• We've upgraded our forums. Please post any issues/requests in this thread.

3850 AGP OC'ing, Vmods, experiences, suggestions, where to buy

Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
At this point I have to agree that it's time to buy a new motherboard with a PCIe x16 slot. The best card you can get now to replace your video card when it finally does go is a HIS HD4670 IceQ and that's around $125. For $125 you can get a 5770 in PCIe (and I recently saw a used 5830 on ebay for that price) and be able to use DX11 which you can't with a 3850/4670. Going forward your system is going to become more and more bottlenecked by that AGP slot because games are going to continue to advance at a faster pace and there will likely be little or no further support for AGP in the future.
 
Last edited:

wahdangun

New Member
Joined
Oct 2, 2008
Messages
1,511 (0.45/day)
Likes
114
Location
indonesia ku tercinta
System Name blacky
Processor amd 5000+ BE @ 3.0 ghz
Motherboard MSI K9NGM
Cooling artic colling frezzer 64
Memory V-GEN 1,5 GB
Video Card(s) ati radeon hd 3850
Storage seagate 250gb
Display(s) compaq 7500
Case simbada sim-x (cheapo chasis)
Audio Device(s) creative x-fi extreme music
Power Supply antec earth watt series
Benchmark Scores hohoho
The VF1000 even comes with VRM cooling so you'll be just fine. I love my 3850 and still use it.
why don't you buy HD 4670 AGP ??? its cooler and perform better :confused:
 
Joined
Apr 16, 2010
Messages
2,883 (1.03/day)
Likes
880
Location
Portugal
System Name _JP_'s Daily Driver
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 1700
Motherboard MSI X370 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 + NM-AM4 + NF-P14r
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZB)(Hynix)
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 280X Gaming
Storage HyperX Savage 240GB + KC300 240GB + 750EVO 500GB
Display(s) LG Flatron W2361V 23'' FHD
Case NOX Blaze
Audio Device(s) ASUS Xonar DX
Power Supply Corsair TX650M
Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 4500
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard (PS/2)
Software Windows 10 x86-64 (1703)
Well, to be honest, besides what you have done, the only other thing I could recommend is a full re-install of the OS with all the drivers properly installed, 1st chipset, 2nd on-board stuff, 3rd Graphics card...
replace the cooler with a after market one or use it until it dies
You can also do this. Use any of the coolers mentioned here that have been said to work. I recommend Zalman's solutions or, if you're short on cash, Arctic Cooling. Also, consider getting a heatsink for the RiAlto chip on the backside of the card (the one that has a pink-ish pad on it, near the AGP connector). That chip gets very hot while gaming and cooling it properly will give your card a longer life-span and will show better results.
Before all that you could just replace the thermal paste on the card's cooler and see if it improves anything. If you don't know how to do it there are several guides in the web, that are very good. Heres one. It applies to CPUs, but is pretty much the same with GPUs.
Consider that nollo might not the funds to upgrade to a whole new system, something that you sure are proposing. Considering nollo is still using an AGP board it's also safe to assume that he's also still using DDR RAM and a Pentium4/D or an Athlon 64. So after all this he would need to upgrade motherboard, CPU and RAM. Also, to take full advantage of today's technology, most good boards come with a EPS12v connector (i.e. 8-pin +12v board connector), something that his PSU might not have, since old boards only used 4-pin. But get this, there aren't that many games that make use of DX11, yet, and AGP is supported by all current games. So while you are right about the performance increase between PCI-e 2.0 and AGP 8x, if the user only wants a solution to his current issue (properly cooling the card), let's just provide that, shall we?
why don't you buy HD 4670 AGP ??? its cooler and perform better :confused:
Not only is it cooler, it also consumes less. As for performance, it's about the same as the HD 3850 AGP up to 1440x900, after that the HD 3850 is better, because of the 256-bit RAM bus length. The HD 4670 also has better support and less performance impact on AAs and AFs up to the mentioned resolution.
Oh and I would be happy to provide any system specs I think there is a easy way to do that right?
Yes, there is. ;) To fill in your System specs, please, click here. Don't forget to select "Yes" on the drop-down selection box right in the beginning of the page.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
Well, to be honest, besides what you have done, the only other thing I could recommend is a full re-install of the OS with all the drivers properly installed, 1st chipset, 2nd on-board stuff, 3rd Graphics card...

You can also do this. Use any of the coolers mentioned here that have been said to work. I recommend Zalman's solutions or, if you're short on cash, Arctic Cooling. Also, consider getting a heatsink for the RiAlto chip on the backside of the card (the one that has a pink-ish pad on it, near the AGP connector). That chip gets very hot while gaming and cooling it properly will give your card a longer life-span and will show better results.
Before all that you could just replace the thermal paste on the card's cooler and see if it improves anything. If you don't know how to do it there are several guides in the web, that are very good. Heres one. It applies to CPUs, but is pretty much the same with GPUs.

Consider that nollo might not the funds to upgrade to a whole new system, something that you sure are proposing. Considering nollo is still using an AGP board it's also safe to assume that he's also still using DDR RAM and a Pentium4/D or an Athlon 64. So after all this he would need to upgrade motherboard, CPU and RAM. Also, to take full advantage of today's technology, most good boards come with a EPS12v connector (i.e. 8-pin +12v board connector), something that his PSU might not have, since old boards only used 4-pin. But get this, there aren't that many games that make use of DX11, yet, and AGP is supported by all current games. So while you are right about the performance increase between PCI-e 2.0 and AGP 8x, if the user only wants a solution to his current issue (properly cooling the card), let's just provide that, shall we?

Not only is it cooler, it also consumes less. As for performance, it's about the same as the HD 3850 AGP up to 1440x900, after that the HD 3850 is better, because of the 256-bit RAM bus length. The HD 4670 also has better support and less performance impact on AAs and AFs up to the mentioned resolution.

Yes, there is. ;) To fill in your System specs, please, click here. Don't forget to select "Yes" on the drop-down selection box right in the beginning of the page.
You can get an 880G motherboard for $60 and 3GB of DDR3 1066 for $35, that's less than the cost of replacing the AGP video card and even the onboard video that comes with 880G won't be that bad in comparison to a 3850 until a cheap PCIe card can be obtained. After my HD4850 died I was using the onboard HD4250 for about 4 months until the HD6870 came out and with all the eye candy turned off, most of my games were still playable though I had to drop down to DX9 mode for those games that had one. It shouldn't take anything more powerful than a 5670 to equal or exceed the performance of an AGP 3850, so the upgrade will easy enough to save up for. Any power connectors needed can be adapted from molex connectors for a few bucks each. The only way a new PSU will be needed is if he's still using something in the 300W range or plans to buy a high end video card, which you make it sound like he can't afford anyway.

Edit: According to AMD, the HD3850 requires a 450W PSU with one additional power connector for the card. A 5670 requires only a 400W PSU and no additional power connector so if he's running a 3850 now, he has a PSU capable of powering a 5670 and possibly even a 5770.
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,069 (2.61/day)
Likes
1,142
System Name Ball Smacker
Processor Intel I7 3770K 4.3ghz 1.15v 24/7 (9) fans and totally silent ahhh!!!
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth P67 1155 TUF Motherboard with Armor Assist Fan
Cooling Pro Meg 79CF 120mm x2 fans, 200mm front intake fan, 200 mm top fan, 120mm rear fan, 140 mm PSU fan
Memory Adata DDR3 1600 case 9 1.5v Overclocked to DDR3 2400+ Case 11 1.65v
Video Card(s) PowerColors Radeon RX 470 Red Devil Core 1390 Memory 7000 (Overclocked Additon) 4gb
Storage Samsung SSD 750 EVO 500GB /2 x 64Gb Western Digital Black Drives 1TB each 10,000 rpm
Display(s) LG Ultra Wide 21.9 2560 x 1080 2k 29 inch Monitor similar to retina display
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Black Brushed Aluminum and steel case
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster Live 24 bit 7.1
Power Supply Corsair 600 watt
Mouse Logitech M315
Keyboard Microsoft Contour
Software Windows 10 Ultimate 64
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
Other than power usage, the 4670 is a sidegrade from a 3850. If you're going to spend the money, it's better to future proof yourself a little. Even if he has to buy a new CPU for the motherboard I suggested, an Athlon II X2 is still cheap and the system will be less CPU bound in games than whatever single core he may be using now further justifying the expense of the upgrade and the CPU, video card, and RAM can be upgraded more in the future as money allows. A lot of people have even had success at unlocking the single core Sempron to dual core, so that may also be an even cheaper possibility. It is highly unlikely that there will ever be a DX 11 card released for AGP that delivers anything close to acceptable performance as a gaming card. There is an HD5450 for PCI, but it's still slower and has less texture memory than the Sparkle 9500GT 1gb card so the DX11 compatibility is basically useless. Both of those cards would be downgrades from a 3850/4670 and cost almost as much. Pouring additional money into a dead end architecture with no increase in performance to justify the money spent makes no sense at this point.

And seriously

http://3btech.net/3btecocospam8.html

$269 for an Athlon II X2 with 2gb DDR3 1066 RAM, 500gb SATA hard drive, and a 550W PSU.
 
Last edited:

nollo

New Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2011
Messages
3 (0.00/day)
Likes
0
System Name Nollo
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo - E7200 @ 2.53GHz
Motherboard ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard
Cooling ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
Memory CORSAIR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Video Card(s) Sapphire AGP8x HD Radeon 3850
Storage Seagate Barracuda 500gb 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb
Case Had it so long i dont recall, but ample cooling, large!
Audio Device(s) Motherboard audio
Power Supply SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-650HT 650W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 P
Software OS? - Windows XP 32-bit
! wow

Wow the suggestions are fantastic! Too be honest this is the first board i join with such fast and knowledgeable responses, I really appreciate this, I was lost and now i feel well equipped with multiple alternatives.

JP is right though I am currently the most strapped for cash as I have ever been in my life haha, working on that of course ~ I do run a 1440 X 900 resolution, and the games I play are hardly new~ just so you all know where im coming from.

It is my plan in the future to work on a entirely new system, I just wanted to get more life out of my current as I just have too many issues to be spending on a new machine ( which in reality would just further my gaming addiction and prevent me pursuing new clients haha!)

I tried a OS reinstall and refreshed all my drivers, felt that overall the machine was running better but the video card problems remained, hence It is the card itself and not driver issue. So with that I am going to approach this by first searching for some cooling options that will work and maybe extend the playing life of the card, and so i can even play games!

This is my Mobo http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-SATA2

I got it thinking one day down the line I would want a PCI-E card, So I am guessing with this Mobo perhaps it broadens my options for perhaps replacing the 3850? ... scratch that I just realized its only a x4 slot, I need x16 correct~ Doh!

If I cant find cheap and effective means to let the 3850 run my current games till it dies, then I will have to go with a replacement card that fits my current system. While the idea to get a cheap new system is a good one, I want to ride this one till I save money to buid a strong system that will last me in the future ( one i will no doubt be utilizing this forum to help put together!)

I posted my system specs up so now you can see what im working with, and my situation. Ill let you all know how it pans out~
 
Last edited:

InnocentCriminal

Resident Grammar Amender
Joined
Feb 21, 2005
Messages
6,477 (1.38/day)
Likes
844
System Name BeeR 6
Processor Intel Core i7 3770K*
Motherboard ASUS Maximus V Gene (1155/Z77)
Cooling Corsair H100i
Memory 16GB Samsung Green 1600MHz DDR3**
Video Card(s) 4GB MSI Gaming X RX480
Storage 256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Display(s) 27" Samsung C27F591FDU
Case Fractal Design Arc Mini
Power Supply Corsair HX750W
Software 64bit Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores *@ 4.6GHz **@ 2133MHz
why don't you buy HD 4670 AGP ??? its cooler and perform better :confused:
Why would I buy a 4670 when I already have a 3850? I don't understand.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Apr 16, 2010
Messages
2,883 (1.03/day)
Likes
880
Location
Portugal
System Name _JP_'s Daily Driver
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 1700
Motherboard MSI X370 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 + NM-AM4 + NF-P14r
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZB)(Hynix)
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 280X Gaming
Storage HyperX Savage 240GB + KC300 240GB + 750EVO 500GB
Display(s) LG Flatron W2361V 23'' FHD
Case NOX Blaze
Audio Device(s) ASUS Xonar DX
Power Supply Corsair TX650M
Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 4500
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard (PS/2)
Software Windows 10 x86-64 (1703)
I got it thinking one day down the line I would want a PCI-E card, So I am guessing with this Mobo perhaps it broadens my options for perhaps replacing the 3850? ... scratch that I just realized its only a x4 slot, I need x16 correct~ Doh!
Take a look at my system specs, for some ideas. ;)
You don't really need a x16, x4 works fine.
 
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
Why woiuld a buy a 4670 when I already have a 3850? I don't understand.
The point he's trying to make is if the 3850 dies, the 4670 is available as a comparable replacement, but at this point your system is maxed out and you're probably looking for something better than just a straight up replacement. AGP performance is not likely to get any better in the future than what you already have so the only way to upgrade is to a new system and like the one I linked to. Entry level systems that can be upgraded later on are cheap enough. Even if you were to buy a HD5670 and install it in the one I linked, the total cost would still be under $350. You can even find Intel i3 systems in that price range, though the cheapest one I found came with only 1gb RAM which would suck for games.
 
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
Take a look at my system specs, for some ideas. ;)
You don't really need a x16, x4 works fine.
He can buy a much better motherboard that supports newer processors for less than you can find that one for. I was considering recommending either that one or the one that supports socket 939 because he can carry over some of his legacy hardware, but socket 775 and 939 are as dead as the what he is upgrading from. Better to go with an AM3, or LGA 1156 motherboard and if I was starting fresh knowing what I know now, I'd go for an LGA 1156 and G6950 or Core i3 with the object of eventually upgrading it to an 800 series i7 since they are less CPU bound in games than Phenoms. LGA1366 motherboards and i7's are just too expensive. I would have paid more for a motherboard and CPU than I paid for my whole system if I had gone that route.
 
Last edited:

InnocentCriminal

Resident Grammar Amender
Joined
Feb 21, 2005
Messages
6,477 (1.38/day)
Likes
844
System Name BeeR 6
Processor Intel Core i7 3770K*
Motherboard ASUS Maximus V Gene (1155/Z77)
Cooling Corsair H100i
Memory 16GB Samsung Green 1600MHz DDR3**
Video Card(s) 4GB MSI Gaming X RX480
Storage 256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Display(s) 27" Samsung C27F591FDU
Case Fractal Design Arc Mini
Power Supply Corsair HX750W
Software 64bit Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores *@ 4.6GHz **@ 2133MHz
The point he's trying to make is if the 3850 dies, the 4670 is available as a comparable replacement, but at this point your system is maxed out and you're probably looking for something better than just a straight up replacement. AGP performance is not likely to get any better in the future than what you already have so the only way to upgrade is to a new system and like the one I linked to. Entry level systems that can be upgraded later on are cheap enough. Even if you were to buy a HD5670 and install it in the one I linked, the total cost would still be under $350. You can even find Intel i3 systems in that price range, though the cheapest one I found came with only 1gb RAM which would suck for games.
I have a completely different rig now. The 3850 is in a back up rig.
 

nollo

New Member
Joined
Jan 8, 2011
Messages
3 (0.00/day)
Likes
0
System Name Nollo
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo - E7200 @ 2.53GHz
Motherboard ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard
Cooling ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
Memory CORSAIR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Video Card(s) Sapphire AGP8x HD Radeon 3850
Storage Seagate Barracuda 500gb 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb
Case Had it so long i dont recall, but ample cooling, large!
Audio Device(s) Motherboard audio
Power Supply SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-650HT 650W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 P
Software OS? - Windows XP 32-bit
JP you suggest that the Radeon HD5770 works on this motherboard? I looked at your specs and we have the same motherboard,audio, i used to have a 80gb also haha but just 2 500 now. Hmm im wondering then if i can upgrade my ram and card similar to your set up without any hitches?
 
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
282 (0.11/day)
Likes
47
Processor AMD Phenom II X4 945
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H
Memory 6gb DDR3-1333
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon HD6870
Storage Seagate 1tb
Display(s) Acer AL2216W
Case Generic
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Ultra LS-550
Wow the suggestions are fantastic! Too be honest this is the first board i join with such fast and knowledgeable responses, I really appreciate this, I was lost and now i feel well equipped with multiple alternatives.

JP is right though I am currently the most strapped for cash as I have ever been in my life haha, working on that of course ~ I do run a 1440 X 900 resolution, and the games I play are hardly new~ just so you all know where im coming from.

It is my plan in the future to work on a entirely new system, I just wanted to get more life out of my current as I just have too many issues to be spending on a new machine ( which in reality would just further my gaming addiction and prevent me pursuing new clients haha!)

I tried a OS reinstall and refreshed all my drivers, felt that overall the machine was running better but the video card problems remained, hence It is the card itself and not driver issue. So with that I am going to approach this by first searching for some cooling options that will work and maybe extend the playing life of the card, and so i can even play games!

This is my Mobo http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-SATA2

I got it thinking one day down the line I would want a PCI-E card, So I am guessing with this Mobo perhaps it broadens my options for perhaps replacing the 3850? ... scratch that I just realized its only a x4 slot, I need x16 correct~ Doh!

If I cant find cheap and effective means to let the 3850 run my current games till it dies, then I will have to go with a replacement card that fits my current system. While the idea to get a cheap new system is a good one, I want to ride this one till I save money to buid a strong system that will last me in the future ( one i will no doubt be utilizing this forum to help put together!)

I posted my system specs up so now you can see what im working with, and my situation. Ill let you all know how it pans out~
Actually, this motherboard was created as a stop gap measure between the AGP and PCIe eras so that users of older systems could carry over some of the parts to their new one. At this point you're better off buying a motherboard that supports newer processors and faster memory than trying to salvage old parts that are going to hold your system back. For a slower video card the difference between x4 and x16 won't seem like much but when you start looking for more power from a higher end card, that x4 is going to be a bottleneck because it only has a fourth the bandwith of a full x16 slot.
 
Joined
Jan 25, 2009
Messages
496 (0.15/day)
Likes
42
System Name The Venerable One
Processor Intel Core i7 980x 3.33GHz
Motherboard EVGA X58 FTW3
Cooling Big Ass fan pointed at the motherboard with the side panel off FTW
Memory 12GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Superclocked X2 in SLI
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256MB SSD/1.5TB HDD internal
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster 2443BWX 24" 1920X1200
Case SK-503 Super Case
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Xtreme Music
Power Supply SeaSonic 1000W Platinum Rated
Software Windows 7 Home SP1 64-bit
Benchmark Scores epic
Not any need to upgrade past HD 3850 for AGP, if you are still using AGP. I still have my HD 3850 AGP, although I didn't need it because of the CPU bottleneck. Would have had same FPS with HD 3650. Went 3850 because I didn't know what the bottleneck would be exactly. My current rig pwns and can play anything, so glad to have it. Now I can't wait to embrace PCI-e 3.0 and another dual GPU setup in a few years. ^^
 

OneMoar

There is Always Moar
Joined
Apr 9, 2010
Messages
7,341 (2.62/day)
Likes
3,953
Location
Rochester area
System Name Kreij Lives On
Processor Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.4Ghz 1.32V
Motherboard ASUS Maximus VI Gene Z87
Cooling Reeven Okeanos Single 140MM Fan +2 SP120 White's
Memory 16GB kingston hyper x @ 2133 @ 11 11 11 32
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 ACX Copper Single fan
Storage 240gb Cruical MX200SSD/WD Blue 1TB
Display(s) Samsung S24D300/HP2071D
Case Custom Full Aluminum By ST.o.CH <3
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply HX 750i
Mouse Roccat KONE
Keyboard Rocatt ISKU with ISKUFX keycaps
Software Windows 10 +startisback
Not any need to upgrade past HD 3850 for AGP, if you are still using AGP. I still have my HD 3850 AGP, although I didn't need it because of the CPU bottleneck. Would have had same FPS with HD 3650. Went 3850 because I didn't know what the bottleneck would be exactly. My current rig pwns and can play anything, so glad to have it. Now I can't wait to embrace PCI-e 3.0 and another dual GPU setup in a few years. ^^
:banghead: no comment ... :laugh:
 
Joined
Jan 25, 2009
Messages
496 (0.15/day)
Likes
42
System Name The Venerable One
Processor Intel Core i7 980x 3.33GHz
Motherboard EVGA X58 FTW3
Cooling Big Ass fan pointed at the motherboard with the side panel off FTW
Memory 12GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Superclocked X2 in SLI
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256MB SSD/1.5TB HDD internal
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster 2443BWX 24" 1920X1200
Case SK-503 Super Case
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Xtreme Music
Power Supply SeaSonic 1000W Platinum Rated
Software Windows 7 Home SP1 64-bit
Benchmark Scores epic
Joined
Apr 16, 2010
Messages
2,883 (1.03/day)
Likes
880
Location
Portugal
System Name _JP_'s Daily Driver
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 1700
Motherboard MSI X370 Gaming Plus
Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 + NM-AM4 + NF-P14r
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZB)(Hynix)
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 280X Gaming
Storage HyperX Savage 240GB + KC300 240GB + 750EVO 500GB
Display(s) LG Flatron W2361V 23'' FHD
Case NOX Blaze
Audio Device(s) ASUS Xonar DX
Power Supply Corsair TX650M
Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 4500
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard (PS/2)
Software Windows 10 x86-64 (1703)
JP you suggest that the Radeon HD5770 works on this motherboard? I looked at your specs and we have the same motherboard,audio, i used to have a 80gb also haha but just 2 500 now. Hmm im wondering then if i can upgrade my ram and card similar to your set up without any hitches?
I'm not suggesting, it really works. The HD5000 series run in these boards without problems, with the latest official BIOS. As for RAM, unless you really need to, 2GB is fine and enough. I just upgraded to 4GB because I got a very very very good deal on the sticks. Before this, I had 2x1GB and it was enough to do it all, considering you are using the same OS as me. Even now with the 3.2GB of ram I never top 1.7GB of used RAM when playing...so there isn't that much need, save your money on that. Also, this board is made to only recognize 2GB of RAM by default. I'm using a modified BIOS so that it can use a 4GB kit, of which only 3.25GB are usable (even in a 64-bit OS) due to chipset limitations.
Ok, we all get it by now that you want nollo to fully upgrade his rig, there's no need to emphasize that in 6 (long and thoroughly explained) posts, we (I, at least) got the idea by the 1st one. Of course an upgrade would be the salvation to most of his issues, but may I remind you:
I am currently the most strapped for cash as I have ever been in my life haha, working on that of course
So, for now, nollo needs a cooler or a replacement card for his current rig. (something very low budget) Ok, AGP's not the best bus anymore, but if it suits nollo, why not? Plus, good PCI-e cards for this board are topped at the GTX 460 or the HD 5770. Anything better than that is just like having a Dodge Viper with bicycle wheels.

(tl: dr) My bottom line, see if you can get something that can cool your card, both core and RiAlto Bridge, or get some cheap PCI-e card. I suggest the HD 5670. Don't touch the rest and raise some cash, THEN buy a whole new system.
 
Joined
Apr 19, 2007
Messages
215 (0.06/day)
Likes
25
Location
Southern Arizona, USA
System Name Home/Work/Home
Processor Dual Xeon 5570 / Core i5-2.6Ghz / Dell Vostro 410 Xeon L5430
Motherboard Lenovo D20 / Dell 4110 / Vostro 410 G33 based
Cooling stock / stock / stock
Memory 12Gb / 4Gb / 4Gb
Video Card(s) 9800GT 512 / HD3000 / 9800GT 512 PCIE
Storage Geez Louise - a whole bunch !
Display(s) CRT Phillips Brilliance 204P
Case EATX / Laptop / Glorious Dell Vostro 410
Audio Device(s) stock / stock / stock
Power Supply stock / stock / stock
Mouse Zowie, is there another?
Keyboard Awesome Dell Natural (by Microsoft)
Software W2K3 Svr / W2K3 Svr
Benchmark Scores Alot / not so much / Working on it
Dialing in the voltage...

I understand the age of this thread - I just wanted to share my latest experience in my own little legacy world.

Over the holiday break I wanted to make one last attempt to squeeze as much juice from my HIS 3850AGP ICEQ3 before giving up for the PCI-E world.

I was not aware of all the success documented here with the voltage mods. Rather I took things a totally different direction - this seems the best place to put these details - they may be useful in the OC efforts of others.

I have tested this theory now on two cards, the HIS and the Sapphire version.

Basically it appears that for a given cooling setup, i.e. a certain maximum loaded temperature, that the GPU has a "sweet spot" voltage and max speed setting at which all is stable.

For the HIS card, I was able to OC the GPU to 796Mhz @ 0.974V with a loaded max temp of 61°C at an ambient temp of 20.5°C.

For the Sapphire card, I was able to OC the GPU to 715Mhz @ 1.134V with a loaded max temp of 74°C.

From the above tests, I believe that HIS had binned their GPUs much more thoroughly given they were factory overclocked to 720Mhz, versus the Sapphire 669Mhz.

Just like with CPUs, GPUs have certain "steppings" which can overclock much better than others. The HIS chip seems to be a higher quality stepping. I will post a photo of the die shortly. The numbers on the HIS die are:

NG7804.00
0812SSY

It is a worthwhile effort to reduce voltage and discover the maximum overclock possible given the obvious power savings and lower loaded temperature that can be achieved. No one in this thread has event tried a lower voltage afaik.
 

Attachments

Last edited:
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
4,335 (1.87/day)
Likes
3,020
Location
Mexico
System Name STEAMBOX | GAMECUBE | EQC (Everyday Quad Core)
Processor i5 4590@3.7Ghz |i7 3770K@4Ghz -|- Athlon 5350@2.52Ghz
Motherboard GA-B85N PHOENIX | Asrock Z77E-ITX | Asus AM1I-A
Cooling Stock | Antec Kuhler 620 | Reeven Vanxie
Memory 2x4GB ADATA XPG 1600Mhz | 2x4GB Kingston 1866Mhz -|- 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix@1920Mhz
Video Card(s) RX 480 Nitro | Sapphire RX 480 w/Accelero Mono Plus | HD 8400 @ 720Mhz (IGP)
Storage LiteON 128GB mSATA+3TB Seagate | Seagate 1TBxSamung 64GB SSD (Intel RST) | Kingston v300 240GB
Display(s) Daewoo 49" 1080p | ASUS PA248Q 1920x1200 IPS
Case Corsair 250D | CoolerMaster Elite 110 | Acteck Fiji
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-660XP2 | Silverstone SFX-450 | 200w mini FLEX PSU
Software Windows 10 64bit
I'm currently playing around with some leftovers I have, one of them being a HIS HD3850 Iceq3 Turbo AGP. I managed to take it to 810/1251 with stock voltages. It can do 824Mhz on the core with zero artifacts but after some minutes of gameplay it locks up so I left it at 810Mhz. Trying to break 12000 points in 3dmark06. :nutkick:
 
Joined
Apr 19, 2007
Messages
215 (0.06/day)
Likes
25
Location
Southern Arizona, USA
System Name Home/Work/Home
Processor Dual Xeon 5570 / Core i5-2.6Ghz / Dell Vostro 410 Xeon L5430
Motherboard Lenovo D20 / Dell 4110 / Vostro 410 G33 based
Cooling stock / stock / stock
Memory 12Gb / 4Gb / 4Gb
Video Card(s) 9800GT 512 / HD3000 / 9800GT 512 PCIE
Storage Geez Louise - a whole bunch !
Display(s) CRT Phillips Brilliance 204P
Case EATX / Laptop / Glorious Dell Vostro 410
Audio Device(s) stock / stock / stock
Power Supply stock / stock / stock
Mouse Zowie, is there another?
Keyboard Awesome Dell Natural (by Microsoft)
Software W2K3 Svr / W2K3 Svr
Benchmark Scores Alot / not so much / Working on it
TRWOV - I had the same problem, its very strange. As if there is some sort of speed limiter above 800Mhz.

My HIS card is rock solid at 796Mhz, but for no apparent reason, just 13Mhz higher and it will hang up (at the same 0.974V) - even when the GPU is less than 63°C max load (Furmark).

Another odd thing, is Furmark runs solid for hours at 810Mhz, but when I run Crysis 2, or NFSMW for a few minutes, the machine will hang. The problem seems to be related to DirectX - not OpenGL.

Now if my room is colder - say around 18°C, I have no problems running 810, 823, or even 836Mhz. So basically, at 0.974V I need to keep the max GPU temp below 60°C - that is a tough call for air cooling.

Did you try to reduce your GPU voltage? Also, your memory speeds may be causing the artifacts - I would drop them first - they have little effect on performance, much less than GPU speed.
 

Attachments

Last edited:
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
4,335 (1.87/day)
Likes
3,020
Location
Mexico
System Name STEAMBOX | GAMECUBE | EQC (Everyday Quad Core)
Processor i5 4590@3.7Ghz |i7 3770K@4Ghz -|- Athlon 5350@2.52Ghz
Motherboard GA-B85N PHOENIX | Asrock Z77E-ITX | Asus AM1I-A
Cooling Stock | Antec Kuhler 620 | Reeven Vanxie
Memory 2x4GB ADATA XPG 1600Mhz | 2x4GB Kingston 1866Mhz -|- 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix@1920Mhz
Video Card(s) RX 480 Nitro | Sapphire RX 480 w/Accelero Mono Plus | HD 8400 @ 720Mhz (IGP)
Storage LiteON 128GB mSATA+3TB Seagate | Seagate 1TBxSamung 64GB SSD (Intel RST) | Kingston v300 240GB
Display(s) Daewoo 49" 1080p | ASUS PA248Q 1920x1200 IPS
Case Corsair 250D | CoolerMaster Elite 110 | Acteck Fiji
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-660XP2 | Silverstone SFX-450 | 200w mini FLEX PSU
Software Windows 10 64bit
Apparently it's some sort of overheat protection as just the GPU locks up (but doesn't crash) and I can still hear the game sounds. I tested with the 3dmark06 demo and it also locks up but the sounds keep playing as normal. I've tested at 810Mhz and haven't got any problems. With 3d06 demo running I get 69C. The fan never goes above 56% for some reason.

Odd thing, I can't set the GPU at anything over 810 until I hit 824. For example, if I set it at 820 GPUZ and CCC report 810. Once I set it at 824 it goes to 824.

For 2D and video acceleration it can do 860 but once a 3D application starts it crashes immediately. Maybe it needs more voltage but I haven't changed it, it's not my thing but I guess I'll give it a go just to see if anything changes. I'll report later tonight.
 
Last edited:

de.das.dude

Pro Indian Modder
Joined
Jun 13, 2010
Messages
8,201 (2.99/day)
Likes
2,389
Location
Pune
System Name la de da... | Samsung NP355V5C-S05IN
Processor FX 8320 | AMD A8-4500
Motherboard ASRock 990FX Extreme 4 | Samsung something something
Cooling CM Hyper 212 EVO push:pull+ 1 panaflow 113CFM + 2 x 120mm NZXTs | Coolermaster Notepal
Memory 2x4GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz CL9 | Samsunng 4GB + 2GB DDR3 1600MHz
Video Card(s) AMD 7790 GHZ edition! | 7670M + 7640G
Storage 1TB WD10EZEX | W.D 500GB Green AADS | Samsung 1TB
Display(s) dell S2240l 1080p IPS 21.5" | Samsung antiglare 15.6"
Case NZXT Guardian 921RB(@home) and Antec ASK4000B U3(Current)
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC892 with THX True Studio | Realtek something
Power Supply Corsair GS600 | 90W Brick, 6 cell 48000mAh battery
Mouse Logitech G400, GOD TIER MOUSE!! LOGitech F310 gamepad!
Keyboard Logitech K200
Software Windows 8.1 x64 | Windows 8.1 x64
Benchmark Scores real men do bench presses not bench marks.
why is the OP banned?
 
Joined
Apr 19, 2007
Messages
215 (0.06/day)
Likes
25
Location
Southern Arizona, USA
System Name Home/Work/Home
Processor Dual Xeon 5570 / Core i5-2.6Ghz / Dell Vostro 410 Xeon L5430
Motherboard Lenovo D20 / Dell 4110 / Vostro 410 G33 based
Cooling stock / stock / stock
Memory 12Gb / 4Gb / 4Gb
Video Card(s) 9800GT 512 / HD3000 / 9800GT 512 PCIE
Storage Geez Louise - a whole bunch !
Display(s) CRT Phillips Brilliance 204P
Case EATX / Laptop / Glorious Dell Vostro 410
Audio Device(s) stock / stock / stock
Power Supply stock / stock / stock
Mouse Zowie, is there another?
Keyboard Awesome Dell Natural (by Microsoft)
Software W2K3 Svr / W2K3 Svr
Benchmark Scores Alot / not so much / Working on it
Yes I hear the sounds too after it hangs. However, the sound does hang eventually as well, once the directx buffer is run out.

69C is still cold, and should not cause a crash - however, there is a particular voltage required for stable operation at 69C and your chosen clock speed.

I have found that for 2D operations, the card will keep running up to 115C at which it will throttle back (pause) and resume operation at 113C.

This overheat behavior has not been seen yet for 3D operation, as it will hang up before it gets that hot when clocks are above 796Mhz.

The speed is a factor of 13.5Mhz increments - half of the clock crystal frequency of 27Mhz.

So your reported speed choices are 796, 810, 823, 836, 849, etc. This is by design.





Apparently it's some sort of overheat protection as just the GPU locks up (but doesn't crash) and I can still hear the game sounds. I tested with the 3dmark06 demo and it also locks up but the sounds keep playing as normal. I've tested at 810Mhz and haven't got any problems. With 3d06 demo running I get 69C. The fan never goes above 56% for some reason.

Odd thing, I can't set the GPU at anything over 810 until I hit 824. For example, if I set it at 820 GPUZ and CCC report 810. Once I set it at 824 it goes to 824.

For 2D and video acceleration it can do 860 but once a 3D application starts it crashes immediately. Maybe it needs more voltage but I haven't changed it, it's not my thing but I guess I'll give it a go just to see if anything changes. I'll report later tonight.
 
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
4,335 (1.87/day)
Likes
3,020
Location
Mexico
System Name STEAMBOX | GAMECUBE | EQC (Everyday Quad Core)
Processor i5 4590@3.7Ghz |i7 3770K@4Ghz -|- Athlon 5350@2.52Ghz
Motherboard GA-B85N PHOENIX | Asrock Z77E-ITX | Asus AM1I-A
Cooling Stock | Antec Kuhler 620 | Reeven Vanxie
Memory 2x4GB ADATA XPG 1600Mhz | 2x4GB Kingston 1866Mhz -|- 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix@1920Mhz
Video Card(s) RX 480 Nitro | Sapphire RX 480 w/Accelero Mono Plus | HD 8400 @ 720Mhz (IGP)
Storage LiteON 128GB mSATA+3TB Seagate | Seagate 1TBxSamung 64GB SSD (Intel RST) | Kingston v300 240GB
Display(s) Daewoo 49" 1080p | ASUS PA248Q 1920x1200 IPS
Case Corsair 250D | CoolerMaster Elite 110 | Acteck Fiji
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-660XP2 | Silverstone SFX-450 | 200w mini FLEX PSU
Software Windows 10 64bit
The speed is a factor of 13.5Mhz increments - half of the clock crystal frequency of 27Mhz.

So your reported speed choices are 796, 810, 823, 836, 849, etc. This is by design.
So that is then :) I thought it might be related to my motherboard.