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Would you like a limit on the number of 'likes' allowed in a 24 hour period?


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Part of the point of adding a 'thanks' or 'likes' button to a forum are to support the post you are thanking or liking. Be it THE answer to solve the OPs problem, or a push in the right direction if it isn't an absolute answer available at the time. This can be a good thing in forums if it used properly. Here at TPU (and many other large forums), the likes tend to get lost in, well, a pool of likes. While some of this is because of TPUs sheer size and forum activity, a lot of it is also simply because they will thank anything positive because they CAN thank anything that is positive and don't have a limit. This, in turn, tends to dilute the 'weight' of the likes on a given post and what likes 'mean' in a forum in general. I am part of this problem as well here. At my home forum, where there is a limit, this forces me to think for a split second on if the post is really good enough to receive one of the thanks allotted. Here, I just click it. Nearly meaningless if they don't cost anything. In the end, limiting the number of likes should bring a bit more merit to 'likes' in general.

Now, is this huge? Hardly. In the end, it likely won't change much at all to most of us. However, to a new user, it means who may have the best answer and prevents people 'thanking' and 'liking' posts for giggles. It tends to lose its meaning and is simply a button on the forum. It really is something I have seen across many forums, both the diluting of likes/thanks, as well as implementing a limit.

My proposition is to simply put a limit on the number of likes able to give out in a 24 hour period. Perhaps between 15-20 should be plenty for a single day?

This idea started in the 'forum upgrade complete' thread and the point of starting a separate one is to get a fresh start, new, and less toxic (read: people focusing on why I think this way instead of dealing with the actual proposition/concern) opinions. Once that happens, the staff can then determine if it is worth the effort to implement. Initially, I believed this was a simply toggle in XF, but it looks like W1z's skills may be brought in to write something up for it. So there is that as well.

All non-toxic opinions and suggestions are welcome. :)
 
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The forum pre-Xenforo used to have a limiting feature that used to take away your Thanks button if you hit it too many times in a certain time period- you had a brief timeout before you got it back. That seemed to work out ok?
 
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Which is exactly what I am talking about. :)

According to a forum member in the other thread, he said he ran into the limit on the old system after a whopping 50-60 likes in a day or whatever. That is too high IMO. As much as I am on here, 50-60 in a day is a crazy number of posts to like 'at once'......... but maybe that is just me... I don't know.
 
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if policing of likes is going to occur, wouldnt policing of Not likes have to occur as well? meaning, if effort is put into the giving of likes, then the same work must go into the lack of liking a post? IMO, this is a bad idea, its a scab that opens up WAY too many "what if's" when picked.
 

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Theres no " indifferent" option
 

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Never knew this was an issue in the first place. I can only think it's one of those antispam things.

You have my thanks sir.
 
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if policing of likes is going to occur, wouldnt policing of Not likes have to occur as well? meaning, if effort is put into the giving of likes, then the same work must go into the lack of liking a post? IMO, this is a bad idea, its a scab that opens up WAY too many "what if's" when picked.
If people are getting upset because their post isn't liked their issues run much deeper than this forum. That is not a concern for the forum or staff. :)

EDIT: Also, there isn't a dislike button in the first place so who would know? Someone who tweaks out about that thing I guess (zOMG nobody likezzzzzz muh p0stzzzzz WAAAAAAAAAAAH???) ? See above. :p

Never knew this was an issue in the first place. I can only think it's one of those antispam things.

You have my thanks sir.
It isn't an issue per say. It is a way to bring more value to a feature which is sometimes abused.

Theres no " indifferent" option
I added indifference. Sorry about that.
 

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'Likes' suck. Period.

I appreciate the technical help people give but all to often likes are used to consolidate a fan base, not to give merit to a piece of technical enlightenment. Frankly, 'likes' are childish and pointless. I preferred the notion of 'thanks' even though it's the same damn thing.

Face it @EarthDog, on a forum like this the button used to generate positive appraisal will always, always be overused by sycophants and loyalists. The generosity of our members must not be overlooked but the pettiness of others is a bane to its usefulness.

I agree with you by the way.
 

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I think I may be of some help here, as I see the reason being alluded to, but not pinpointed exactly. I believe, and I may be wrong, but I think EarthDog is looking at likes as a measure of someones reputation/ability to help. Meaning that if you are one with a ton of likes, since this is a tech forum, the new members would see things as this guy knows his s#*t! Likely to put more weight on said users reply to an issue they were having.

Maybe we should look at it another way.

I have nearly 10K likes, and aside from shiny images of products, old FS threads, and comments made in moderation, (while my memory sucks) I know damn well I did not help half that many people with technical issues.

As I said, I may be way off base here, but I can see both sides of the fence. I like to like peoples things, although with age I have become more selective, but we also had a postwore club at one point, which allowed users to get to like 15-20K messages added to their total in a matter of months. Something like that may skew the "idea" behind the systems intentions.
 
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I appreciate the technical help people give but all to often likes are used to consolidate a fan base, not to give merit to a piece of technical enlightenment...

...Face it @EarthDog, on a forum like this the button used to generate positive appraisal will always, always be overused by sycophants and loyalists. The generosity of our members must not be overlooked buy the pettiness of others is a bane to its usefulness.
I've never had a signature here... I've never been closer than right now :p. (the message at a higher level, not for this specific issue mind you)


I also think its tough because the 'like' meaning is so broad. I think someone else mentioned that in the other thread as well and this makes it it tough on some and easier to hand out. I mean, I truly "like" most posts here, but, they don't deserve a click though to note it. 'Thanks', to me, does make it more clear... but both systems have their drawbacks. I wonder if a 'best answer' would be used in the same nefarious manner? That is something for more technical, like real deep dive forums though? I have seen it on Tom's and such but its likely moderated. Perhaps staff could do that (oh god, I suggested more work for the volunteers... :(), go through their section and approve a best answer in a threads............wow, no so much effort.

Perhaps some of this want to improve it comes from my complete lack of faith in how forums work in general...
 
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'Likes' suck. Period.

I appreciate the technical help people give but all to often likes are used to consolidate a fan base, not to give merit to a piece of technical enlightenment. Frankly, 'likes' are childish and pointless. I preferred the notion of 'thanks' even though it's the same damn thing.

Face it @EarthDog, on a forum like this the button used to generate positive appraisal will always, always be overused by sycophants and loyalists. The generosity of our members must not be overlooked but the pettiness of others is a bane to its usefulness.

I agree with you by the way.

I use them somewhat to gauge how useful my articles have been.

Possibly one of their few legitimate uses, but I can always go for view count too with a click or two, and that's probably more accurate. :laugh:
 
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I think I may be of some help here, as I see the reason being alluded to, but not pinpointed exactly. I believe, and I may be wrong, but I think EarthDog is looking at likes as a measure of someones reputation/ability to help. Meaning that if you are one with a ton of likes, since this is a tech forum, the new members would see things as this guy knows his s#*t! Likely to put more weight on said users reply to an issue they were having.

Maybe we should look at it another way.

I have nearly 10K likes, and aside from shiny images of products, old FS threads, and comments made in moderation, (while my memory sucks) I know damn well I did not help half that many people with technical issues.

As I said, I may be way off base here, but I can see both sides of the fence. I like to like peoples things, although with age I have become more selective, but we also had a postwore club at one point, which allowed users to get to like 15-20K messages added to their total in a matter of months. Something like that may skew the "idea" behind the systems intentions.
Yes and no. That is a negative byproduct of it though. It doesn't really have any context behind it. For example, you can take news people who put up several articles a week which are seen in the forums, they get likes in the forum for a PR. We thank you for the effort, we do, it's a thankless and painful job at times. They helped by getting news out. Is that not as important as those who help members buy the right parts or fixing a problem? Who knows?! So, number is not anything to go by either. Ratio? Maybe... but there are so many variables it makes my head spin. Its value is really so little, and a limitless use of it can take that down even more, to me... for what little it is all really worth.

I almost feel like.........I saw this before somewhere........................" 'Likes suck. Period." :)
 
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If the person that gets hes likes deserves it, there is not such thing as to many likes.

Just as long a person dosent spam the forum just to get likes or things like that.

With that said so...
 

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'Likes' suck. Period.

Face it @EarthDog, on a forum like this the button used to generate positive appraisal will always, always be overused by sycophants and loyalists. The generosity of our members must not be overlooked but the pettiness of others is a bane to its usefulness.

Yup. You have people Liking an opinion they agree with or helping someone seem more credible because they then expect a return like back. It's the same old circle jerk, echo chamber crap most forums and social media use/run into. I guess if it makes someone feel special because they got extra internet points then whatever...doesn't really hurt anyone. I just try not to care much and state my opinion or advise regardless.

Maybe we keep likes the way they are..but we also add a Problem Solved button..this can only be giving out by the OP with the problem to the person or even people that helped solve their problem.
 

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Maybe we keep likes the way they are..but we also add a Problem Solved button..this can only be giving out by the OP with the problem to the person or even people that helped solve their problem.

I am liking that idea! :toast: I could also see it being abused :( There would need to be a system of checks (IE allow only one per thread) or the OP could flag every post in a thread.
 
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I look at it this way, we aren't getting paid to do this here lol.

I wish there was a function to have certain issues resolved that they should be voted for pinning/stickied.
 

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I wish there was a function to have certain issues resolved that they should be voted for pinning/stickied.

Could you elaborate? Usually if there are like 3 or more posts mentioning it should get a sticky, we oblige with said requests.
 
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Only the OP should be able to select a problem solved. Otherwise its a 'best answer' scenario as described above. How would that be moderated? By people who half know what is going on, another third that doesn't and a couple that may actually know? SLippery slope to leave it in anyone but the OP's hands. ;)

EDIT: Only one 'best answer' allowed by the OP, no abuse if there are LIMITS. :p

RE: stickies... don't leave those in users' hands in a voting capacity. They should be vetted by staff before being allowed as a sticky. :)
 
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people are getting upset because their post isn't liked their issues run much deeper than this forum. That is not a concern for the forum or staff. :)

The exact same thing can be said about posts that get liked. It doesn't matter. it's kind of like debating about why Bananas are yellow, its moot outside of some fruit related forum. I can understand removing the function ,but anything other than leaving it alone ,or removing it ,is pointless in my opinion, & a waste of resources. As you said ,it's not the business of the staff to worry about whether a person's post was not liked, the same goes for if it was liked...this isnt facebook.

Why not remove the like function, and for every 1000 likes recieved in the past, give some type of useful, or helpdfulness rating then? Otherwise just leave it be.
 
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Well, the staff put the like in there... its their responsibility to maintain the site and make changes and improvements as seen fit. That isn't 'feelings'. Its site maintenance if a tool is working as intended or to a detriment of its users.

I'm fine with removing it as well, honestly. It does so little in its current form... might as well. I am trying to bring a bit more value to the existing feature.
 

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Could you elaborate? Usually if there are like 3 or more posts mentioning it should get a sticky, we oblige with said requests.

Maybe a button for ones that were very difficult to fix and once the fix was discovered and resolution posted it could be requested to be pinned/stickied by vote.
 

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They should be vetted by staff before being allowed as a sticky. :)

Usually is to some extent. They tend to get reported for confirmation, and then stickied. Some not.

@eidairaman1 I see where you are going with it now, but sadly i am not a huge proponent of stickied threads. I am from the school of it it is awesome, sure, but it has to be widely helpful beyond something not so amazing. Otherwise we have 1-3 pages of stickies before you see the new posts for help in each section.
 

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Which is exactly what I am talking about. :)

According to a forum member in the other thread, he said he ran into the limit on the old system after a whopping 50-60 likes in a day or whatever. That is too high IMO. As much as I am on here, 50-60 in a day is a crazy number of posts to like 'at once'......... but maybe that is just me... I don't know.
That was was me in a one-off and was a very rare circumstance on the old vB software where I had to thank a whole bunch of consecutive posts. It's ok, you can name check me on this one. :p

Anyway, thrown my tuppence in for not limiting the Likes, here. If a post deserves a Like, then it should be possible to give it regardless of how many have already been given. One really shouldn't have to worry about running out of some arbitrary quota when there's some Likes to give out. :)
 
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