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a PC for animations and renderings? (on a budget)

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Hi,

I need a PC to work that allows me to do animations and renderings, I'm on a budget.

I was thinking on about this that I saw on Amazon.
  • CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core
    $316.99
  • CPU Cooler: Cooler Master 212 Evo, I have it already
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170-GAMING 3 ATX LGA1151
    $107.99
  • Memory: HyperX FURY Black 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory (HX421C14FBK2/16)
    $65.99
  • Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2, 80+ GOLD 550W, Fully Modular, EVGA ECO Mode, 7 Year Warranty, Includes FREE Power On Self Tester, Power Supply 220-G2-0550-Y1
    $84.99
  • HDD: Seagate 2000 GB, I have it already
  • GPU: a cheap one please?.
  • Case: Carbide Series SPEC-02, I have it already
I have a few questions:
  1. The memory ram says Non-ECC, what is this?.
Thanks...
 
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What software are you using? What work loads are you estimating you'll be rendering for? Budget rendering is a tough one...I stayed away and most folks I know doing budget builds for this are very, very very patient with their rendering jobs or gave up and repurposed for gaming rigs and spent the money to get the right system for the task. There's a saying, use the right tool for the job. A cheap budget build isn't the right system for rendering, but, in that breath...depending on said budget it can be accomplished fairly decently.

I've deployed 750Ti's for structural engineers, but not for animations and rendering... odds are you'll be relying on your CPU for the rendering workload honestly though. For true rendering you'd need a workstation class card build for that purpose, which can cost a helluva lot. What is your budget? You say keep it cheap...you won't get a great or even good rendering card for cheap...though depending on the level of cheap you might get something that works well.

Non-ECC = Not Error Correcting Code Memory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory , Server and high-end workstation-class systems will rely on ECC when data/project integrity is critical.

For that system build, 650W is more than enough. You could slap a 980Ti, 1070, 1080, Titan, and 650W would be enough.

AND

You have created a lot of threads lately that you don't really follow up on, for that purpose I want you to know I have reported your post on this thread and notified TPU staff of your recent activity so they can decide for themselves if your actions are worth anything negative or not.

I am not entirely sure if you are the issue or not, but you have gotten a lot of attention from TPU members trying to help you (some in less than appropriate ways), and you either stop responding or create another thread. I replied to one of your threads in the GPU section when you were asking questions about the 1060 vs 1070, I inquired about your 1070 thread and had some questions. You never replied...instead you moved on.

This makes me question what you're doing here, and I apologize for saying this, but makes me question how genuine your request for assistance and suggestions truly are. I hope you are genuine in your need for help here, and I hope we can get you in a spot where you stop making TPU members get frustrated at you and each other like your last thread had unfortunately accomplished. I also hope my perspective of your recent actions is incorrect. :)
 

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This is a weird option, but I'm putting it out there. You can grab an engineering sample 8/10/12/14 core xeon on eBay reasonably cheap (under $300 for the 12 cores) and mate them with an asrock board for similar pricing to what you posted and quite a bit more power.
 
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What software are you using? What work loads are you estimating you'll be rendering for? Budget rendering is a tough one...I stayed away and most folks I know doing budget builds for this are very, very very patient with their rendering jobs or gave up and repurposed for gaming rigs and spent the money to get the right system for the task. There's a saying, use the right tool for the job. A cheap budget build isn't the right system for rendering, but, in that breath...depending on said budget it can be accomplished fairly decently.

I've deployed 750Ti's for structural engineers, but not for animations and rendering... odds are you'll be relying on your CPU for the rendering workload honestly though. For true rendering you'd need a workstation class card build for that purpose, which can cost a helluva lot. What is your budget? You say keep it cheap...you won't get a great or even good rendering card for cheap...though depending on the level of cheap you might get something that works well.

Non-ECC = Not Error Correcting Code Memory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory , Server and high-end workstation-class systems will rely on ECC when data/project integrity is critical.

For that system build, 650W is more than enough. You could slap a 980Ti, 1070, 1080, Titan, and 650W would be enough.

AND

You have created a lot of threads lately that you don't really follow up on, for that purpose I want you to know I have reported your post on this thread and notified TPU staff of your recent activity so they can decide for themselves if your actions are worth anything negative or not.

I am not entirely sure if you are the issue or not, but you have gotten a lot of attention from TPU members trying to help you (some in less than appropriate ways), and you either stop responding or create another thread. I replied to one of your threads in the GPU section when you were asking questions about the 1060 vs 1070, I inquired about your 1070 thread and had some questions. You never replied...instead you moved on.

This makes me question what you're doing here, and I apologize for saying this, but makes me question how genuine your request for assistance and suggestions truly are. I hope you are genuine in your need for help here, and I hope we can get you in a spot where you stop making TPU members get frustrated at you and each other like your last thread had unfortunately accomplished. I also hope my perspective of your recent actions is incorrect. :)

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I don't have the money to buy a X99.
My budget is $650-$700 for this build.

I follow all your advices, the thing is that I don't have time to reply thanks, sometimes. I work 12 hours a day 6 days a week. But, I did the changes that you said to me before, thanks for helping me by the way. I jus ask and I follow the step and because of work I forgot to go back and say thanks.
 

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@RGT with your budget being $650-$700 then I would say pick a less expensive PSU. With that 6700 and a 750 Ti you probably won't use over 200 watts. Maybe look at a quality PSU around 400-450 watts unless you plan to upgrade to a beefier GPU later on.

Edit: Also, will you need to buy a copy of Win 10?
 

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It's not just saying thanks, but when folks are asking questions, you need to find a way to communicate. If you're truly that busy with work (which I understand as a parent and someone who works those kinds of hours on top of that), you should be communicating that in your OP so that folks know not to expect you to reply. Not replying to a thread you created at all is also disconcerting...the example is your GTX1060 thread from last week. If you don't communicate, users tend to assume things...we all know that assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME! ;)

Anyways, moving forward...

Revit will run on that system, Photoshop should run decently well. Lumiion and Cinema 4D I have no experience with... but depending on the size of your projects that system may or may not work out. Regardless of what you can afford...if you don't have the right tool for the job...you won't get the job done and need to find something else to do that you can afford until you work up to that point. I would recommend SSD data stores and a lot of RAM (maybe even more than the 16GB you have listed). +1 to what @cdawall said.

That will be a nice build, and honestly I agree with 64K you don't need that much PSU for that system. I've ran similar builds with an EVGA 400W PSU without any issues what-so-ever. Honestly though...you should try to find a used rendering card...and try to get a beefier CPU build. Though maybe this build will be sufficient for you. If this is for professional work though, I imagine you won't be making the deadlines... Again, the right tool for the job will make all the difference here.

:toast:
 

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The Spec's of your listed system are very suitable for what you need
 
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Xeon is your only visible choice as Cdawell mentioned. Xeon 14c/28t for cheap from Ebay and a X99 mobo.

I am building exactly the same rig but with OEM cpu instead of ES.
But then not sure whether it's worth giving out advice for you, OP.
 
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@RGT with your budget being $650-$700 then I would say pick a less expensive PSU. With that 6700 and a 750 Ti you probably won't use over 200 watts. Maybe look at a quality PSU around 400-450 watts unless you plan to upgrade to a beefier GPU later on.

Edit: Also, will you need to buy a copy of Win 10?
I have an original copy of Win10.

Maybe this is a better choice: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2

My plans are upgrading the GPU to a better one, not an expensive one, but better and I want to have the power to handle it. I don't want to buy a PSU twice.

Xeon is your only visible choice as Cdawell mentioned. Xeon 14c/28t for cheap from Ebay and a X99 mobo.

I am building exactly the same rig but with OEM cpu instead of ES.
But then not sure whether it's worth giving out advice for you, OP.
Is more cheap to me to buy on Amazon because of my Prime Membership and I have had bad experiences before buying on eBay. I prefer to buy brand new stuff and to have the box to sell it in the future. A Xeon is a good advice, I will look at them on Amazon.
 
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Dude, you don't find ES stuff on Amazon.

Brand new Xeon 2683 v3 chips are 1,600 USD. ES or OEM pulls are in range of 300. Your call.
 
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It's not just saying thanks, but when folks are asking questions, you need to find a way to communicate. If you're truly that busy with work (which I understand as a parent and someone who works those kinds of hours on top of that), you should be communicating that in your OP so that folks know not to expect you to reply. Not replying to a thread you created at all is also disconcerting...the example is your GTX1060 thread from last week. If you don't communicate, users tend to assume things...we all know that assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME! ;)

Anyways, moving forward...

Revit will run on that system, Photoshop should run decently well. Lumiion and Cinema 4D I have no experience with... but depending on the size of your projects that system may or may not work out. Regardless of what you can afford...if you don't have the right tool for the job...you won't get the job done and need to find something else to do that you can afford until you work up to that point. I would recommend SSD data stores and a lot of RAM (maybe even more than the 16GB you have listed). +1 to what @cdawall said.

That will be a nice build, and honestly I agree with 64K you don't need that much PSU for that system. I've ran similar builds with an EVGA 400W PSU without any issues what-so-ever. Honestly though...you should try to find a used rendering card...and try to get a beefier CPU build. Though maybe this build will be sufficient for you. If this is for professional work though, I imagine you won't be making the deadlines... Again, the right tool for the job will make all the difference here.

:toast:

Maybe this is a better choice: EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2

My plans are upgrading the GPU to a better one, not an expensive one, but better and I want to have the power to handle it. I don't want to buy a PSU twice. Besides, the difference from $64.99-84.99 is not much, is good to get a good PSU right away, isn't it?. The G2 is better than the GS and is at the same price range, well, the G2 is 100w less, which is enough too. Thanks for that.
 

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I don't have the money to buy a X99.
My budget is $650-$700 for this build.
Xeon x5650? older Xeons are quite great processors... you can also find them for cheap on ebay of example...
dont botter about the PSU the psu should be according all harware... so leave for later.. 1st decide about processors, boards, video, etc...

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Dude, you don't find ES stuff on Amazon.

Brand new Xeon 2683 v3 chips are 1,600 USD. ES or OEM pulls are in range of 300. Your call.
wow, too expensive for this build.
Right now I havce found the i7-6700 at $288 on Amazon, I think I will stick with that for this moment. I prefer to stay away form eBay.
 

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This is the exact CPU from the exact seller I purchased from on ebay. Shipping is free, so prime or not that is mute, seller is located in the US and the shipping took 3 days to get to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-US-STOC...198916?hash=item1eb70e7d04:g:oS4AAOSwMtxXwGXY

Again this is your choice, but it is by far the best bang for the buck way you can go for a rig used for rendering, that is a 12 core broadwell-e chip so the latest of the latest.

I looked at these as well, this will be more compatible with motherboards

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-E-5-2650-V-3-ES-/172337460170?hash=item28201cf3ca:g:PMoAAOSwFdtX1EvW

10 core haswell-e
 
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This is the exact CPU from the exact seller I purchased from on ebay. Shipping is free, so prime or not that is mute, seller is located in the US and the shipping took 3 days to get to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-US-STOC...198916?hash=item1eb70e7d04:g:oS4AAOSwMtxXwGXY

Again this is your choice, but it is by far the best bang for the buck way you can go for a rig used for rendering, that is a 12 core broadwell-e chip so the latest of the latest.

I looked at these as well, this will be more compatible with motherboards

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-E-5-2650-V-3-ES-/172337460170?hash=item28201cf3ca:g:PMoAAOSwFdtX1EvW

10 core haswell-e

Thanks, let me take a look at them and boards for them too.
 

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Price: $225 Shipped and Insured Via USPS Priority !!![/QUOTE]
Next up is:

Motherboard: Intel S5520HC Intel S5520HC Dual LGA 1366 Intel 5520 Tylersburg SSI EEB Dual Intel Xeon 5500 Series Server Motherboard-Newegg.com

CPU's: Intel Xeon E5620's 4 core/8 thread http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E5620 - AT80614005073AB (BX80614E5620).html

Ram: 24 gig (6 x 4 gig) ECC Registered

Coolers: Cooler Master Hyper 212's





Yet another amazing system!!!!!

Price: $225 Shipped and Insured Via USPS Priority !!!
dude message @stinger608 ans ask for this combo, take a watch! is the half of the computer you might need!

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let me ask something.

The memory ram I have chosen is right?.

HyperX FURY Black 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory (HX421C14FBK2/16)

I can upgrade later to 32GB, but for now I'm good with 16GB, I just want to make sure that model is good enough.
 

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Thanks, let me take a look at them and boards for them too.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3V0M92/?tag=tec06d-20

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TY6A1LY/?tag=tec06d-20

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DZ6R9GE/?tag=tec06d-20

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-US-STOC...198916?hash=item1eb70e7d04:g:oS4AAOSwMtxXwGXY

$591.95 for that combo.

let me ask something.

The memory ram I have chosen is right?.

HyperX FURY Black 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory (HX421C14FBK2/16)

I can upgrade later to 32GB, but for now I'm good with 16GB, I just want to make sure that model is good enough.

They are fine.
 

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Thanks for that bro, you saved my life.

The only catch with that CPU is the BIOS needs to be version 3.00 or above on the motherboard. The chips are labeled with BIOS version on those Asrock boards, but I do not know what it will ship with. You can very easily hot flash one of those if it is the wrong version.

BIOS VERSION REQUIREMENTS said:
There is a high possibility of compatibility issues using this ES CPU (such as boot failure) onto branded computers or branded servers, because generally MOST BIOS of the branded servers and branded computers do NOT contain the Specific Microcode to support the engineering sample (ES) version of E5-2600 (v1, v2, v3 and v4) series CPUs.

Compatible Servers & Workstations:

Dell: Precision T5810 (BIOS A12 or above)
Dell: T7810 (BIOS A12 or above)
Dell: T7910 (BIOS A12 or above)

Compatible Motherboards:

Supermicro: X10S series (all models with BIOS R2.0 or above)
Supermicro: X10D series (all models with BIOS R2.0 or above)
Supermicro: C7X99-OCE (BIOS R2.0 or above)

Tyan: S562 series (BIOS V2.00 or above)
Tyan: S707 series (BIOS V2.00 or above)
Tyan: S708 series (BIOS V2.00 or above)

Asus: Z10PE-D8 WS (BIOS 3204 or above)
Asus: Z10PE-D16 WS (BIOS 3204 or above)
Asus: Z10PA-U8 (BIOS 3202 or above)
Asus: Z10PA-D8 (BIOS 3107 or above)
Asus: Z10PC-D8 (BIOS 3104 or above)
Asus: Z10PE-D16 (BIOS 3104 or above)
Asus: Z10PR-D16 (BIOS 3104 or above)

ASRock: X99 series (all models with BIOS 3.00 or above or above)
ASRock: EPC612 series (all models with BIOS 2.10 or above)
ASRock: FH-C612NM (BIOS 1.10 or above)

MSI: X99 Godlike Gaming Carbon (BIOS 2.4 or above)
MSI: X99 Godlike Gaming (BIOS 1.6 or above)
MSI: X99A XPower Gaming Titanium
MSI: X99A Gaming Pro Carbon (BIOS 1.1 or above)
MSI: X99A Gaming 9 ACK (BIOS 3.4 or above)
MSI: X99S Gaming 9 ACK (BIOS 2.8 or above)
MSI: X99S Gaming 9 AC (BIOS 1.B or above)
MSI: X99A XPower AC (BIOS A.5 or above)
MSI: X99S XPower AC (BIOS 1.B or above)
MSI: X99A/S Gaming 7 (BIOS H.E or above)
MSI: X99A/S MPower (BIOS M.A or above)
MSI: X99A/S SLI Krait Edition (BIOS N.7 or above)
MSI: X99A/S SLI Plus (BIOS 1.C or above)
MSI: X99A Raider (BIOS P.4 or above)

EVGA: X99 Family (all models with BIOS 2.01 or above)

Note: A BIOS upgrade may be necessary for motherboards manufactured prior to the introduction of Xeon E5-2600 v4 series CPUs series.
Note: A firmware upgrade of an onboard chip other than BIOS may be necessary for some Asus Z10 motherboards to enable dual-processor support.
 
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The only catch with that CPU is the BIOS needs to be version 3.00 or above on the motherboard. The chips are labeled with BIOS version on those Asrock boards, but I do not know what it will ship with. You can very easily hot flash one of those if it is the wrong version.

got it, thanks, I will look at videos about that board.
 

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What about SandyBridge-E?
Westmere is kind of last year's hot stuff, but now you can buy a pair of octa-core E5-26xx as low as $300.
And I wouldn't risk buying ES from anywhere, especially China.

An E5-2665 is only $55 in US, and it is a decent 8c/16t CPU
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...465996?hash=item41b2d9658c:g:yvIAAOSwvzRXx3X3
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Or even better, only $160 for a 10c/20t E5-2650 v3:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...044414?hash=item33be7ab33e:g:98EAAOSwi0RXyzQp
I know it's an ES, but at least it's in US...

Throw in $160-$170 for an open-box x99 board off newegg, and you get the bad-ass performance combo for the price of that i7-6700 CPU.
Spend the difference on a quad-channel RAM kit and at least a small SSD for a boot drive, and you are still within the budget.

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With x79 platform you could probably get away with 16c/32t 2P system and a lot more RAM within that same budget.
 
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This type work may be better suited for workstation graphics card. They can be real budget busters as seen here :eek: but if you sort on lowest price first, you'll find some affordable ones.
 

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Westmere is kind of last year's hot stuff, but now you can buy a pair of octa-core E5-26xx as low as $300.
And I wouldn't risk buying ES from anywhere, especially China.

The one I linked is located stateside. It would be no more or less risky than the SBE ES chip. I already tested it working on an MSI x99 SLI PLUS with the latest BIOS update from my work PC. Chip works exactly as advertised.

 
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