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i am toying with the idea of moving from my 7700K kabylake to a six core 8700K which of course will require a new mobo..

whats the best way of avoiding windows thinking its a new machine and trying to skank me for a new copy of windows.. its a retail copy of windows not oem..

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If its as you say "Retail" then you can legally transfer.you might have to phone confirm the licence swap/transfer
 
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If its as you say "Retail" then you can legally transfer.
Because it is a "Retail" license, I agree - AS LONG AS you uninstall it from all previous systems. That license can only be used to install Windows on one computer at a time.

FTR, I have never yet had to call Microsoft when installing previously used "retail" licenses. But if the time comes, I don't anticipate any problems because they can tell immediately from the product key it is a retail license.
 
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Hi just moved to an 8700k with new motherboard and I didn't need to buy a new windows.
 
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A call to Microsoft would be enough to re-activate your Windows copy in case you need to.
 
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With retail versions of Win 7 it's not an issue; with OEM versions it might be. I have done many MoBo / CPU upgrades and OEM copies reinstalled and auto activated w/o issue when using same brand and model series. This is because MS expects that warranty replacements for say a Z270 Hero might be replaced by a Z370 Hero. Change a whole bunch of stuff and expect problems

Win 10 OTOH is not an issue either way. Windows retail and OEM licenses with be fine as long as you bought the OS as an individual purchase:

Invoice A is fine:
List of components - $1200
MS Windows 10 - $100
Total $1300

Invoice B is not:
Whoopdedoo 2000 PC w/ Windows 10 - $1300

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

4. Transfer. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software in Germany or in any of the countries listed on this site (aka.ms/transfer), in which case any transfer of the software to a third party, and the right to use it, must comply with applicable law.

a. Software preinstalled on device. If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device (and also if you upgraded from software preinstalled on a device), you may transfer the license to use the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Windows label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.

b. Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.

You don't say what th PC is used for but, all that being said, in all likelihood there will be no perceptable increase in performance after all that time, effort and money spent. MS Word will be 7% faster running a script of successive actions, but having a user in the middle of each of those renders that moot. gaming wise, you won't see anything. See image linked below

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png
 
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it is just a mobo and cpu change..
You say "just" but that really is a major upgrade. For licensing purposes, a new motherboard is considered a new computer. Do be careful, however, as a new motherboard often also requires new RAM. Check the motherboard's QVL (qualified vendors list) for compatible RAM on the board's website. There are too many for them to test them all so you don't have to buy listed RAM, but you should buy RAM with the same specs as listed RAM to ensure compatibility.
with OEM versions it might be.
OEM licenses are not "legally" transferable to a new motherboard under any circumstances - with one exception. That is if the new board is a replacement during a repair process for a board that has failed. And then it MUST be an exact replacement, or the recommended replacement by the same manufacturer if the original board is no longer in production or available.

Technically, you often can get away with it. But that does not make it legal. And since these conditions are set in the EULA we agree to abide by when we decide to keep using the license on the original computer, that makes the terms legally binding - whether Microsoft decides to pursue it in court, or not.
 
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the deed is done its on its way bill.. its just the asus Z340 version of what i already have.. the ram should be okay..

with graphics cards and ram the price they are £500 quid for new mobo and cpu for sure aint the major part of a new £2000 quid plus PC any more... irrespective of what windows thinks..

my machine has 32 gigs of ram.. near £400 quids worth at todays prices .. two graphics cards at £1000 todays prices.. to me just new mobo and cpu is "just that.. a relatively minor upgrade.. he he

but if i do end up having to spend £140 quid on new win 10 pro licence so be it.. i am committed now.. :)

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I purchased a previously used Win7 retail license/box and had zero problems activating it. I've also moved an OEM licence to a new PC and activated it no problem.

There is a "re-arm count" associated with a given COA ...if you exceed that then you may need to call MS with a plausible story. Been there with WinXP COA I got with an old laptop and activated no prob after a quick call and explanation.
 
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With retail versions of Win 7 it's not an issue; with OEM versions it might be. I have done many MoBo / CPU upgrades and OEM copies reinstalled and auto activated w/o issue when using same brand and model series. This is because MS expects that warranty replacements for say a Z270 Hero might be replaced by a Z370 Hero. Change a whole bunch of stuff and expect problems

Win 10 OTOH is not an issue either way. Windows retail and OEM licenses with be fine as long as you bought the OS as an individual purchase:

Invoice A is fine:
List of components - $1200
MS Windows 10 - $100
Total $1300

Invoice B is not:
Whoopdedoo 2000 PC w/ Windows 10 - $1300

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm



You don't say what th PC is used for but, all that being said, in all likelihood there will be no perceptable increase in performance after all that time, effort and money spent. MS Word will be 7% faster running a script of successive actions, but having a user in the middle of each of those renders that moot. gaming wise, you won't see anything. See image linked below

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/images/perfrel_2560_1440.png

tis purely a psychological thing john.. there is no real logic to it.. i just feel the need.. he he

i am fully aware my machine is perfectly okay as it is.. but the upgrade bug is biting and in the end i know it will get its way it always does.. :)

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but if i do end up having to spend £140 quid on new win 10 pro licence so be it.. i am committed now..
The good news is, new W10 license are full retail. So you won't have to do it again.
I purchased a previously used Win7 retail license/box and had zero problems activating it. I've also moved an OEM licence to a new PC and activated it no problem.
The retail license is not a problem (assuming the previous owner uninstalled it from his systems). As for the OEM license, again, that was not legal - even though you can get away with it most of the time. But that does not make it right, or legal. Microsoft tech support people are not "legal" representatives of Microsoft. They often just let people get away with it to avoid hateful publicity.
 
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The retail license is not a problem (assuming the previous owner uninstalled it from his systems). As for the OEM license, again, that was not legal - even though you can get away with it most of the time. But that does not make it right, or legal. Microsoft tech support people are not "legal" representatives of Microsoft. They often just let people get away with it to avoid hateful publicity.

If it were in a commercial IT environment, I'd care. in this case, I don't ;)
 
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Well, its another one of those circumstances where you have to let your conscience be your guide. Do you violate the terms of the EULA you agreed to abide by and illegally use the license again because you can? Or do you buy a new license because it is the right thing to do?

For me, the cost of a new license is not unreasonable or prohibitive. And since I prefer to use Windows 10 and not one of the many free Linux alternatives, I am willing to spend the money and be legal.
 
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i dont need it but something makes me want to do it

You're not alone in this. The little man on my shoulder talks me into new gear all of the time. :peace:
 
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You're not alone in this. The little man on my shoulder talks me into new gear all of the time. :peace:

Same. But I find it rewarding to resist the urge - even for a looong time. Its nice to have more control over these things.
 
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