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You can look at benchmarks running GPU's at stock speeds all you want but what really matters is how they perform when overcloked.

Some cards are intentionally underclocked to show better numbers in benchmarks for a more expensive product.Some cards are clocked a little higher at stock to show better numbers in benchmarks than your rivals card.

This site gave both the GTS and GT a beefy overclock and the results show that both cards are identical with no winner.One wins some and loses some.The other wins some and loses some.Both cards are equal in terms of performance.And the overclock given to both cards is certainly fair as to their OC capability.

Now unless someone else can prove otherwise it just seems to me that the whole world of PC hardware is just wrong about this issue.

http://xtreview.com/review219.htm
 

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The GT has a smaller GPU that consumes less power. Performance wise (benchmarks aside, where the GT clearly wins) I somewhat agree. Plus the GTS has more memory bandwith.

*And please post in the appropriate subforum. Thanks.
 
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This is an actual clock for clock comparison. I ran the 8800GT at 8800GTS 640MB speeds. (core/shader/memory)

GT:


GTS:
 
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Do people still take 3dmark seriously?

Plus at 12x10 with no AA and AF the GTS's bandwitch isnt being utilized.
 
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Why do I have a feeling that you are just going to be on here to giving people a hard time?

I own both these cards, I have overclocked them to their breaking point on air, and the 8800GT blows the GTS 640 away. (GTS = 600/1000; GT=701/1752/1000) I play all my games maxed out at 1680x1050 full AA and AF and the 8800GT still wins.

As for your last sentence in your first post, you just sound arrogant. I dont know if that was your intention or not, but thats how I picked it up. If not, then my apologies.

And yes, people still use 3dmark06 to bench their systems. Its still a great utility to tell you where your system stands in terms of performance with other computers.

Regardless of what card you have, most of us are not going to blow money on buying the full version of any of Futuremark's products just to test a cards bandwidth. Default settings suffice and still tell you where video cards stand.

If you really want to talk about a waste of bandwidth, you got a 17 inch monitor. ;)
 

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id cut a break crash sounds like someones score giot out done and they dont want to bealive their mad expensive card is outdated yet...gamer pride we have all suffered it.
 
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600Mhz on the GTS?I play crysis with 650Mhz core clock and it never crashes so I dont know why you would do such an unfair comparasion.

And waste of bandwitch on a 17"?Well my monitor can do 16x12 at 75Hz you can search it if you want to.

Plus even at 1280x960 with 8xAA it's not a waste.
 
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I saw a benchmark in crysis once of my old 640 GTS close to the clocks I had it at (672/1620/2100). At those speeds it was even with a GT at 730 core. If only nvidia would combine the New cores with the old memory setup. That and add dx10.1 for peace of mind.
 
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600Mhz on the GTS?I play crysis with 650Mhz core clock and it never crashes so I dont know why you would do such an unfair comparasion.

And waste of bandwitch on a 17"?Well my monitor can do 16x12 at 75Hz you can search it if you want to.

Plus even at 1280x960 with 8xAA it's not a waste.
Dude :roll:

My 8800gt sits comfortable at 740Mhz Core, 1850 shader, and 2Ghz Memory and thats a weak OC compared to what most people do with this card. :shadedshu
 
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Dude :roll:

My 8800gt sits comfortable at 740Mhz Core, 1850 shader, and 2Ghz Memory and thats a weak OC compared to what most people do with this card. :shadedshu
No that's NOT a weak OC on stock.

Funny that I used to go to the PC hardware forum in gamespot and nobody most people were sitting at 700Mhz on stock and some went a little hear.A little bit of googling easily supports my point.
 

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id cut a break crash sounds like someones score giot out done and they dont want to bealive their mad expensive card is outdated yet...gamer pride we have all suffered it.
So true. Comparing a massively uberclocked GTS 640 to a modestly overclocked GT doesn't sound fair to me...


EDIT: Pff... Look at the link's benchmarks, on the charts the results on the higher part are overclocked results and on the lower part are supposed to be at stock speeds, BUT the GTS is at 513 Mhz. Who said a little OC to make a card look better in comparisons?
 
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The point is, if you have a GTS 640, you should not waste money on a GT, but if you are getting a new video card, get a GT or a GTS 512.

We don't need to fight over it, don't we?
 

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gamer pride we have all suffered it.
Tell me that! The 9800GTX has arrived in my country, selling at the same price I bought the 8800GT last November!!! :mad: :banghead:

:ohwell:
 

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Tell me that! The 9800GTX has arrived in my country, selling at the same price I bought the 8800GT last November!!! :mad: :banghead:

:ohwell:
HAHAHA! :roll: HAHAHAHA! :roll: HAHAHAHA!

Wait, oh shit! :wtf: If that's exactly what has happened to me... :cry:

But don't worry! You have played well for over 5 months and the GTX is not a lot faster than the GT. If you OC it... Hmm I guess I'm acting like the OP... :p

If you feel bad think about how people that bought G80 on August/September feel.
 

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The point is, if you have a GTS 640, you should not waste money on a GT, but if you are getting a new video card, get a GT or a GTS 512.

We don't need to fight over it, don't we?
Totally agreed. But there's a difference between saying that upgrading from GTS 640 to GT is a waste of money and that both cards are the same, using outdated reviews with unfair overclocks and game selection*, just to try to convince yoursef first and others later, don't you think? Or is he trying to convince us so it's easier to convince himseft later? :D

*Didn't notice that all those games are well known to be memory bottlenecked? Where are better optimized games like COD4, UT3, Bioshock, ET:QW...
 

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if youve got a G80, dont upgrade yet.

however G92GT > G80GTS, for 99% of applications and settings.

the difference is marginal, but its there.
 
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I dont get how the overclock on the GT is a moderate one.There is no way simply put that you can push it more "on stock".And I have personally played with the card.

People have just ignored the weaknesses of G92.While I am not saying that someone should pick up a G80 GTS over 8800GT,"however" people who plan a 24+ LCD with 8800GT SLI SHOULD go with G80 GTS SLI which I am positive should perform better than 8800GT SLI in 19x12 with AA.

And there's a very interesting product in the market "the EVGA 8800GTS 640MB SSC".It has 112SP's and 8800GTX clocks out of the box and is going at newegg for $200 after $30 rebate.If I had a 24" LCD I would personally pick 2 of those cards in SLI over 512MB GTS SLI.That card easily beats 8800GT even in lower res.

People just need to realise that G80 cards are still a viable product depending on your needs.
 

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people who plan a 24+ LCD with 8800GT SLI SHOULD go with G80 GTS SLI which I am positive should perform better than 8800GT SLI in 19x12 with AA.






I think that if the GT performs better than the GTS on a single card setup it would also follow that 2 GT's will perform better than 2 GTS 640MB... :ohwell:
 

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I dont get how the overclock on the GT is a moderate one.There is no way simply put that you can push it more "on stock".And I have personally played with the card.

People have just ignored the weaknesses of G92.While I am not saying that someone should pick up a G80 GTS over 8800GT,"however" people who plan a 24+ LCD with 8800GT SLI SHOULD go with G80 GTS SLI which I am positive should perform better than 8800GT SLI in 19x12 with AA.

And there's a very interesting product in the market "the EVGA 8800GTS 640MB SSC".It has 112SP's and 8800GTX clocks out of the box and is going at newegg for $200 after $30 rebate.If I had a 24" LCD I would personally pick 2 of those cards in SLI over 512MB GTS SLI.That card easily beats 8800GT even in lower res.

People just need to realise that G80 cards are still a viable product depending on your needs.
Thats interesting. Does anyone know if it's possible to unlock these extra shaders via a bios flash? Has anyone got an EVGA GTS 640 SSC who could give me the bios to look at?

EDIT. No wait... has 96SP's, just like the normal GTS's according the the EVGA website.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=640-P2-N829-A3
 
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Oh right, so they're hardware dissabled rather than via the bios?

Hot.. Yeah! :p Check the linky in my sig though... it's mostly down the the IHS. My G80 runs cool as a cucumber!
 
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Doesnt matter the heat so long as the card works out of the box, and overclocking seems to be fine. People who have owned the 640gts havent had any failed cards after a while of use, so the heat doesnt really affect their value. They moved to the g92 to make more money. Money, that was the motivation.
 
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I dont get how the overclock on the GT is a moderate one.There is no way simply put that you can push it more "on stock".And I have personally played with the card.
If by stock you mean not making the fan run at 100% and let it run at 29%, then you are right 730-40 is usually the top, and not 725 anyway. If you put the fan at 100% you can go 750 and higher. And I am talking about the cards with the first released fan, you can go higher than those clocks if it's one of the cards with the improved fan.

And I have never heard of anyone been able to run the GTS 640 at 675Mhz 24/7, but I've been running my 8800 GT at 750+ Mhz 24/7. Not Nvidia's stock fan though, but the Gigabyte stock one (some Zalman).
 

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my GTS 640 used to run 675mhz all day long with the stock HSF and no mods.

IMO though, it's the shader clocks on the G92 that enables it to outperform the GTS 640. The best the G80 core will do is ~1620mhz, whereas G92's will happily do 1800+mhz.

When both cards are overclocked to their full potential, the 8800GT > 8800GTS 640.
 
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Memory 4 GB (2x2GB) DDR2 Corsair Dominator 1066Mhz 5-5-5-15
Video Card(s) GigaByte 8800GT Stock Clocks: 700Mhz Core, 1700 Shader, 1940 Memory
Storage 74 GB WD Raptor 10000rpm, 2x250 GB Seagate Raid 0
Display(s) HP p1130, 21" Trinitron
Case Antec p180
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi PLatinum
Power Supply 700W FSP Group 85% Efficiency
Software Windows XP
#25
my GTS 640 used to run 675mhz all day long with the stock HSF and no mods.

IMO though, it's the shader clocks on the G92 that enables it to outperform the GTS 640. The best the G80 core will do is ~1620mhz, whereas G92's will happily do 1800+mhz.

When both cards are overclocked to their full potential, the 8800GT > 8800GTS 640.
OK, it's just that I have never heard of such a thing before. I' ve just searched in the ORB and the second result for the GTS 640 is running it at 701 Mhz. Top scores are usually with at least water cooling. It's hard to believe you can reach 675 Mhz with stock and not a lot higher with better cooling...