After a Windows 10 Update Today Overclocking is lost. WTF Microsoft and Intel???

GoldenX · Oct 14, 2018

So, we can blame Intel for their security flaws, the MoBo maker for dropping support even for something so crucial, and Microsoft for their stupid automatic delivery of updates.
I think it's time to go ARM and never look back. :banghead:

CybrFace · Oct 17, 2018

Perfectly put.....

Frick · Oct 17, 2018

GoldenX said:
So, we can blame Intel for their security flaws, the MoBo maker for dropping support even for something so crucial, and Microsoft for their stupid automatic delivery of updates.
I think it's time to go ARM and never look back.

I wish Intel had greater success with their mobile x86 stuff, because then we could have had run proper Linux stuff and Wine on phones and tablets.

rkt · Dec 18, 2018

Today received October update - the overclock is broken. Planning to switch to Ryzen

Gorstak · Dec 18, 2018

there's probably security patches that slow down your cpu, but it's just a wild guess...

and im also reading ryzen has even more security flaws then intel

dorsetknob · Dec 18, 2018

Gorstak said:
and im also reading ryzen has even more security flaws then intel

Sources Please or People are going to call you out as a trash poster ( Oops FUD)

Gorstak · Dec 18, 2018

sorry, here you go

or read here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-flaws-ryzenfall-masterkey-fallout-chimera,36656.html

jboydgolfer · Dec 18, 2018

Is this platform specific? My overclock is fine. I keep up-to-date. I did todays security update a couple hours ago

8600k

Gorstak · Dec 18, 2018

jboydgolfer said:
Is this platform specific? My overclock is fine. I keep up-to-date. I did todays security update a couple hours ago

8600k

Not sure if it's worse to brag how good windows you got, or to not have anything to nag about

jboydgolfer · Dec 18, 2018

Gorstak said:
Not sure if it's worse to brag how good windows you got, or to not have anything to nag about

I dont know what you mean

Im asking if its platform specific. I have 5 operating intel pc's, 4 of which are unaffected, & 1 that cannot OC,so im curious if its a specific socket

Gorstak · Dec 18, 2018

well, you can do cpu-z validation on them and click the given link...it usually states there if they are vulnerable and/or patched

Or skip all that and update all bioses to newest, that's hardware level protection, microsoft probably just now issued software level protection.

R-T-B · Dec 18, 2018

jboydgolfer said:
Is this platform specific? My overclock is fine. I keep up-to-date. I did todays security update a couple hours ago

8600k

If I recall it affects only some Broadwell-E chips. This specific OC issue I mean.

lexluthermiester · Dec 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
If I recall it affects only some Broadwell-E chips. This specific OC issue I mean.

That's a significant number of users out there who have no real need to upgrade. This kind of thing is exactly why I actively block Windows update.

Gorstak · Dec 18, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
That's a significant number of users out there who have no real need to upgrade. This kind of thing is exactly why I actively block Windows update.

I would have agreed some time ago, but lately I'm voting for up to date machines. Besides, microsoft likes to deny service to users of their older software. On 10 RTM you can't download kodi from store, need at least 1703 I think.

lexluthermiester · Dec 18, 2018

Gorstak said:
On 10 RTM you can't download kodi from store

Who cares about Microsoft's store? It's a sad, me-too attempt at Apple and Google platforms. Download Kodi the normal way, directly from the web site..

rkt · Dec 18, 2018

I was blocking this evil update, but it was not effective.

unclewebb · Dec 18, 2018

@rkt - What CPU do you have? How were you blocking this evil update? How about a CPU-Z screenshot that shows your broken overclock?

Edit - I had a look through your previous posts. I assume you are talking about your X99 - 6850K.
I am using the Windows Update Mini Tool Wrapper Script and have not had any MS trash updates come my way.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/wumt_wrapper_script.html

rkt · Dec 18, 2018

Please read the thread from the beginning

jboydgolfer · Dec 18, 2018

rkt said:
Please read the thread from the beginning

12 pages is a long read. Answers are easier

rkt · Dec 18, 2018

Summary: the ms update KB4100347 was blocking an overclock through bios on i7 6850k, but this problem was was solved temporarily by blocking this update, but finally I suppose it was it was installed

MrGenius · Dec 18, 2018

What are you going to do? Stay on version 1803 or earlier...forever?

rkt · Dec 18, 2018

MrGenius said:
What are you going to do? Stay on version 1803 or earlier...forever?

Planning to switch to Ryzen

R-T-B · Dec 18, 2018

MrGenius said:
What are you going to do? Stay on version 1803 or earlier...forever?

Someone could try that package I made a million pages ago, never got feedback...

Ah, here it is:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...crosoft-and-intel.247595/page-10#post-3915860

R-T-B said:
Has anyone tried overriding the MC the proper way, like with this VMWare driver?

https://labs.vmware.com/flings/vmware-cpu-microcode-update-driver#summary

I can cook up a package if someone can name an unaffected microcode revision.

EDIT: Here one is, if someone is up to trusting a random internet frog. Extract somewhere you can keep it permanently, and run install.bat as administrator. DO THIS ONLY ON A BW-E NON-XEON BASED SYSTEM, OR YOU MAY HAVE A VERY TOUGH BSOD TO GET OUT OF.

Heck, you may anways. Needless to say, very experimental.

MrGenius · Dec 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
Someone could try that package I made a million pages ago, never got feedback...

Ah, here it is:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...crosoft-and-intel.247595/page-10#post-3915860

I'm still using my method of manually replacing the mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll with one from before the September KB4100347 update.

Here's that one more time too.

MrGenius said:
Well, not only have I done it before and had it work(replaced imageres.dll in System32 and SysWOW64 with a hacked version to remove the blue and yellow UAC shield icons from shortcuts), but I just did it again, and it worked again!!! So much for that theory!!! You are half-right though. If you run sfc /scannow the files will be detected as corrupt and replaced. The process is not automatic however.

So yes, as stated...PROBLEM SOLVED. All you need to do is replace mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll in System32 with an earlier version of the file. The one installed by this update is dated 9/4/18. Which I replaced with the same file dated 4/11/18. Not as easy as it sounds. But totally doable.
First I made sure Spectre protection was disabled. Then copied mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll from an earlier backup/clone of Windows 10 version 1803. Then booted WinPE with Active@ Boot Disk from a USB drive with a copy of the older version of mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll. And used that copy to replace the updated version. Easy fricken peasy, lemon fricken squeezy.

Booted up the "updated" Windows 10 to see if it worked. Booted just fine. Noticed the 3-5 second lag in boot time since the update had instantly gone away. Ran a couple benches. FIXED!!! Performance loss GONE!!!

Here's a copy of mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll from 4/11/18. I don't know what other CPUs it applies to. But if you have a 3770K, or any CPU with CPUID 306A9 I'd imagine, this is the one you need.

Side note: You can also just delete the mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll from System 32. It doesn't need to be there. The system will run just fine with the BIOS microcode. Albeit without Spectre protections(if the microcode in the BIOS hasn't been updated with said protections).

Athlonite · Dec 19, 2018

Gorstak said:
sorry, here you go

or read here:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-flaws-ryzenfall-masterkey-fallout-chimera,36656.html

did you watch any other videos on this as most of these were either proven to hard to implement (extensive knowledge of the hardware and alot of time for actual access to that hardware) or just down right BS claims by CTS labs (Who on their own web-page stated they were in it for monetary gain) in order to gain access to cheap AMD shares by dirtying their name in public

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