3700X vs 9900K, that is the question...

[ratirt]

Yeah but single threaded performance is what you should look at,what is an ipc benchmark

Well I thought we have covered that and Ryzens are better with the IPC at the moment. IPC measurement is not certain games benchmark or even suite of games which can be coded and performing better for a top dog being Intel for over a decade. Wouldn't you say?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Well I thought we have covered that and Ryzens are better with the IPC at the moment. IPC measurement is not certain games benchmark or even suite of games which can be coded and performing better for a top dog being Intel for over a decade. Wouldn't you say?

is that what happens ? games and software are coded for intel specifically ?

 

[Slizzo]

Most are compiled exclusively with an Intel based compiler. So, yes, sort of. But many developers are compiling with both in mind now.

 

[EarthDog]

is that what happens ? games and software are coded for intel specifically ?

Id say there are too many other variables to test and figure that out in the first place.

Clock speed is a key component.

 

[trparky]

Most are compiled exclusively with an Intel based compiler. So, yes, sort of. But many developers are compiling with both in mind now.

I thought that most Windows applications are compiled by Microsoft's own C++ compiler included with Microsoft Visual Studio.

 

[Viruzz]

So I'm sitting here thinking about building a new system, I already have an nVidia GTX 1060 so that saves me some cash in building the system.

I have two systems with parts chosen...

Config #1: Intel 9900K, Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra, and a Corsair Hydro H115i Platinum
Config #2: AMD 3700X and a Gigabyte X570 Gaming X (this config would use the AMD Prism cooler)

Both systems would have 16 GBs of RAM and a Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB SSD.

Of course, if I go by price, I could save myself almost $400 by going with the AMD config but as with everything in life, it's really not that easy.

Here's some background... I play Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 casually, I game casually and I really don't care about extremely high frames per second. I may get back into World of Warcraft at some point but that's a maybe. Hell, I still have two 1080p-class monitors locked at 60Hz. The most I would probably get is a 75Hz Freesync monitor that's again a 1080p-class monitor. Again I don't care about extremely high refresh rates for I'm not into the whole competitive gaming scene. I also like to spin up Hyper-V virtual machines for testing stuff in... just because. Right now I have a Hyper-V VM that I test Windows 10 Fast Builds in just to see what Microsoft is up to.

Yes, I have posted in other threads about how Intel is best for gaming IF you are into highly competitive gaming and you absolutely must have the highest FPS. But again, I'm not the kind of person.

So with all of that said, the question of course is... Do I need an Intel build for my needs or should I save some cash (nearly $400) and go with the AMD build?

If you play video games, go look at benchmarks and see how Ryzen is humiliated by 9900K in every resolution. If you need to encode Video go see how Intel with QuickSync is MUCH faster then 3900x cranking all 12 cores and 24 threads compressing video.
Then go read how the whole platform is broken, the 3800x and 3900x wont boost to their advertised speeds, PCIe Gen 4 SSDs perform MUCH better on Intel PCIe Gen 3 platform compared to AMD Gen 4 [which is huge LOL to AMD], people have tons of issues like CPUs stuck at base clocks or window keep the voltage at max when some programs run at background.

 

[cucker tarlson]

If you play video games, go look at benchmarks and see how Ryzen is humiliated by 9900K in every resolution. If you need to encode Video go see how Intel with QuickSync is MUCH faster then 3900x cranking all 12 cores and 24 threads compressing video.
Then go read how the whole platform is broken, the 3800x and 3900x wont boost to their advertised speeds, PCIe Gen 4 SSDs perform MUCH better on Intel PCIe Gen 3 platform compared to AMD Gen 4 [which is huge LOL to AMD], people have tons of issues like CPUs stuck at base clocks or window keep the voltage at max when some programs run at background.

dunno about voltage and boost,that stuff is gonna get ironed out soon,but that SSD speed is a huge blow.those high end drives cost as much as the cpu sometimes.
quicksync is just one of the options,from what I measured nvidia's nvenc is faster than quicksync and will work with every format anyway.

 

[Viruzz]

dunno about voltage and boost,that stuff is gonna get ironed out soon,but that SSD speed is a huge blow.those drives cost as much as the cpu sometimes.

They cost twice more and perform worse, except in synthetic Read benchmark.
I hope AMD fixes this ASAP, i plan on getting 16 Core Ryzen myself, but mostly becuase i want 16 core CPU and i game at 4K so im gpu limited even with my 2080Ti, i just want something new with many cores, not because its faster more like novelty.
Back when AMD released their first 6 core CPUs I think it was 1090T or something like that I got one instead of Intel quad core becuase it was the first 6 core mainstream CPU [it was my last AMD CPU]

 

[cucker tarlson]

They cost twice more and perform worse, except in synthetic Read benchmark.
I hope AMD fixes this ASAP, i plan on getting 16 Core Ryzen myself, but mostly becuase i want 16 core CPU and i game at 4K so im gpu limited even with my 2080Ti, i just want something new with many cores, not because its faster more like novelty.
Back when AMD released their first 6 core CPUs I think it was 1090T or soemthing like that I got one instead of intel [it was my last AMD CPU]

the thing is,ryzen has had lower nvme performance than intel since ryzen 1000.dunno if this is ever gonna change.look at anvil suite score,20% difference

AMD Ryzen SSD Storage Performance Preview

We provide an early look at AMD Ryzen SSD storage performance versus Intel in a range of different early tests.

www.tweaktown.com

even sata ssd's perform way down

AMD Ryzen SSD Storage Performance Preview

We provide an early look at AMD Ryzen SSD storage performance versus Intel in a range of different early tests.

www.tweaktown.com

 

[HenrySomeone]

If you play video games, go look at benchmarks and see how Ryzen is humiliated by 9900K in every resolution. If you need to encode Video go see how Intel with QuickSync is MUCH faster then 3900x cranking all 12 cores and 24 threads compressing video.
Then go read how the whole platform is broken, the 3800x and 3900x wont boost to their advertised speeds, PCIe Gen 4 SSDs perform MUCH better on Intel PCIe Gen 3 platform compared to AMD Gen 4 [which is huge LOL to AMD], people have tons of issues like CPUs stuck at base clocks or window keep the voltage at max when some programs run at background.

Yeah, even if we forget the gaming deficiencies (say for someone who games at 4k or doesn't plan to upgrade past a 60Hz monitor for some reason), their new platform is so full of bugs, it's like a colony And I also feel that some of them aren't going to be fixed at all or they will take so long to do it, that Ice Lake will be out before, which will once again spell big trouble for them

 

[Viruzz]

the thing is,ryzen has had lower nvme performance than intel since ryzen 1000.dunno if this is ever gonna change.look at anvil suite score,20% difference

AMD Ryzen SSD Storage Performance Preview

We provide an early look at AMD Ryzen SSD storage performance versus Intel in a range of different early tests.

www.tweaktown.com

even sata ssd's perform way down

AMD Ryzen SSD Storage Performance Preview

We provide an early look at AMD Ryzen SSD storage performance versus Intel in a range of different early tests.

www.tweaktown.com

This is bad news, look at the results you posted its especially bad in 4K benchmarks the most important ones.
I plan on doing RAID0 MP510, I hope AMD fixes this

 

[cucker tarlson]

This is bad news, look at the results you posted its especially bad in 4K benchmarks the most important ones.
I plan on doing RAID0 MP510, I hope AMD fixes this

yup,random low size gets hit the worst,and that just sucks.

 

[Viruzz]

Yeah, even if we forget the gaming deficiencies (say for someone who games at 4k or doesn't plan to upgrade past a 60Hz monitor for some reason), their new platform is so full of bugs, it's like a colony And I also feel that some of them aren't going to be fixed at all or they will take so long to do it, that Ice Lake will be out before, which will once again spell big trouble for them

If its not going to be fixed is due to Corporate Shills and Fantards, I posted the Boost bag issues with videos from Derbauer [not unknown person] on AMD reddit and tons of people started to defend AMD, the post only has 60% thumbs up.
Some people are enemies from within, instead of pressuring AMD to fix they defend them.

 

[Vario]

AMD Reddit , good luck.

 

[Papahyooie]

If you play video games, go look at benchmarks and see how Ryzen is humiliated by 9900K in every resolution. If you need to encode Video go see how Intel with QuickSync is MUCH faster then 3900x cranking all 12 cores and 24 threads compressing video.
Then go read how the whole platform is broken, the 3800x and 3900x wont boost to their advertised speeds, PCIe Gen 4 SSDs perform MUCH better on Intel PCIe Gen 3 platform compared to AMD Gen 4 [which is huge LOL to AMD], people have tons of issues like CPUs stuck at base clocks or window keep the voltage at max when some programs run at background.

I'm not a fanboy at all, I own both Intel and AMD, and I sure as heck want AMD to fix their issues but.... lolwut?

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, SMT on vs SMT off, vs Intel 9900K

By community request, we present our findings on how the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X performs with SMT disabled. This approach has potential, especially for gaming, because it ensures more physical hardware units are available for each thread, and could also benefit the processor's power management.

www.techpowerup.com

A 3900x performance difference is negligible to a 9900k for a similar price, and a 3600 is 90% the performance of a 9900k at less than half the price.

I fail to see that as humiliation lol.

 

[cucker tarlson]

If its not going to be fixed is due to Corporate Shills and Fantards, I posted the Boost bag issues with videos from Derbauer [not unknown person] on AMD reddit and tons of people started to defend AMD, the post only has 60% thumbs up.
Some people are enemies from within, instead of pressuring AMD to fix they defend them.

that's the biggest ??? moment for me.
don't you wanna see this fixed?

 

[HenrySomeone]

I feel the new 3000 series and X570 chipset are a lot like those candies or cookies from Harry Potter (it's been ages since I saw the movie, so I can't remember the name, but I mean the ones that came in all flavors, and I mean all of them) and for every toffee or mousse (good IPC improvement over Zen+, large cache) we get a couple of vomit and ear-wax tasted ones

that's the biggest ??? moment for me.
don't you wanna see this fixed?

AMD reddit is basically a cult, they don't take facts, arguments or reason

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm not a fanboy at all, I own both Intel and AMD, and I sure as heck want AMD to fix their issues but.... lolwut?

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, SMT on vs SMT off, vs Intel 9900K

By community request, we present our findings on how the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X performs with SMT disabled. This approach has potential, especially for gaming, because it ensures more physical hardware units are available for each thread, and could also benefit the processor's power management.

www.techpowerup.com

A 3900x performance difference is negligible to a 9900k for a similar price, and a 3600 is 90% the performance of a 9900k at less than half the price.

I fail to see that as humiliation lol.

tpu gaming tests aren't the best frankly.

this thing can get crushed by 9600k on occasions,though smt off can help a lot.

yeah,with smt off it looks like humiliate is too big a word.still behind the 9900k and 8700k/9600k even.

 

[vega22]

Lock any open source test to 1 thread at the same speeds and you get a good idea of IPC.

Games are not a good indication as FPS is often linked to latency (cache and ram) as much as as anything when CPU bound. Not to mention GPU drivers....

 

[Space Lynx]

as long as you don't play destiny 2 i would i go with AMD.

 

[EarthDog]

tpu gaming tests aren't the best frankly.

Oh? Do tell..........

 

[cucker tarlson]

Oh? Do tell..........

no mention for testing locations,plain and simple.

 

[EarthDog]

no mention for testing locations,plain and simple.

Really?

Many have integrated benchmarks and is used. That said, I would like a bit more detail, but, that notwithstanding (because it's only relevant for those who want to repeat the tests, the data is more than solid) is one of the best out there.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Really?

Many have integrated benchmarks and is used. That said, I would like a bit more detail, but, that notwithstanding (because it's only relevant for those who want to repeat the tests, the data is more than solid) is one of the best out there.

look at witcher 3 result for that matter.pretty flat,even at 720p,not much difference,just 9% fastest to slowest and fps at well over 200.

now at 1080p but cpu heavy loaction,quite another story,right ?

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - Premiera architektury Zen 2 | PurePC.pl

Test procesora AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - Premiera architektury Zen 2 (strona 52) Premierowy test nowego procesora AMD Ryzen 7 3700X na architekturze Zen 2, który staje do walki z Intel Core i7-8700K i Core i7-9700K. Czy AMD uda się zwyciężyć?

www.purepc.pl

or

look at the performance uplift going to 3733 from 3200 on ryzen

 

[EarthDog]

It's helpful to know, sure...but doesn't Witcher 3 have an integrated benchmark? I don't run it...
EDIT: It does not...

I also thought he has it listed somewhere... just not in the review? I agree a section in each GPU review listing the testing settings would be helpful.

It also, to me, mind numblingly stupid to benchmark any game at 720p in the first place for the reason of the results you just posted... because it doesn't scale the same and exaggerates a difference not found at higher resolutions.

Regardless of what area... nobody is going to be happy... you test in the worst area, people bitch. You test in a faster area, people bitch. Reviewers just can't win in the eyes of the couch potato forum users.