't have the soft advantage support Intel does. Some of you may disagree but that's how I see it. Otherwise there is no way to explain different behavior of the benchmarks which are supposedly measure the same thing.
The other aspect is: More cores are going to be needed. You can see it now and this proves my statement that intel's been in the lead and the soft companies were clinging to the master's will and use resources they been given. Now it is different. Intel can't push clocks any higher. (shrinks and such won't help moreover will make the clocks lower and it has been clearly stated by the node production companies etc.) All companies know this and they will look for other ways to improve. This means core utilization if they want to stay competitive. New rules I guess caused not by Intel or AMD but simple physics and limitations we encounter on our ways to improve.
 
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One bench draw my attention when clocks were locked at 3.5 for both platforms and Ryzen was ahead by quite a margin from Intel.
This one?
127641


 
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This one?
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I think that's the one.

and you have this one
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I assume, in the above one 9900k is at stock clock?

Someone suggested 9400F cause of IPC and gaming? Well sure, why not if it is enough but one game shows different things than the other. So what would be the reason for this? is it really IPC or something else?
I'd bet, if you get a game that Intel is normally ahead of AMD and if you have locked the clocks for both, bench the 2 platforms Intel would have won despite the locked clocks. graphs above show it shouldn't and yet it still does. I haven't seen this actually. I wonder if this is, how it would have been.
 
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So I'm sitting here thinking about building a new system, I already have an nVidia GTX 1060 so that saves me some cash in building the system.

I have two systems with parts chosen...

Config #1: Intel 9900K, Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra, and a Corsair Hydro H115i Platinum
Config #2: AMD 3700X and a Gigabyte X570 Gaming X (this config would use the AMD Prism cooler)

Both systems would have 16 GBs of RAM and a Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB SSD.

Of course, if I go by price, I could save myself almost $400 by going with the AMD config but as with everything in life, it's really not that easy.

Here's some background... I play Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 casually, I game casually and I really don't care about extremely high frames per second. I may get back into World of Warcraft at some point but that's a maybe. Hell, I still have two 1080p-class monitors locked at 60Hz. The most I would probably get is a 75Hz Freesync monitor that's again a 1080p-class monitor. Again I don't care about extremely high refresh rates for I'm not into the whole competitive gaming scene. I also like to spin up Hyper-V virtual machines for testing stuff in... just because. Right now I have a Hyper-V VM that I test Windows 10 Fast Builds in just to see what Microsoft is up to.

Yes, I have posted in other threads about how Intel is best for gaming IF you are into highly competitive gaming and you absolutely must have the highest FPS. But again, I'm not the kind of person.

So with all of that said, the question of course is... Do I need an Intel build for my needs or should I save some cash (nearly $400) and go with the AMD build?
Didnt read one post in the thread....

Wondering how this is our choice??? Its your money and you know how they perform... what is this 'brain trust' going to do but get in a pissing contest and muddy the waters??? :p
 
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Well I've seen some measurements with different software cinebench 15 and 20, different sites, they show different stuff. CPUz bench also shows single core perf differently. One bench draw my attention when clocks were locked at 3.5 for both platforms and Ryzen was ahead by quite a margin from Intel.
I keep saying this. Intel's been a kind for so long. Software has been developed under Intel's banner. It means it will work better for Intel and that is how I see it. One soft shows totally something else than the other? That is strange when they are measuring exactly the same thing. Anyway I think the situation is changing and AMD is catching up even if the company doesn't have the soft advantage support Intel does. Some of you may disagree but that's how I see it. Otherwise there is no way to explain different behavior of the benchmarks which are supposedly measure the same thing.
The other aspect is: More cores are going to be needed. You can see it now and this proves my statement that intel's been in the lead and the soft companies were clinging to the master's will and use resources they been given. Now it is different. Intel can't push clocks any higher. (shrinks and such won't help moreover will make the clocks lower and it has been clearly stated by the node production companies etc.) All companies know this and they will look for other ways to improve. This means core utilization if they want to stay competitive. New rules I guess caused not by Intel or AMD but simple physics and limitations we encounter on our ways to improve.
Well that's one rendering benchmark,pretty one dimensional comparing to a whole suite od games,office programs,Photoshop and premere
 
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Well that's one rendering benchmark,pretty one dimensional comparing to a whole suite od games,office programs,Photoshop and premere
I was referring to an IPC not a suite of benchmarks. IPC should be a constant not changing depending on an app you are using.
 
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I was referring to an IPC not a suite of benchmarks. IPC should be a constant not changing depending on an app you are using.
Looks like in most cases except for gaming it's splitting hairs
 
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Looks like in most cases except for gaming it's splitting hairs
I been trying to draw a picture which you refuse to look at. IPC is a constant, it doesn't change.
Anyway.
I'd still go with Ryzen 3700x knowing what the OP will be using it for and it's cheaper than mentioned 9900k.
 
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I been trying to draw a picture which you refuse to look at. IPC is a constant, it doesn't change.
Anyway.
I'd still go with Ryzen 3700x knowing what the OP will be using it for and it's cheaper than mentioned 9900k.
Yeah but single threaded performance is what you should look at,what is an ipc benchmark
 
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