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Which socket is SB-E? (I've lost touch with modern processors recently). I really like that AsRock Z68. I'm already building in my dreams, putting that mobo inside a Corsair 800D... :D

Edit: I think I'd have to forget Z68 if I decide to wait for SB E...

Next is Sandy Bridge 'E' (Enthusiast or Extreme, take your pick) 'Patsburg' platform, which features a huge new LGA2011 socket to replace LGA1366 in Q3 next year [that's now since article is dated 2010] (although right now that seems dubiously convenient given the year of launch). The larger socket is to accommodate the new four channel DDR3 memory controller this platform will offer, as well as the first outing for PCI Express 3 - of which we'll get 32 lanes bolted into the CPU itself. The lanes can be split between 2x16 and 4x8 for multi-GPU, but again, there's no details about CrossFire or SLI support at this early stage.

Like LGA1156/1155 motherboards, LGA2011 motherboards will have only a Southbridge, but whether this Southbridge is called 'X68' (as some Taiwanese manufacturers are saying), we don't yet know. The new Southbridge seems like a complete update with a real focus on the single-socket workstation and server market as it houses two SATA 3Gbps and ten SATA/SAS 6Gbps ports. The interconnect is still a 4x PCI-E 2.0 DMI link between this and the CPU, providing some 2Gbit/s of bandwidth.

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Thought about that but had doubts on whether the performance increase would be worth the trouble. Also, I don't know much on the overclockability of the Q9450.

So you guys can confirm that although the 5970 used to run most games fine on a E8400 @ 4Ghz... now the cpu is too weak for todays' games and is bottlenecking them?


(C'mon I just need a tad of a push to... do it... you know... :eek: )

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Oh and while you're at it, suggestions for a good and reliable mobo won't hurt either :)

OC'ing the q9450 is the same as OC'ing the e8400. The only difference is the q9450 only has a multi of 8 while the e8400 has a multi of 9. Oh,and about if it'll be strong enough, I get 60 fps in BF3 with all settings on high. I get 30 fps in BF3 with all settings on ultra, running 1920*1200 res, see my system specs. Anyways, it was just a suggestion.
 
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OC'ing the q9450 is the same as OC'ing the e8400. The only difference is the q9450 only has a multi of 8 while the e8400 has a multi of 9. Oh,and about if it'll be strong enough, I get 60 fps in BF3 with all settings on high. I get 30 fps in BF3 with all settings on ultra, running 1920*1200 res, see my system specs. Anyways, it was just a suggestion.

But would you think the Q9450 would show a good performance improvement over the E8400? Considering it has 4 cores vs the E8400's 2 cores? I'm just speculating here too.

I want something which will give me a visible improvement in gaming. I know any i7 would give me better benchmarks, but as much as I love benchmarking I won't upgrade unless I can see visible improvement in gaming.
 
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a multicore x8 plus the addition of ddr3 would make bf3 a fair bit better for you id imagine in fact their are a few games that should fly given the bandwidth increase of ddr3 alone
 
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Both LGA 1155 (SB) and LGA 2011 (SB-E) will show very visible improvements in multi-GPU scaling and CPU power.

SB-E will have the advantage of bigger processors available and quad-channel RAM and more PCI-E lanes and the possibility to get an 8 RAM slot mobo. Also note that LGA 2011 is suppose to be closer to OC older intel platforms compared to SB, where it is COMPLETELY different (just uping the multi). It may not be a big deal to most, but coming from lga 1366, I prefer lga 2011 OCing than lga 1155.. too simple :p For someone keeping their CPU for as long as you do, and knowing you like to get the best GPUs, SB-E seems like a great option.
 

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But would you think the Q9450 would show a good performance improvement over the E8400? Considering it has 4 cores vs the E8400's 2 cores? I'm just speculating here too.

I want something which will give me a visible improvement in gaming. I know any i7 would give me better benchmarks, but as much as I love benchmarking I won't upgrade unless I can see visible improvement in gaming.

Swapping your cpus will see an improvement, but upgrading to SB or SB-E will see a bigger improvement, due to the increased bandwidth available on the platform(s).

Swap your cpus for right now, then upgrade when SB-E releases. It's gonna be a monster. Maybe even go 6 core when you do go SB-E.
 

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Swap your cpus for right now, then upgrade when SB-E releases. It's gonna be a monster. Maybe even go 6 core when you do go SB-E.

Don't spend any money now, and don't do incremental upgardes, if possible. Either wait for SB-e to launch, and buy into that platform, or buy into SB right now, with Z68 and a PCIe 3.0 motherboard, so that furutre upgrades are possible, and you don't waste cash on tech you're gonna upgrade away from soon anyway.
 

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Don't spend any money now, and don't do incremental upgardes, if possible. Either wait for SB-e to launch, and buy into that platform, or buy into SB right now, with Z68 and a PCIe 3.0 motherboard, so that furutre upgrades are possible, and you don't waste cash on tech you're gonna upgrade away from soon anyway.

She already has the Q9450 in her Sager/Clevo laptop, while her desktop sits on an E8400.

I'm merely suggesting she swap them until SB-E releases, then she can
 

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She already has the Q9450 in her Sager/Clevo laptop, while her desktop sits on an E8400.

I'm merely suggesting she swap them until SB-E releases, then she can
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/8/13/edb6e424-7d77-45f1-af94-e4435225844f.jpg

OMFG, I spit my drink all over when I scrolled down to the pic. :roll:

Yeah, but then the lappy is left with less of a chip. I mean, sure, E8400 is enough for a lappy, for sure, but...

2500K and a decent board can be had for ~$350, or less, or more...:laugh:

To me, that's a wise investment, and wil lamke for a better computing experience all around. Since BP is already asking about SB-E, i fugre she's in the market to spend som ecash, so why not get the best combo possible?

Your advice is not wrong...I'd just take a different approach.
 

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Well, considering she has sat on an E8400 this long, I don't think she would go the route you suggest. I think holding out for the SB-E is her wisest bet, unless she does want to do the back to back upgrade you mentioned, which, being the tech nerd I am, am not opposed to. lol.
 
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^^ im for the incremental upgrades. Although going to the q9450 route will be a mixed bag since you lose clockspeed, and then in the end you will end up putting it back in the laptop anyways...

I would get a second-hand 2500K, as everyone will be dumping them for SB-E, and a cheap-ass board, spend the little $$ now it will get you 98% there and will last easily through the next 18 months - then go Ivy bridge once its been out for a few months. A quick and dirty OC on the 2500K will get 100% of the power out of that 5970.

You never know how many problems the X79 is liable to have and you might be waiting a few months until it all gets resolved before you can upgrade... If you're building a rig for purely gaming, spending all that money to be part of the "excited first adopter" crowd is rarely worth it.
 
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^^ im for the incremental upgrades. Although going to the q9450 route will be a mixed bag since you lose clockspeed, and then in the end you will end up putting it back in the laptop anyways...

I would get a second-hand 2500K, as everyone will be dumping them for SB-E, and a cheap-ass board, spend the little $$ now it will get you 98% there and will last easily through the next 18 months - then go Ivy bridge once its been out for a few months. A quick and dirty OC on the 2500K will get 100% of the power out of that 5970.

You never know how many problems the X79 is liable to have and you might be waiting a few months until it all gets resolved before you can upgrade... If you're building a rig for purely gaming, spending all that money to be part of the "excited first adopter" crowd is rarely worth it.

9450's OC great. She'll get plenty of clock speed out of it. And it will perform better than the 8400, hands down.

I still say wait for SB-E. And if she decides to just go with SB instead, I say 2600 or better. Don't bother with the 2500.
 
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^^ im for the incremental upgrades. Although going to the q9450 route will be a mixed bag since you lose clockspeed, and then in the end you will end up putting it back in the laptop anyways...

That logic is astonishingly bad. Who cares about losing 200-600MHz when you can 2 fully functioning cores capable of running additional threads that new games offer? Not to mention the increased usability of multitasking in day-to-day tasks. If the better CPU is readily available, USE IT. Who cares if you need to spend 30-45 minutes swapping CPU's around? If the performance gain is substantial (which it is) then it's definitely worth it...
 

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wow panther should know better

Ma`m you need a core system upgrade
IE a z68 board and a 2500k
this is not late 2006 when a fast dual core was better then a slower quad
EVERYTHING is multi-threaded now there 90% of all games can use at least 3 threads at time most can use 4+
this is 2011 a dual core is slow for anything but the most basic of tasks
 
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Since I'm not going to buy a new motherboard, ram and cpu exactly on the date of release of SB-E I think I'll go for the other suggestion of swapping cpu's (and release the kraken later :p).

It won't make a difference for me on the laptop whether I have the Q9450 or the E8400 installed. (Since I had 2 laptop gpu's die on me I have up intensive gaming and now am using it only for mild games, old games and for browsing/office work.)

But I don't want to go through the trouble of reinstalling both cpu's, and reinstalling both operating systems, backing up and restoring stuff etc etc... if I don't get a visible performance increase on the desktop worth taking the trouble for a couple of months.

I wouldn't mind the laptop going slower with the E8400. The bios is locked and I can't oc the laptop (though I do not want to).

If the Q9450 would make a visible performance increase on the desktop, my plan would be to use it for a month or so on the desktop, overclocking it (hmmm would it reach 4Ghz on air like the E8400?) Then when sufficient reviews are out on the performance of SB-E I'll decide which cpu, motherboard, ram (and also cooler) to buy.
 

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if you got money to burn then install the q9450 ... but a 2500k will still trounce it
you should not need todo a os reinstall if you are changing the motherboard and cpu ( well at least on a windows 7) system
a q9450 will *should* do 4ghz with some effort ( its gonna draw mad power and get hot as a bitch in heat but it should do it )
shoot for something more sane like 3.2 or so it really won't matter much anyway a q9450 is still pretty slow even at 4ghz
you can try for 4 if you got good cooling and are brave about voltage
 
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When changing CPUs, I never backed up anything, nor did I reinstall Windows. Don't quote me on this, but there should be 0 problems swapping CPUs without doing anything else.

You plan seems logical and reasonable, go for it
 
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Since I'm not going to buy a new motherboard, ram and cpu exactly on the date of release of SB-E I think I'll go for the other suggestion of swapping cpu's (and release the kraken later :p).

It won't make a difference for me on the laptop whether I have the Q9450 or the E8400 installed. (Since I had 2 laptop gpu's die on me I have up intensive gaming and now am using it only for mild games, old games and for browsing/office work.)

But I don't want to go through the trouble of reinstalling both cpu's, and reinstalling both operating systems, backing up and restoring stuff etc etc... if I don't get a visible performance increase on the desktop worth taking the trouble for a couple of months.

I wouldn't mind the laptop going slower with the E8400. The bios is locked and I can't oc the laptop (though I do not want to).

If the Q9450 would make a visible performance increase on the desktop, my plan would be to use it for a month or so on the desktop, overclocking it (hmmm would it reach 4Ghz on air like the E8400?) Then when sufficient reviews are out on the performance of SB-E I'll decide which cpu, motherboard, ram (and also cooler) to buy.

If a "visible performance increase on the desktop" is your main goal, it would be much better served by replacing a mechanical hard drive with a SSD than it would by a CPU upgrade.
 
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if you got money to burn then install the q9450 ... but a 2500k will still trounce it
you should not need todo a os reinstall if you are changing the motherboard and cpu ( well at least on a windows 7) system
a q9450 will *should* do 4ghz with some effort ( its gonna draw mad power and get hot as a bitch in heat but it should do it )
shoot for something more sane like 3.2 or so it really won't matter much anyway a q9450 is still pretty slow even at 4ghz
you can try for 4 if you got good cooling and are brave about voltage

She's not burning any money at all by swapping
 
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She's not burning any money at all by swapping

True.

If a "visible performance increase on the desktop" is your main goal, it would be much better served by replacing a mechanical hard drive with a SSD than it would by a CPU upgrade.

I already run the OS and my games off the SSD.
I use the Seagate and the Lacie only for storage, photos, videos, backups etc...
 

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this should be common sense but laptop cpu's are not compatible with desktop chips ... different voltages package ect ect ... i didn't even see that post .....
 

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this should be common sense but laptop cpu's are not compatible with desktop chips ... different voltages package ect ect ... i didn't even see that post .....

Not always. Some laptops use regular desktop chips actually. Specifically, gaming and desktop replacement notebooks do. They have laptops with desktop i7 990x's in them and such...

I don't see any "laptop" version of that cpu. It seems to be the same CPU in desktops. Why would they not be compatible if they have the same socket and everything? I'm assuming they do, as I don't know what the internal motherboard of her laptop is.
 

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Core i5-2500K.

Your platform needs an overhaul. Merely upgrading to a faster LGA775 processor won't help. There's PCI-Express 1.1 bus and slow memory holding it back. Give it i5-2500K, any cheap 120€ Z68 motherboard, and cheap 50€-ish 8GB dual-channel DDR3-1600 kit.

With motherboard, I recommend ASUS, because even its cheapest boards have UEFI firmware. Other manufacturers avoid UEFI on cheaper boards.
 
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