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We all know that not charging above 85% extends battery life and I see it as an 'adaptive charging' option on some devices; but why not all?
 
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We all know that not cherging above 85% extends battery life and I see it as an 'adaptive charging' option on some devices; but why not all?

Good question - perhaps various brands knows it will slow down phone sales, as most people will tend to buy a new phone when the battery has gone bad, thus intentionally don't include the option?

I used it on my s10e as soon as the option came, and im using it on my new s23 aswell.
 
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Using my S7 since 2016, still using original battery, haven't noticed it going bad or drastically draining that fast..
Nowadays using wireless charging up to 100% though.
 
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Maybe the S7 designers got wise and only work the battery to 85%
 

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We all know that not charging above 85% extends battery life and I see it as an 'adaptive charging' option on some devices; but why not all?

My Galaxy A53 phone I have had the "protect battery" feature on since i bought it, except when traveling on a plane/big bus trip, when I needed the extra longevity in case of emergency.

It caps the charging with it at 85% on though. This phone gets 4 years of OS updates and 5 years of security updates, so I just figure I might as well try to protect the battery as much as I can. I think in year 4 and 5 though, since it will be the last year or two of the phones life, I will turn the battery protect feature off, as I plan to upgrade once the 5 years of security updates runs out.

edit: it does seem to work though, because on rare time when i turn it off, i can noticeably tell the battery lasts longer
 
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Have there been any long-term tests with the feature?

My Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro's battery lasted about 10 years (far longer than the phone itself did), but the one in my Galaxy S6 went bad after about 3 years, just after the warranty period ended. Neither of these phones had the 85% limit.
 

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I have been using my phone since 2018, and maximum capacity is down to 83%.. not bad.

I almost want to get a new battery for it.. paying over 1000 bucks for a phone sucks.
 
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Most people wouldn't mind sacrificing a little of the battery's longevity for longer life per charge
Also the 100% battery doesn't indicate the battery is charged to the maximum, it's just a limit set in the software
 

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My OnePlus 9 has night/adaptive charging for whatever percent it starts at to full. Slow charge to keep the life of the battery and after over a year it's still 100% like day one.
 
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perhaps various brands knows it will slow down phone sales, as most people will tend to buy a new phone when the battery has gone bad, thus intentionally don't include the option?
Tada ~ relatively easy this one :toast:
 
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I've been doing this manually on my phone for the vast majority of its 6.5 years and the battery is at 81% so it seems to work. I also slow charge it when I know I'll be stuck in one spot for a while. Dell laptops have had user-definable setting for max battery charge for a decade at least and I set all my office Dells to 85% max. Apple has a smart charge function if you keep your Macbook on wall power most of the time, it'll hold charge at 80% and charge it fully and then drain it down on occasion.
 

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I dont let mine go under 20, and I never fully discharge it. If I need a boost during the day I usually top up to 80 and let it roll.
 

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I almost want to get a new battery for it.. paying over 1000 bucks for a phone sucks.

The good news is there is a vast number of phones below that, and the main differentiator is the cameras on the really expensive ones.
 
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The good news is there is a vast number of phones below that, and the main differentiator is the cameras on the really expensive ones.
This! When even low-end phones can run basically anything without a hitch, I really feel no need to spend more than £200 on one.
 

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That's one of those things that hasn't really been tested properly long-term.
On one side - there is a reason why Apple enables charge cap by default nowadays, and why this option is present on most Android phones as well.
On the other - you have all kinds of rapid charging methods that will degrade your battery much faster than 100% charging or frequent cycling.

Though my Poco F3 still holds charge like new(subjectively) after 3 years of active use. Though, I have a habit of charging it only when it gets below 30% (which is in most cases every other day).
 
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Maybe the S7 designers got wise and only work the battery to 85%
Or it's the slow charging, which keeps the battery in good condition.
 
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I generally go for 80% & try to keep the battery on 20-80% range most of the times.

Theoretically it should double your battery lifecycle.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Battery_Degradation_for_Cell_Life_Assessment.

That's also Apple's recommendation. :) 20%-80% puts the least stress on the battery, increasing it's lifespan. 0%-20% & 80%-100% is just pure stress and should be avoided if possible.

If your phone got Optimized Battery Charging, turn it on. But I would still fully drain/charge your phone once a month. Had a incident where the battery started to drain like crazy but got it fixed by using it till shutdown and then charging to 100% while turned off. Not sure if that was a battery issue or a phone bug.
 

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We all know that not charging above 85% extends battery life and I see it as an 'adaptive charging' option on some devices; but why not all?
My understanding is that your battery slows charging when it's not good for it. So I keep upto 70%.
I quickly go up to 70% and when I see charging rate gets slower, I unplug.

It's like stomach. You can have an extra strawberry cake after a big lunch, but you don't consume it as fast as when you were on an empty stomach. So just put it in your bag and eat it (charge) later.

Just because it can still charge up, doesn't mean it wants to.
 
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I also slow charge it when I know I'll be stuck in one spot for a while.

Or it's the slow charging, which keeps the battery in good condition.

That is where this all started, we had been using slow charge only (capping at 85%), but in less than a year it stared to have charging problems; moved to fast charge (still capping at 85%) and it seems fine again.

Samsung Galaxy A03S
 
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Before purchase of 13 Mini I red Apple's advice about keeping battery between 20-80%, so test it since I bought it - for a year and almost one month. Still 100% battery health, called Maximum Capacity here. It's ofc hard to perfectly obey due to forgetting about phone charging or not being able to charge when hitting 20%, but I'm quite good at it - I break it maybe few times a month and never happened to drain it below 10% or fully charge it. On the other hand afaik these IPhone's 100% aren't that real - it's rather size of capacity every unit needs to offer from the start, so in fact all of their batteries must being somehow bigger than this 100%. Maybe I was lucky to get "bigger 100%" than others and degradation speed will increase as soon as I go below this 100% - I'll come back here in a year or two (if I remember) :D
 
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Just a thought: all these percentages are arbitrary numbers - the phone manufacturer decides what they mean. 100% of what? 85% of what? I imagine it's possible for one battery to last longer while being charged to 100% all the time than another at 85% if the manufacturer decided for that 100% to be a lower value than the other one's 85%.
 
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Funny that you should mention any of this. Let me give a 5000' view of the issue.

Batteries are generally shown with a charging curve. That is to say that your discharged battery isn't at 0% charge, the potential between the terminals is just too low to create the required voltage. Electronics actually work with a voltage regulator, that takes some input value and generally only allows a certain amount through. That is to say you may have a set of 10 serial cells that produce 12 volts, but the regulator onboard provides 11 volts to run the system. That's cool, because as the potential drops those cells go from a potential of 1.2 volts each to 1.1 volts, and at 11 volts your device still runs.
Thus, your battery life, in percentage is usually something like a measurement of the voltage being put out by the battery, against a model of the fall-off between peak and minimum voltage. That is to say 12 volts = 100%, 11.4 volts = 50%, 11.1 volts = 25%, and 10.9 volts = 0%. Notice that's not a linear relationship, because as you get more energy stored in the battery the potential increases, increasing the resistance to charging. This is where that cell charging curve, mentioned above, comes in.


What is "slow charging" then? Old school definition is to limit amperage and have a constant voltage. This means 0-10% is way faster than 90%-100%, but the lower rate decreases heat build-up and formation of solid crystals inside the material which decrease charge capacity. It also decreases heat, lowering the likelihood that that LI-ion cell starts to off-gas and decrease capacity. The 85% thing is a rule-of-thumb, where generally the charge curve at that point is basically so high that you don't have to build that excess heat and can still "fast charge" the cells without damage.

It's kind of funny. Apple, a few years back, touted fast charging as a panacea. That logic made exploding cells a reality for badly designed electronics, and now people are starting to realize that plugging that wall-wart in over night is actually leading to less wear and tear than that expensive fast charger...too bad Apple designs disposable product. Anger aside, it's funny that people are only now realizing this. Lead-acid batteries have this same process...and they've been around for decades (commercially). They've been around for centuries as known commodities.
 

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Swapped the battery myself on my iPhone 8 Plus, the original had 77% of its life left. Bought a third-party battery and now it holds charge again much better, and I usually charge it to 100% if possible.

Personally I find it stupid that changing battery isn't as easy as it was back in the day.
 

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I use it on my S23 Ultra and even now end most days with over 50% remaining.

A very personal thing about it that I wish was different was normalising the 85% capacity 'as' 100% when fully charged with the mode enabled. It really changes nothing, and I can see why they might not want to do that as it would appear to drain faster, but if it was an optional toggle, I'd flip it.
 
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