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7800x3d vs 7950x3d vs 9900x vs in the future for gaming.

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Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid,but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.Now it's time for a new built and i don't want to make the same mistake.I know that at this time 7800x3d seems like a very good choice for gaming but what will happen in the future?What are your suggestions?I'am willing to spend the extra money but does it worth it?
 

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I live in the 'here' and the 'now'. I dont have a crystal ball that can tell me what happens in the future.

I do know that the 3D cache on the 7800X3D (which is the greatest gaming CPU right now) will keep me happy for a good few years to come and all i'll need to deal with are GPu upgrades if the 7800XT decides It cant do 1440p@165fps no more.
 
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None, they will all end up about the same in a couple years unless games start taking advantage of AVX512 which I find doubtful.

Out of those 3 the 7800X3D requires the least user intervention both the 7950X3D and the 9900X require W11 and a bunch of stuff to go right to work properly or using thread lasso which is what I do with the 7950X3D to get it to behave.

I'd probably be waiting for Arrow Lake to make a decision there is no guarantee AM5 will get a meaningful upgrade going forward so I would just take what is better at gaming between the 2.
 

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6 cores is the mainstream today and 8 cores are for gamers who have a little more to spend.

I'd get a 7950X3D only if I'd need those extra cores for some workload, for gaming, 7800X3D kicks the most ass.
 
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6 cores is the mainstream today and 8 cores are for gamers who have a little more to spend.

I'd get a 7950X3D only if I'd need those extra cores for some workload, for gaming, 7800X3D kicks the most ass.

I actually had both for a couple weeks and even for gaming like the 7950X3D better but it takes a lot more setup than the 7800X3D does. The 7800X3D kinda just works so for those who don't like jumping through hoops it would be my recommendation.
 

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I actually had both for a couple weeks and even for gaming like the 7950X3D better but it takes a lot more setup than the 7800X3D does. The 7800X3D kinda just works so for those who don't like jumping through hoops it would be my recommendation.
To be honest, I just like things to work, the only tinkering I do is a little RAM overclocking and GPU/VRAM OC. Then it's done until upgrading. :)
 
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To be honest, I just like things to work, the only tinkering I do is a little RAM overclocking and GPU/VRAM OC. Then it's done until upgrading. :)

The first time I dealt with a 7950X3D I thought it was broken around launch and it really put me off AM5 as a personal system. A couple months ago I got two free boards so figured lets give it a go grabbed the 7800X3D first and was a bit underwhelmed by it, a buddy of mine who has the 7950X3D told me a couple steps and it's much better and he was right. Still it's not a plug and play CPU but none of the high core count cpu's are these days so it is what it is I guess.

I also wouldn't buy the 7950X3D thinking it will last longer.....

Still Arrow lake is coming in about 6-8 weeks I would wait I doubt 7800X3D/7950X3D stock will run out anytime soon and the 9000 series prices will probably drop by then so win/win in my book.
 
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The 7950X3D is the most advantageous option among the three, offering superior performance due to its higher core count and advanced architecture, which excels in both gaming and multitasking scenarios. The 7800X3D is also an excellent choice for gaming, particularly with its high cache that enhances frame rates, making it ideal for titles that benefit from lower latency. The 9900X, while still capable, may not keep pace with the latest gaming titles and advancements in technology, particularly as games become more demanding. Thus, for a balance of performance now and future-proofing, the 7950X3D stands out as the best option, with the 7800X3D as a strong contender for gaming-focused builds.
 
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None, they will all end up about the same in a couple years unless games start taking advantage of AVX512 which I find doubtful.

Out of those 3 the 7800X3D requires the least user intervention both the 7950X3D and the 9900X require W11 and a bunch of stuff to go right to work properly or using thread lasso which is what I do with the 7950X3D to get it to behave.

I'd probably be waiting for Arrow Lake to make a decision there is no guarantee AM5 will get a meaningful upgrade going forward so I would just take what is better at gaming between the 2.
I actually had both for a couple weeks and even for gaming like the 7950X3D better but it takes a lot more setup than the 7800X3D does. The 7800X3D kinda just works so for those who don't like jumping through hoops it would be my recommendation.
How hard the setup is?Are there any guides?
 
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The first time I dealt with a 7950X3D I thought it was broken around launch and it really put me off AM5 as a personal system. A couple months ago I got two free boards so figured lets give it a go grabbed the 7800X3D first and was a bit underwhelmed by it, a buddy of mine who has the 7950X3D told me a couple steps and it's much better and he was right. Still it's not a plug and play CPU but none of the high core count cpu's are these days so it is what it is I guess.

I also wouldn't buy the 7950X3D thinking it will last longer.....

Still Arrow lake is coming in about 6-8 weeks I would wait I doubt 7800X3D/7950X3D stock will run out anytime soon and the 9000 series prices will probably drop by then so win/win in my book.
Do you still trust intel?
 
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This one is decent but it's not hard to figure out yourself and fine tune after watching 2-3 videos on it and seeing what CO settings your cpu likes.


Do you still trust intel?

There is enough information out there that somone can make a informed decision with that.

I'm confident enough that I'd go with whatever I thought was better. I like having all the information and actually using the hardware before making a final decision on anything but at the very least I'd like to see them compared if they perfom similar I'd go ryzen if intel is 10-20% ahead I'd go with them.
 
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To be honest, I just like things to work, the only tinkering I do is a little RAM overclocking and GPU/VRAM OC. Then it's done until upgrading. :)
Yeah,you are probably right.
 
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This one is decent but it's not hard to figure out yourself and fine tune after watching 2-3 videos on it and seeing what CO settings your cpu likes.

It's easy even for an idiot like me?:p
 

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Which one is more futureproof for gaming?
Unlike the 7700K, you will be able to upgrade the CPU. Not that you should, but the option is there. The 7800X3D is a great choice, but you will most likely be able to upgrade to Zen6 later on. Maybe it's not as big of a decision as you might think.

What resolution you're using?

What's your GPU budget?

How soon are you buying?
 
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Unlike the 7700K, you will be able to upgrade the CPU. Not that you should, but the option is there. The 7800X3D is a great choice, but you will most likely be able to upgrade to Zen6 later on. Maybe it's not as big of a decision as you might think.

What resolution you're using?

What's your GPU budget?

How soon are you buying?
My monitor is 4k 60hz 24" But i'm willing to play in 2K resolution in demanding games.
My GPU budget is around 550 to 600 euros.If i find an RADEON 7900 GRE in this price will be great but the cheapest here costs 700 euros.
After 870 motherboards and INTEL's next gen release.
 
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The 7950X3D is the most advantageous option among the three, offering superior performance due to its higher core count and advanced architecture, which excels in both gaming and multitasking scenarios. The 7800X3D is also an excellent choice for gaming, particularly with its high cache that enhances frame rates, making it ideal for titles that benefit from lower latency. The 9900X, while still capable, may not keep pace with the latest gaming titles and advancements in technology, particularly as games become more demanding. Thus, for a balance of performance now and future-proofing, the 7950X3D stands out as the best option, with the 7800X3D as a strong contender for gaming-focused builds.
What website did you copy this from? It reads like a press release or AI bot.

anyone who understand the architecture of the 7950x3d will know that the 7800x3d beats it in gaming reviews. There are rumors of a 9000 series x3d but no time frame has been speculated yet. Buying a zen5 setup now will let you upgrade cpus later on thru zen6 (if thats to be believed).
 
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Steve @ HUB has done a couple of videos on this and the takeaway was 6 cores+ is fine for now and a while, L3 cache is having more of an impact than pure core count.

The fact the 5800X3D still does well despite it's age shows that decent single threaded performance, good cache levels vs a 5950X in most gaming scenarios shows the core count isn't a factor for now.

On an unrelated consideration, I think unless consoles start having big core counts, mainstream gaming on the pc isn't going to need/want them. I think we'll need a shift in the use of parallel architecture before a leap in core count becomes a necessity to game well (good fidelity/frame rate)

If you had a 7800X3D and a 4090 my bet would be you'd be needing a 4090 replacement before you'd need a cpu upgrade (or more cores)
 

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What website did you copy this from? It reads like a press release or AI bot.

anyone who understand the architecture of the 7950x3d will know that the 7800x3d beats it in gaming reviews.
While the 7800X3D is currently considered the best gaming CPU, the original question was about future-proofing, and as games become more demanding and require greater processing power, the 7950X3D's higher core count and enhanced features will likely lead to improved performance in multi-threaded applications and intense gaming scenarios, positioning it as a more future-ready option.

Regarding my writing style; I recognize that my non-native English sometimes results in overly complex phrasing. But I'm working to improve this.
 
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While the 7800X3D is currently considered the best gaming CPU, the original question was about future-proofing, and as games become more demanding and require greater processing power, the 7950X3D's higher core count and enhanced features will likely lead to improved performance in multi-threaded applications and intense gaming scenarios, positioning it as a more future-ready option.

Regarding my writing style; I recognize that my non-native English sometimes results in overly complex phrasing. But I'm working to improve this.

We have been hearing that garbage for over a decade now and those CPUs always become obsolete before games can catch up to utilizing those cores. See Phenom II x6, FX-9590, all way to slow despite core counts and even high clocks.

The right answer is invest in what works well now. Mid-range is always the safest bet to stave off buyer's remorse because flagships are overpriced.

For 60Hz monitor really any modern CPU will be absolutely fine, no 3D fancy cache is needed as there will only be wasted money and energy past 60FPS on that monitor. 120+ Hz is a different story.

I'd say something like the Ryzen 7 9700X will be overkill unless you play certain car racing sims which can actually use the threads.
 
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I get not wanting to repeat past experiences, but your experience with the Core i7 7700 had some unique conditions to it.

The first quad core CPUs launched in the mid 2000s, not really all that long after dual core CPUs did. Hex cores existed since 2010, but they stayed on HEDT platforms. On consumer platforms, things stagnated at four cores for a long time.

A large part of the reason was because AMD wasn't competing well with Intel. Once Ryzen launched and Intel realized AMD had suddenly gained a lot of ground, you saw the panic response of the 8th, 9th, and 10th generations consecutively increase core/thread counts, after being stuck on a maximum of 4 cores for seven Core i generations, and the previous two Core 2 generations.

If you graphed this, it would mean the line went flat for nine generations and then up fast over the course of the next three. The result is that the CPUs in the latter generations right before that core/thread count uplift aged the worst. And the Core i7 7700 is precisely the one that was the worst off here.

This is part of why Sandy Bridge, and to an extent, Ivy Bridge and Haswell, aged the best from those times. They weren't immediately before that rapid uplift, and per core performance also slower after Sandy Bridge.

As someone else said, you can't future proof. By time more than 8 cores/16 threads are needed often enough, faster CPUs will exist. The 7950X3D will be hurt by CCD to CCD latency and the fact that only half of it has v-cache may further negate a lot of its benefits for games using many cores. We saw the same thing with the first Core 2 Quads; they weren't monolithic quad core CPUs but were a pair of Core 2 Duos communicating over the slow FSB. This is part of why the early Core i quad core CPUs aged so much better than them.

The 9900X will have a bit of the same problem as it's also multiple CCDs (and worse, it's only six cores per CCD opposed to the other two, which are eight). You might argue that even with a latency penalty, it will outpaces less cores anyway, and that may be true, but how far into the future does this happen? And how much is the uplift from having over 8/16 at that point? And does that happen soon enough to offset less performance in most other games until then?

The Ryzen 9s are multi-threaded productivity first, and it's best to treat them as such in my opinion as opposed to "future proof gaming answers". For games, a Ryzen 7 (especially since the inception of the v-cache models) is almost always a better option since it's cheaper (or maybe a similar cost to the cheapest Ryzen 9) at much better performance. I was confused as to how many people were even needing to ask "5900X or 5800X3D" when the latter launched. It was always obvious to me.

If you want a deeper look, much of gaming will target consoles. Right now, they are 8/16 affairs and this generation will likely last another three or so years. Even if the next consoles bump that up, if this generation is anything to go by, it will be some time before future games need that many. I mean, today a 6/12 is fine for most anything. Developers aren't going to target something if only a minority have it. No, the 7800X3D might not be the fastest thing around in 3 or 4+ years, but nor will the 9900X or 7950X3D either. But none will be slow either.

As someone else said, buy for today with a little bit of reasonable thought put into near tomorrow.
 
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We have been hearing that garbage for over a decade now and those CPUs always become obsolete before games can catch up to utilizing those cores. See Phenom II x6, FX-9590, all way to slow despite core counts and even high clocks.

The right answer is invest in what works well now. Mid-range is always the safest bet to stave off buyer's remorse because flagships are overpriced.

For 60Hz monitor really any modern CPU will be absolutely fine, no 3D fancy cache is needed as there will only be wasted money and energy past 60FPS on that monitor. 120+ Hz is a different story.

I'd say something like the Ryzen 7 9700X will be overkill unless you play certain car racing sims which can actually use the threads.
I won't keep this monitor for ever though.I'll buy something around 120hz in the future but not a 600-700 euros monitor for sure.As for the games i'll play Cities skylines 2,Frostpunk2 and this kind of games the most and racers like Forza Horizon and motorsports,Crew motorfest,Expenditions a mudrunner game.
 
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If you strictly building a rig for gaming
Get the fastest 8 core CPU get the 7800X3D or maybe wait a little more for the 9800X(3D)
The new 9900X looks great based on the base clock, so it might work for you, but generally you better off with a faster GPU than a stronger (more core) CPU.
 
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Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid,but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.Now it's time for a new built and i don't want to make the same mistake.I know that at this time 7800x3d seems like a very good choice for gaming but what will happen in the future?What are your suggestions?I'am willing to spend the extra money but does it worth it?
This is a salient point. 7th gen aged like warm milk. In a couple of years it was an i3; insulting.

For gaming, the 7800X3D will be great for years to come. With the exception of a few rare outliers, the console effect is a good guide. You won't need more threads than 16, and the IPC, clocks, and v-cache give you plenty of breathing room. Even with ray tracing and tech like the swarm engine in Space Marine 2, and PS5 dedicated Oodle Kraken being the CPUs job on PC.
 
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7800X3D. It's better to buy based on what is the best performing now and not a "future-proof", more expensive option. You can pocket the extra funds you save and put it towards a faster upgrade cadence should you feel the need.
 
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If you strictly building a rig for gaming
Get the fastest 8 core CPU get the 7800X3D or maybe wait a little more for the 9800X(3D)
The new 9900X looks great based on the base clock, so it might work for you, but generally you better off with a faster GPU than a stronger (more core) CPU.
What about 7950x or 9950x?As for the 9800x3d it's possible to be released among intel's next gen?
 
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