8 cores cpu

[Bill_Bright]

I would add in addition to this something often overlooked for long term builds is needs often change overtime.

True. It is important to try to plan ahead for future needs. But that again relies on us being able to see the future.

It should be noted that future plans may suggest more [fill in the blank] is needed, but may also suggest less is needed too. A new job may come with a work supplied computer. Or a new job may mean less time available to play games. Or a new kid, spouse etc. may change everything.

But, if one does have some insight as to what's to come and can plan for future needs, best to do so as best as possible.

 

[mb194dc]

Don't bother with a 3D CPU unless you've got a niche use case that'll need it, not if you're gpu bottlenecked or a casual gamer...

Save the money, 9700x will do the same job. Get a better GPU or screen with the extra cash.

 

[Maxiaid]

Don't bother with a 3D CPU unless you've got a niche use case that'll need it, not if you're gpu bottlenecked or a casual gamer...

Save the money, 9700x will do the same job. Get a better GPU or screen with the extra cash.

This is also a sensible take. Issue here is we don't really know what @MightyNerdy93 means by "light gaming". For gaming, the 9800X3D is definitely better. Now if you just play some casual, not very demanding games, and your focus really is in the potential production tasks you plan on doing, a 9700X will provide you with comparable performance at a lower cost. If you really favor those production workloads, I'd even suggest the 9900X which is 12 cores and listed at prices similar to the 7800X3D. It's significantly worse in gaming, but better in production. It all depends on your exact use case.

Primarily for gaming? Go 9800X3D.
Primarily for video editing, etc.? Go 9900X.

how the 9800x3d is dealing with productivity , video editing and streaming as well ?

More than good enough, but there are options with more cores and higher boost clocks specifically designed to favor those purposes.

 

[MightyNerdy93]

This is also a sensible take. Issue here is we don't really know what @MightyNerdy93 means by "light gaming". For gaming, the 9800X3D is definitely better. Now if you just play some casual, not very demanding games, and your focus really is in the potential production tasks you plan on doing, a 9700X will provide you with comparable performance at a lower cost. If you really favor those production workloads, I'd even suggest the 9900X which is 12 cores and listed at prices similar to the 7800X3D. It's significantly worse in gaming, but better in production. It all depends on your exact use case.

Primarily for gaming? Go 9800X3D.
Primarily for video editing, etc.? Go 9900X.



More than good enough, but there are options with more cores and higher boost clocks specifically designed to favor those purposes.

Hey man , when i say light gaming i mean for casual gaming , cs2 , fortnite , some indie games , maybe big AAA here and there (i have also ps5).
and hopefully to get the rtx 5080 , gonna play on 4k oled monitor.

i have couple of questions please :
1. how do i identify if a specific game is a cpu or gpu intensive?
2. so what is really important , clock speed or ipc ?

 

[Maxiaid]

Hey man , when i say light gaming i mean for casual gaming , cs2 , fortnite , some indie games , maybe big AAA here and there (i have also ps5).
and hopefully to get the rtx 5080 , gonna play on 4k oled monitor.

i have couple of questions please :
1. how do i identify if a specific game is a cpu or gpu intensive?
2. so what is really important , clock speed or ipc ?

In that case you don't really need a 9800X3D. But then again, if your budget allows and you plan your rig to last for a whole 10 years, aiming for the best you can buy (without going crazy or paying scalper prices) is your best option.

1. There's no simple way of telling, but as rule of thumb, AAA titles that are meant to be visually stunning but have a limited number of events taxing the game engine (it's single player in a closed, highly predictable environment) are going to be GPU-bound. MMOs have plenty of stuff going on at once and many clients interacting with the scene, so they're usually heavier on the CPU – it's also a highly variable and unpredictable setting, so random CPU usage spikes are very common. Simulation and real-time strategy games go especially heavy on the CPU, even if they're single player. Games made in Unity are known to have CPU shortcomings, but it depends; if it's a 2D platformer you obviously won't have an issue. For your typical multiplayer, round-based game (CS2, Fortnite) frames are usually extremely high even with mid hardware, since it's a closed environment (no open world, only a "room" with close bounds to be rendered) with a limited set of events firing at once.

2. That's a weird question. To begin with, manufacturers don't often disclose IPC as a discrete number, only as an uplift percentage relative to a previous gen. Clock speed means how many cycles the processor completes in 1 second. IPC (instructions per cycle) is how many instructions it can do in 1 cycle. So those are two factors for the same equation, the end result is interdependent. Doing some basic math, let's suppose an IPC of "1" with a 5 GHz clock vs. an IPC of "5" with a 1 GHz clock – both of those are equal to 5,000,000,000 instructions per second, so the performance would be (theoretically) the same. Don't pay too much attention to technical specifics, just go watch reviews/comparisons online for the types of task you want it for.

 

[MightyNerdy93]

In that case you don't really need a 9800X3D. But then again, if your budget allows and you plan your rig to last for a whole 10 years, aiming for the best you can buy (without going crazy or paying scalper prices) is your best option.

1. There's no simple way of telling, but as rule of thumb, AAA titles that are meant to be visually stunning but have a limited number of events taxing the game engine (it's single player in a closed, highly predictable environment) are going to be GPU-bound. MMOs have plenty of stuff going on at once and many clients interacting with the scene, so they're usually heavier on the CPU – it's also a highly variable and unpredictable setting, so random CPU usage spikes are very common. Simulation and real-time strategy games go especially heavy on the CPU, even if they're single player. Games made in Unity are known to have CPU shortcomings, but it depends; if it's a 2D platformer you obviously won't have an issue. For your typical multiplayer, round-based game (CS2, Fortnite) frames are usually extremely high even with mid hardware, since it's a closed environment (no open world, only a "room" with close bounds to be rendered) with a limited set of events firing at once.

2. That's a weird question. To begin with, manufacturers don't often disclose IPC as a discrete number, only as an uplift percentage relative to a previous gen. Clock speed means how many cycles the processor completes in 1 second. IPC (instructions per cycle) is how many instructions it can do in 1 cycle. So those are two factors for the same equation, the end result is interdependent. Doing some basic math, let's suppose an IPC of "1" with a 5 GHz clock vs. an IPC of "5" with a 1 GHz clock – both of those are equal to 5,000,000,000 instructions per second, so the performance would be (theoretically) the same. Don't pay too much attention to technical specifics, just go watch reviews/comparisons online for the types of task you want it for.

so basically , in my opinion i need to decide betwen 9700x or the 9900x
but is that ok if i send you a dm please ?

 

[Maxiaid]

so basically , in my opinion i need to decide betwen 9700x or the 9900x
but is that ok if i send you a dm please ?

Sure, go ahead. I'm happy to help. If it's something general and not too private it's better to discuss it publicly though, so that anyone finding this topic may benefit from the conversation.

 

[freeagent]

9900X is a beast.

8 cores.. yawn

 

[MightyNerdy93]

9900X is a beast.

8 cores.. yawn

you make me go jealous lol

Sure, go ahead. I'm happy to help. If it's something general and not too private it's better to discuss it publicly though, so that anyone finding this topic may benefit from the conversation.

mobo ,
some friend told me that if im not looking for OC any mob will be ok , the most important things for me is at least 2 rear usb-c , at least 2 nvme slots and pcie5 slot
so what's funny is that the asrock x870 rs wifi is in a good price in my country and im thinking to add that to my future build

 

[Outback Bronze]

my budget for a cpu is up to 550$

W1zzards lists the 9950x for $545 and an extra $150 gets you 9950X3D. Both 16 core's to go the distance.

you make me go jealous lol

He will be Jealous of you of either of those 16 core CPU'S

Good luck with your decisions!

 

[Maxiaid]

you make me go jealous lol

I think what he said is too simplistic and misleading, especially if told to someone unfamiliar with the matter. It all depends on the use case. An X3D chip with 8 cores will perform better than 12 regular cores at gaming. Even the R9 9900X3D with 12 cores performs way worse than the R7 9800X3D, for different reasons.

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D establishes AMD as the leader in gaming performance. This Zen 5-based X3D chip is not only fast, it also comes with full support for overclocking. Besides gaming, application performance is considerably improved over the 7800X3D, but that comes at a price.

www.techpowerup.com

As per TPU's own testing, 9800X3D on top with 17.5% better performance than the 9900X. Core count doesn't tell the whole story. But I guess we all like to back our team.

mobo ,
some friend told me that if im not looking for OC any mob will be ok , the most important things for me is at least 2 rear usb-c , at least 2 nvme slots and pcie5 slot
so what's funny is that the asrock x870 rs wifi is in a good price in my country and im thinking to add that to my future build

Practically any motherboard will do the trick, if you want the best value overall go for a B850 with PCIe 5 (which is not nearly as important as you'd think) and the connectivity you're looking for. Almost any board is gonna do 2 rear USB-C these days.

 

[MightyNerdy93]

I think what he said is too simplistic and misleading, especially if told to someone unfamiliar with the matter. It all depends on the use case. An X3D chip with 8 cores will perform better than 12 regular cores at gaming. Even the R9 9900X3D with 12 cores performs way worse than the R7 9800X3D, for different reasons.

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D establishes AMD as the leader in gaming performance. This Zen 5-based X3D chip is not only fast, it also comes with full support for overclocking. Besides gaming, application performance is considerably improved over the 7800X3D, but that comes at a price.

www.techpowerup.com

As per TPU's own testing, 9800X3D on top with 17.5% better performance than the 9900X. Core count doesn't tell the whole story. But I guess we all like to back our team.



Practically any motherboard will do the trick, if you want the best value overall go for a B850 with PCIe 5 (which is not nearly as important as you'd think) and the connectivity you're looking for. Almost any board is gonna do 2 rear USB-C these days.

but if i found x870 (which is top tier mobo) in a 100 shekels (israel's currency) , less the b850 then is a no brainer , no bro ?

 

[Maxiaid]

but if i found x870 (which is top tier mobo) in a 100 shekels (israel's currency) , less the b850 then is a no brainer , no bro ?

I don't know about shekels but if it's cheaper and has what you look for, sure go for it.

 

[A Computer Guy]

but if i found x870 (which is top tier mobo) in a 100 shekels (israel's currency) , less the b850 then is a no brainer , no bro ?

Keep in mind top tier isn't as important as the motherboard having the features you want and PCIe lanes that are usefully arranged for how you want to configure your board with devices. Lane sharing is a particular issue these days that will force you to make tradeoffs in the devices you want to connect (NVMe vs. PCIe).

 

[freeagent]

9800X3D on top with 17.5% better performance than the 9900X.

Yeah maybe.. but those are stock CPUs, and I dont run stock. Also, I don't game at 1080 or 1440, so for me it is not a problem at all.

 

[MightyNerdy93]

Yeah maybe.. but those are stock CPUs, and I dont run stock. Also, I don't game at 1080 or 1440, so for me it is not a problem at all.

you mean that you've done OC ?

 

[freeagent]

you mean that you've done OC ?

Of course.. I don't run anything at stock clocks if I can change it

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