Adrenaline Driver Breaks C&C3, RA3 and etc, see AMD's response

[FYFI13]

It's not just AMD. Can anyone remember this thread? When it was posted originally i was using GTX 980Ti and i couldn't see any problems that OP mentioned, but now i do, after upgrading to GTX 1070. New cards/drivers clearly "hate" older games. Some do run fine, but others are quite broken. We should bomb both camps with complaints.

 

[HD64G]

Happy new year everyone!

GoG have managed to make hundreds of games to work properly in win7-8.1-10 that wouldn't in the first place as they were made for win9x. I think most of those having problems now with the latest AMD drivers will be patched and will work. My main suspicion is that the overlay in the Adrenaline version of drivers is causing that. This type of problems with overlays are usual for old games for years now. If anyone can disable the driver overlay for these specific games and try again, report back with your findings.

 

[MuhammedAbdo]

FineWine keeps getting better and better LOL! Just shows how much of that myth is actually BS. And the comments of AMD fanatics about not caring about the issue is DISGUISTING! This 101 PC folks. You can't break backward compatibility of PC games and expect a free pass. I have NEVER encountered a game that refuses to work on NVIDIA Pascal or Maxwell hardware, and I play TONS of old games. Sure there is the occasional bug, but a game that ouright refuses to work? NEVER.

 

[Vya Domus]

How long until you have a favorite game that you can no longer play? I'm glad to see you give them a free pass. Go ahead and bend over, there's more to come when others in the industry get the I Don't Care attitude from even more folks with that viewpoint.

As you can see I bought an Nvida card even though I am very much pro AMD. What do you conclude from that ? Just because I have a company that I like more doesn't mean I will mindlessly buy anything from them just for the sake of doing so. No , I buy whatever fits my needs at the time. I simply found the reasoning behind your anger towards AMD to be rather strange.

I'm glad to see you give them a free pass.

It's not that I give them a free pass , I simply have a certain level of tolerance towards these sorts of happenings. I am a realist and I don't expect everything to work flawlessly because of the nature of these things. If you do then you're probably going to have a bad time.

Here is hoping Vulkan and DX12 garner popularity so a decade from now you wont see things like this happening. Explicit APIs that don't rely on driver optimizations for performance should have become a reality long ago.

 

[silentbogo]

AMD can be accused of many f%^@#ups, but this one is definitely not one of them.
If I was in their shoes, I'd probably say the same thing: we have bigger problems than a handful of people playing C&C.

These situations happened many times before (not just w/ AMD or NVidia), and never caused any critical distress.
Yet, for some reason no one bashed Bethesda for FO3. Remember, the game came out in 2008, and even with all GOTY editions and everlasting fanbase it still comes with a warning that Windows 7 is not supported.

 

[Vya Domus]

These situations happened many times before (not just w/ AMD or NVidia), and never caused any critical distress.

Nevertheless , it's enough to spark a breading ground for shit talking them.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Yet, for some reason no one bashed Bethesda for FO3.

Where were you? There are likely whole servers storing up just the complaints and anger aimed at Bethesda for just that. I never saw them get a free pass.

 

[Vayra86]

It's not just AMD. Can anyone remember this thread? When it was posted originally i was using GTX 980Ti and i couldn't see any problems that OP mentioned, but now i do, after upgrading to GTX 1070. New cards/drivers clearly "hate" older games. Some do run fine, but others are quite broken. We should bomb both camps with complaints.

Except that thread focuses on problems surrounding Rise of the Tomb Raider which is very fresh, and really doesn't point to an old API problem at all (if anything it points at a problem with DX11 or DX12). I honestly don't see a link here, and on top of that, the 'shadow acne' really isn't supported by numbers, just N=1 experiences, some youtube clips and walls of complaint.

I can still fire up ancient games, DOSbox, legacy, whatever I'd like, and I cannot spot any issues related to old APis. Heck I even still to this date emulate PCSX2 and play everything flawlessly.

 

[silentbogo]

I never saw them get a free pass.

How is that not a free pass. It's 2017 2018:

 

[rtwjunkie]

How is that not a free pass. It's 2017:
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Lol, I'm talking about servers full of forum hatred about that, directed at Bethesda, because you know it never goes away. It's stored somewhere. Just because it is still for sale doesn't mean they got a free pass.

On another note, buy it on GOG and they seem to have done what neither Bethesda nor Steam could do, which is remove the Windows Live requirement that almost always prevented it from starting.

 

[Vayra86]

The thing is FO3 does still simply work and if it doesn't, its so 'open' that you can tweak whatever you need to make it work yourself. It just does not compare to an API-specific issue that just suddenly pops up like this.

What's next? DX10 in two years? DX11 in three? After all, 'DX12 is here to stay' and 'we have Vulkan too'...

 

[HD64G]

Pull out your old XP machine and game on!

For games unplayable or buggy with win10, another solution is a dual boot with XP. Even a 32GB partition is more than enough. Games play from steam folder nowadays just with a verification once you begin installing them. But lets see how this unfolds in a week or so. Some here and in other forums suggest to get the dlls from older drivers and put them into the game's exe folder. It normally works.

 

[Vya Domus]

After all, 'DX12 is here to stay' and 'we have Vulkan too'...

What is funny is that those APIs , especially Vulkan would have prevented something like this from happening.

Everyone annoyed by this event should thank MS for developing these wonderful APIs with a million driver reliant features and endless abstraction. OpenGL too.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Just reported RA3 and C&C4. Saw someone else reported Split/Second is doing it too.

They all have the same crash signature. I'm pretty sure AMD will get it fixed relatively easily and soon (my theory/conjecture). The fix may be as simple as disabling the overlay in these games.

 

[FYFI13]

Except that thread focuses on problems surrounding Rise of the Tomb Raider which is very fresh

Re-read that thread, it's not just RoTR, that's one.
Two, RoTR was released in November 10, 2015. What do you mean by saying it's very fresh?

 

[EarthDog]

Just reported RA3 and C&C4. Saw someone else reported Split/Second is doing it too.

They all have the same crash signature. I'm pretty sure AMD will get it fixed relatively easily and soon (my theory/conjecture). The fix may be as simple as disabling the overlay in these games.

here is to hoping... but...

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-dx9-games-bugged-by-adrenalin-driver.240103/

Re-read that thread, it's not just RoTR, that's one.
Two, RoTR was released in November 10, 2015. What do you mean by saying it's very fresh?

fresh compared to a 10 y.o title.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Just reported RA3 and C&C4. Saw someone else reported Split/Second is doing it too.

They all have the same crash signature. I'm pretty sure AMD will get it fixed relatively easily and soon (my theory/conjecture). The fix may be as simple as disabling the overlay in these games.

It could be a simple dll fix (something like d3d9.dll in game folder) or maybe remove the intro movies or somewhere in between.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

here is to hoping... but...

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-dx9-games-bugged-by-adrenalin-driver.240103/

Instead of repeating myself:

It was mentioned in Vanguard on the 26th but nothing is really happening right now because of holidays.

ray_m is tech support. Until someone from the actual driver team says something (and they've been very quiet since the release), I'd take it with a grain of salt.

There's literally no new information in that link and there won't be for a while.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Do we have to run the absolute latest driver when playing 10 year old games, I mean, wtf are we hoping for, another 100fps in older titles or what? pretty damn sure if there is something relevant in the latest driver you want for a recent game you're not still playing 10 year old games 24x7 and if you are then an older driver would be better for you forsaking the new feature in the latest game and vice versa... people whinging everywhere, dont fucking update your drivers, heck dont update your OS and play on XP

 

[cdawall]

Do we have to run the absolute latest driver when playing 10 year old games, I mean, wtf are we hoping for, another 100fps in older titles or what? pretty damn sure if there is something relevant in the latest driver you want for a recent game you're not still playing 10 year old games 24x7 and if you are then an older driver would be better for you forsaking the new feature in the latest game and vice versa... people whinging everywhere, dont fucking update your drivers, heck dont update your OS and play on XP

This is not an option for Windows 10 users. You cannot just willy nilly hope old drivers will work, and saying well you shouldn't be playing old games is BS. People like playing what they like and all this is, is another reason for more of AMD's user base to feel left out and to leave AMD. That is absolutely the last thing AMD needs. Ostracizing their loyal fanbase is the equal of just shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

This is not an option for Windows 10 users. You cannot just willy nilly hope old drivers will work, and saying well you shouldn't be playing old games is BS. People like playing what they like and all this is, is another reason for more of AMD's user base to feel left out and to leave AMD. That is absolutely the last thing AMD needs. Ostracizing their loyal fanbase is the equal of just shooting themselves in the foot.

umm it blatantly is a case of old drivers work as the whole thread is about new drivers breaking old games? tell that to all of the people who cant play Windows XP games since Windows 7/8/8.1 and 10, I have ran every Windows OS since it's release since XP/Longhorn aka Vista and this happens, were you part of the "Windows XP 4eva" people who refused to upgrade to Vista? who's still running XP now?

 

[cdawall]

umm it blatantly is a case of old drivers work as the whole thread is about new drivers breaking old games? tell that to all of the people who cant play Windows XP games since Windows 7/8/8.1 and 10, I have ran every Windows OS since it's release since XP/Longhorn aka Vista and this happens, were you part of the "Windows XP 4eva" people who refused to upgrade to Vista? who's still running XP now?

Cool so what do you do when AMD's new driver is the requirement for install on your version of 10? You do know that no normal user can turn off M$'s autoupdate of drivers correct? 17.11.4 auto installs for AMD right now and here in a moment that will swap to 17.12.2 which means every user that has a windows update can just kiss the compatibility of these games goodbye. I am not here for a cop out. Simple fix your shit AMD or kiss more customers goodbye. At this point it really doesn't matter what the age of the game is. AMD just said we don't care, get over it to it's customers. They are a company that wouldn't exist with out customers. Telling them to kiss off; well that is bloody asinine.

Also for other peoples suggestion; instead of a company selling a complete product with the capabilities of it's competitor you want me to build a second rig just to play nostalgic games on? How about this instead of wasting $250-500 on another machine I will just spend $250-500 on a better nvidia graphics card that still works with said games? Sounds like a better experience all around for me.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I dont need to install the latest driver everytime it's released, people on here tend to install drivers when they release cause we're enthusiast but joe average consumer doesnt even know what a driver is and are happy as long as their PC is working, go buy your 250-500 nvidia GPU, pretty sure nothing I say will detract you from being a consumer anyway. NVIDIA's drivers suck, their GUI hasnt changed in 10 years, I get issues with textures, my 75hz monitor cause driver issues with blinking green screens in certain games, AA doesnt work on other, I can't play FEAR on my shiny new Windows 10 PC with an NVIDIA GPU. NVIDIA is shit AMD rulez

 

[cdawall]

I dont need to install the latest driver everytime it's released, people on here tend to install drivers when they release cause we're enthusiast but joe average consumer doesnt even know what a driver is and are happy as long as their PC is working, go buy your 250-500 nvidia GPU, pretty sure nothing I say will detract you from being a consumer anyway. NVIDIA's drivers suck, their GUI hasnt changed in 10 years, I get issues with textures, my 75hz monitor cause driver issues with blinking green screens in certain games, AA doesnt work on other, I can't play FEAR on my shiny new Windows 10 PC with an NVIDIA GPU. NVIDIA is shit AMD rulez

You don't get an option on driver installs as Joe blow. Windows updates those on its own. How many times do I have to say that before it sinks in. When you install fall creators edition which m$ essentially forces on you, it will install 17.11.4 and 388.00 depending on which video card you have. It will not be much longer before 17.11.4 is replaced by the broken adrenaline drivers and trust me there is a lot more broken then just these games.

Nvidia drivers work and have issues as well absolutely. However in a very unlike Nvidia move they tend to fix their issues as time progresses. I have dealt with being forced to make my own sli profiles as a work around for 2 way sli maxes, gotten frustrated with control panel crashes and the lot from them. However I dealt with those very same issues on the amd side with my dual 290, dual 480 and all of my mining rigs having amd driver based stability issues. Right now the issue is not the physical problem it is that amd went "go kick rocks" to its customers.

 

[MrGenius]

Can't install older drivers with W10 FCU?

Please save the "Windows updates those on its own" for some other ignorant moron. Because that's also total BS.