• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

650VA UPS runs hot

Joined
Oct 21, 2006
Messages
621 (0.10/day)
Location
Oak Ridge, TN
System Name BorgX79
Processor i7-3930k 6/12cores@4.4GHz
Motherboard Sabertoothx79
Cooling Capitan 360
Memory Muhskin DDR3-1866
Video Card(s) Sapphire R480 8GB
Storage Chronos SSD
Display(s) 3x VW266H
Case Ching Mien 600
Audio Device(s) Realtek
Power Supply Cooler Master 1000W Silent Pro
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Rosewill RK-1000
Software Win7x64
I think it's just that much error in the output; it only controls that in averages over a couple of seconds.

I wouldn't run an AC clock off it, lol.
 
Joined
Feb 13, 2018
Messages
159 (0.07/day)
Location
Finland
Processor i7 4770K
Motherboard Asus Z87-Expert
Cooling Noctua NH-U12S, &case fans all controlled by Aquaero 6
Memory 2x8GB TeamGroup Xtreem LV 2133MHz
Video Card(s) Vega 64
Storage Samsung 840 Pro + 2x 5GB WD Red@RAID1
Display(s) Dell U3014
Case Lian Li PC-A71B
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster ZxR, Objective2 (2x), AKG K702&712, Beyerdynamic DT990
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Titanium 650 (+Eaton 5P 1550 as "backup power")
Mouse Logitech G700
Keyboard Logitech G810
How is the voltage conversion done? By just the transformer? If i see the input voltage fluctuate the output voltage changes directly with that as well. So my assumption is that its a simple 'analog' voltage conversion done by the transformer.
"Automatic Voltage Regulator" function is typically done using specific design multi tap transformer.
Normally mains current to load just "goes through" its high/mains voltage side, while low voltage side provides power for keeping battery charged etc.
If mains voltage drops significant amount then load is switched to "higher" tap of mains voltage winding boosting voltage.
Again in case of mains voltage rising it can connect load to lower tap. ("buck" function)

Depending on price level there could be multiple taps for multiple levels of voltage boost/buck without need to switch onto battery power.
Again during blackout or when mains voltage goes too much haywire, UPS disconnects completely from mains and runs that transformer the other way using low voltage side to power high voltage side and load.
You'll recognize those UPSes from scarcity of power semiconductors and actual old fashioned transformer.
Higher end UPSes again can lack such "dumb" transformer and use more complex circuitry with whole rows of power semiconductors. With what might look like transformer being just big inductor to filter high frequency crud/smooth output.

I'm talking about the Input voltage vs Output voltage, this could differ from 232V input to 235V output. It's compensating with at least 3 volts or so. It flutucates greatly as well (the output voltage together with the input voltage). Worst condition i saw was 231V > 235V, which is 4 volts. The amount of Hz also varies from 48 in worst condition to 50Hz at best. Could the UPS be compensating that as well?
Those few volt fluctuations are down to local power grid voltage varying depending on load and even voltage losses caused in wiring of your house.
Also frequency can well vary some depending on quality of local power grid.
Wouldn't expect very accurate measuring of input/output from cheap UPS.
 
Joined
Oct 21, 2006
Messages
621 (0.10/day)
Location
Oak Ridge, TN
System Name BorgX79
Processor i7-3930k 6/12cores@4.4GHz
Motherboard Sabertoothx79
Cooling Capitan 360
Memory Muhskin DDR3-1866
Video Card(s) Sapphire R480 8GB
Storage Chronos SSD
Display(s) 3x VW266H
Case Ching Mien 600
Audio Device(s) Realtek
Power Supply Cooler Master 1000W Silent Pro
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Rosewill RK-1000
Software Win7x64
That level of tech is way out of date, and way too expensive for today.

I'd bet it's a ~150-200kHz PWM power supply, that is regulating the output to a level that approximates a 50-60Hz waveform, and filtering for that output frequency, like a 600W class D amplifier outputting 50-60Hz.

Those are really cheap these days, and the multitapped transformer you describe would be 10x the cost.

Post a pic of the transformer, and that will tell; a 600W 60Hz transformer is about 6"x6"x6"; a 600w 150kHz transformer is half the size of my fist.
A 50-60Hz transformer will be iron, a switcher will be ferrite.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
Starts to beep like crazy once you throw Furmark + CB together on it. I think i need a bigger one here. :D
Your assessment is correct. It's overheating because it's overloaded.
 
Joined
Dec 30, 2010
Messages
2,099 (0.43/day)
I'm not going to screw open my UPS now, but the transformer is'nt that 'big'. Most of the weight of the unit is caused by the battery and not transformer. If there's heat it's caused by the transformer as well.



There's 2x black mass and the rest of the wiring that comes from the transformer.

Your assessment is correct. It's overheating because it's overloaded.

Yes, in a worst case situation it is. But when playing SOME games it's not beeping and well within the 100% load range. Once i start PUBG and in intensive scenes it start to beep.
 
Last edited:
Top