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Your wrong bro the 8600gts cards will run without the power cable. I didn't makes this up read about it. That cable is there to prevent overvolting of the PCI-e slot during overclocking. If you wish to advise someone to do something to damage there motherboard then thats fine. I own a 8600gts do you? I also have read several articles on this subject and you are wrong. The card draws 71 w but when overclocked there is a chance it can draw too much on the PCI E slot( it can give 75w and no more) without causing damage. Thats why a 8600gts which is basically an overclocked 8600gt has a external power cable.

Yup you are right, unless you are overclocking, it will run without the cable. I know this for sure since I accidently left it off.
 

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Wouldn't a 128bit memory bus not really take too much advantage of 512mb of ram? It'd kinda be like my dad's MSI6200AX 64bit with 256mb of ram, which is silly. If you ask me, Nvidia should drop the 8600gts and make an 8800gs with a 256 bit memory bus for around $220.

No not really, all it means is that the bandwidth therefore memory access is slower but it still has the amount of memory to call upon which especially in DX10 will be very important. IMO I dont think manufacturers would put 512MB on a card if it was pointless. TBH with a DX10 card I cannot see any logic in only having 256MB....it simply is not going to be enuff, you have heard here that the 8600GTS performs quite admirably but once you go to resolutions above 12XX x 10XX it is in slowdown mode, thats partly of course because of the memory bandwidth but it would be immensly aided by extra memory.

You only need to look at comparisons between the 320Mb 8800GTS and the 640Mb....just in DX9 that is not nearly as shader intensive as DX10 is going to be, once you hike up the resolutions and AA/AF the 320 falls well behind where in lower res with limited AA/AF it can even slightly beat the 640MB version.
 

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Your wrong bro the 8600gts cards will run without the power cable. I didn't makes this up read about it. That cable is there to prevent overvolting of the PCI-e slot during overclocking. If you wish to advise someone to do something to damage there motherboard then thats fine. I own a 8600gts do you? I also have read several articles on this subject and you are wrong. The card draws 71 w but when overclocked there is a chance it can draw too much on the PCI E slot( it can give 75w and no more) without causing damage. Thats why a 8600gts which is basically an overclocked 8600gt has a external power cable.
My old ECS KA3 MVP allowed my to set the PCIe 16 slots to give up to 125W each. It just depends on the mobo. 75w is the minimum manufactures need to supply to receive the PCIe seal of approval, but mobo builders can build it to go as high as they want. (Well, within the safe physical limits of the connectors, which is well above 75w, btw.)

EDIT: I wanted to mention that I had to run my old X1800XT on that board for a month without the 6-pin PCIe connector, because I broke mine. I cranked the slot up to 125w, and was still able to clock my card above stock (675/800), by disabling the ATI Hotkey Poller service, and manually setting the voltages and clocks with ATITool.
 
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sheeeeesh!!! wow guys, thanks allot! all of your posts really help allot! i think the best to do is be on the safe side, find out how much W your mobo's PCI-e van deliver without causing undesired effects, and then c whether u are able to voltmod your 8600GT otherwise a 8600GTS would be a better bet if u wanna voltmod.

so basically a 8600GTS is a OC'd 8600GT? so buying a 8600GT (512mb preferably) and voltmodding(is voltmodding even neccecary?seeing that a 8600GTS doesnt need an extra power connector to run if youre not gonna OC it) it and clocking it to a 8600GTS's clock/mem speeds would be exactly the same thing if your PCI-e supplies say 80W+?
 

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If you look on MAX PC's last test results and are buying an 8 series GPU than go with the 8800 series because it almost doubles the framerates over a 8600 gpu for little more.
 

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but where im from the 8800 is double the price of a 8600gts so i could get one run dx10 games and once a few more cards come out upgrade again when needed!!! plus you could always go sli
 
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Your wrong bro the 8600gts cards will run without the power cable. I didn't makes this up read about it. That cable is there to prevent overvolting of the PCI-e slot during overclocking. If you wish to advise someone to do something to damage there motherboard then thats fine. I own a 8600gts do you? I also have read several articles on this subject and you are wrong. The card draws 71 w but when overclocked there is a chance it can draw too much on the PCI E slot( it can give 75w and no more) without causing damage. Thats why a 8600gts which is basically an overclocked 8600gt has a external power cable.


Attempting to pull too much power will not damage the mobo.

I don't really care if it runs without a power cable or not, as thats not my point.

My point is a GPU attempting to pull more current than a mobo can provide will not damage your mobo.

I don't care how many "article" you read, learn how electricity works and get back to me.

My old ECS KA3 MVP allowed my to set the PCIe 16 slots to give up to 125W each. It just depends on the mobo. 75w is the minimum manufactures need to supply to receive the PCIe seal of approval, but mobo builders can build it to go as high as they want. (Well, within the safe physical limits of the connectors, which is well above 75w, btw.)


This is interesting. Did you actually get to set that via Bios? Seems quite odd that a low end vendor like ECS would design an artificial current cap on the pci-e slot thats adjustable.... to the end user.

Or was it just a voltage increase? 75w at (I think the bus runs 3.3v) 3.3v is ~23a, so that would let you choose... 4+v? o_O
 
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If you look on MAX PC's last test results and are buying an 8 series GPU than go with the 8800 series because it almost doubles the framerates over a 8600 gpu for little more.

for a hundred dollars more that is.
 
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My old ECS KA3 MVP allowed my to set the PCIe 16 slots to give up to 125W each. It just depends on the mobo. 75w is the minimum manufactures need to supply to receive the PCIe seal of approval, but mobo builders can build it to go as high as they want. (Well, within the safe physical limits of the connectors, which is well above 75w, btw.)

EDIT: I wanted to mention that I had to run my old X1800XT on that board for a month without the 6-pin PCIe connector, because I broke mine. I cranked the slot up to 125w, and was still able to clock my card above stock (675/800), by disabling the ATI Hotkey Poller service, and manually setting the voltages and clocks with ATITool.

I have a setting on my motherboard that will allow me to set my cpu voltage at 1.8v would you do that .Just because there is a setting doesn't mean it's safe. Also your board may have been designed that way but most are not. As for basic electricity if you force more electricty through any electrical device than it was designed to handle it will fry.
 
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I have a setting on my motherboard that will allow me to set my cpu voltage at 1.8v would you do that .Just because there is a setting doesn't mean it's safe. Also your board may have been designed that way but most are not. As for basic electricity if you force more electricty through any electrical device than it was designed to handle it will fry.

Yes a motor maybe.

These are voltage regulators that are designed to be handling heavy current.

These will first be seeing overheating occur, in not one but multiple. This will first cause your voltage to become unstable.

An unstable voltage will first crash your system.

You would in theory fry them, IF you kept running your system.

But, your system will first shut down or reboot, before you hit this point. Nullifying any "frying" that will be happening, as your GPu will not and cannot pull that much juice while loading windows.

Just claiming "IT WILL FRY!!!" is nonsense, because you don't understand how it frys.

This is why there are multiple guages of wire- 12Ga wire can handle more current than a 18Ga wire.

Ever try to push too much current through a 24ga wire? It melts.

The same happens for any and every electronic device. This is how you over volt a CPU. Voltage raises high enough to jump the gap between transistors, and you short.

Too much wattage will not fry anything, because wattage does not really exist.
 
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He's talking about the pci-e's limited power provisions laid out in the spec, and why external connectors are necessary. lower end GPu's without a power connector could hit a power consumption wall, and have an artifically limited overclock.

It will not, however, fry a motherboard. ;)
 

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Thank allot ppl, I really appreciate all of your input! im gonna buy a 8600GT xxx edition 2morrow (the 8600GTS costs significantly more here in South Africa)
 
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What are the different prices between a 8600gt, 8600gts, and 8800gts320mb?
I really suggest you just save a little more and go with the 8800.
 
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Yes a motor maybe.

These are voltage regulators that are designed to be handling heavy current.

These will first be seeing overheating occur, in not one but multiple. This will first cause your voltage to become unstable.

An unstable voltage will first crash your system.

You would in theory fry them, IF you kept running your system.

But, your system will first shut down or reboot, before you hit this point. Nullifying any "frying" that will be happening, as your GPu will not and cannot pull that much juice while loading windows.

Just claiming "IT WILL FRY!!!" is nonsense, because you don't understand how it frys.

This is why there are multiple guages of wire- 12Ga wire can handle more current than a 18Ga wire.

Ever try to push too much current through a 24ga wire? It melts.

The same happens for any and every electronic device. This is how you over volt a CPU. Voltage raises high enough to jump the gap between transistors, and you short.

Too much wattage will not fry anything, because wattage does not really exist.

Okay well then as my father would say you can't argue with someone who knows hes right good luck with your card and you should visit some other tech pages and post under their forum reviews how wrong they are, some one needs to straighten them out and it seems you are the person for the job. After all they did review the cards, talk to the manufacturers, and while your at it you might want to let MSI know they are wrong aswell because it appears that they don't know how their own card can run and how much power their card can draw. It might take an electrical engineer such as yourself to explanin this. I know after reading your post you sure showed me the light and error of my ways. Your right a pcie slot can pull as much power as needed for any video card that extra power cable is for show. Once again good luck. :D
 

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ok kewl, thanx 4 advise, the thing is that the price diff is quite big... more than 2.5x the 8600GT's price for a 8800. also another possibility is that I can always later SLi 2 cards.
But thanks again!
 
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Okay well then as my father would say you can't argue with someone who knows hes right good luck with your card and you should visit some other tech pages and post under their forum reviews how wrong they are, some one needs to straighten them out and it seems you are the person for the job. After all they did review the cards, talk to the manufacturers, and while your at it you might want to let MSI know they are wrong aswell because it appears that they don't know how their own card can run and how much power their card can draw. It might take an electrical engineer such as yourself to explanin this. I know after reading your post you sure showed me the light and error of my ways. Your right a pcie slot can pull as much power as needed for any video card that extra power cable is for show. Once again good luck. :D

English must not be your first language.

Because you didn't comprehend a single thing I said.

I could try to explain the basics of electricity, but I've thread jacked enough :D
 

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This is interesting. Did you actually get to set that via Bios? Seems quite odd that a low end vendor like ECS would design an artificial current cap on the pci-e slot thats adjustable.... to the end user.

Or was it just a voltage increase? 75w at (I think the bus runs 3.3v) 3.3v is ~23a, so that would let you choose... 4+v? o_O
Yep, set via BIOS. IIRC, it would also let me overvolt the slot by 10%, in addition to the wattage boost. Wattage was independently adjustable for each lane, while the voltage boost effected both lanes.

I have a setting on my motherboard that will allow me to set my cpu voltage at 1.8v would you do that .Just because there is a setting doesn't mean it's safe. Also your board may have been designed that way but most are not. As for basic electricity if you force more electricty through any electrical device than it was designed to handle it will fry.
I ran it at 125w for a month with not a single problem. The 75w rating is an artificial limit, to err on the safe side. Also, just because I set it at 125w, doesn't mean that it was putting out all 125w. That was just it's upper limit.

Before I broke my 6-pin connector, and after I got the replacement 6-pin, I ran the slot @ 100w 24/7 for 9mo.

Again, the 75w rating is just a guideline, it doesn't mean that the components can't handle more. Also, the graphics card itself couldn't give a care less whether the power is coming from the bus, or coming from the 6-pin, so long as it's getting the power it needs.

The ATX guidelines also call for a 75w max on each individual 12v line, but what about those TECs that draw 226w, thru a molex connector?

Exceeding the specs just means that you don't get an ATX stamp of approval, or a PCIe stamp of approval, or etc., etc. You get the point. It doesn't mean that it's not safe.

Nobody ever said these components weren't designed to handle more. By your logic, your Core2 wasn't designed to run at the voltages and speeds you're running it at. It hasn't fried yet, even tho you're exceeding the specs.

Good manufacturers build things beyond needed specs and "detune", so to speak
 
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Kewl! thanks man!
 
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your killing me Wile-E let it go for gosh sakes man
 

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