Aiming for a new AMD PC setup for about $/€1800, plus-minus, but I kindly need some help and advice to get the right parts...

[Why_Me]

Ok, so i will definitely go for the INTEL-setup, not AMD then. What a surprise that was, but i love it!

Few questions:
1: If i can get the i7 12700KF to about the same price as 12600KF, i should go for the 12700KF, yes? Otherwise, i will go for the 12600KF.
2: What PSU options are worth for me to get? 650~1000W recommendations would be good. Are EVGA SuperNova still good enough ones to get, yes?
3: The Arctic Cooler, i only need that, and nothing else in terms of external things? Pardon for that newbie question.
4: Will the Z690 X DDR4 fit into my case, which is Fractal Design Define R6, or?

Your case is big ... shouldn't be a problem fitting any of those components I listed inside it. If you want to be on the safe side you can go with a 240mm AIO CPU cooler. btw Arctic Cooling makes a LGA 1700 bracket for it's coolers but contact the PC hardware store that you're ordering from to make sure they send it with the cooler. That's a 650w EVGA Super Nova I linked and it will easily push your system including an RTX 3060.

LGA1700-MOUNTING KITS FOR ALDER LAKE | ARCTIC

Starting in mid-October, ARCTIC will provide mounting kits for all Freezer 34 models, the entire Liquid Freezer II series, the Freezer 50 as well as Freezer i13 X & CO.

www.arctic.de

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90785414
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 €58,74

As far as the cpu ... best to read the reviews imo and choose the one you feel fits your needs (and your budget).

Reviews of the i7 12700K/12700KF including benchmarks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY

 

[Selaya]

The board in that build I posted up above.

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90848813
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 €175,63

Z690 GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

GIGABYTE Releases DRM Fix Tool for Intel Alder Lake Processors to Dynamically Park and Unpark E-Cores

With Intel's Alder Lake processors released, the company introduced a rather interesting concept of mixing high-performance and high-efficiency cores into one design. This hybrid approach combines performance P-cores based on Golden Cove architecture with high-efficiency E-cores based on...

www.techpowerup.com

Prime as in [Seasonic] Prime, the PSU not [ASUS] Prime the board

 

[Why_Me]

Prime as in [Seasonic] Prime, the PSU not [ASUS] Prime the board

An [EVGA] G3's fine, it's a Superflower. If you insist, you can of course buy the Prime but tbh it is quite unnecessary as long as your PSU isn't failing.
Do note that there's still some compability issues w/ E-cores tho, they may or may not get smoothed out in the upcoming weeks and/or months.

The board in that build I posted up above.

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90848813
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 €175,63

Z690 GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

GIGABYTE Releases DRM Fix Tool for Intel Alder Lake Processors to Dynamically Park and Unpark E-Cores

With Intel's Alder Lake processors released, the company introduced a rather interesting concept of mixing high-performance and high-efficiency cores into one design. This hybrid approach combines performance P-cores based on Golden Cove architecture with high-efficiency E-cores based on...

www.techpowerup.com

I should have bolded that part the first time I quoted your post instead of taking it for granted that my reply was self explanatory.

 

[Selaya]

Uhm, what does the board have to do w/ that? E-core compability is a software-, not hardware issue, nor is it a BIOS thing

 

[winterwonderland]

Your case is big ... shouldn't be a problem fitting any of those components I listed inside it. If you want to be on the safe side you can go with a 240mm AIO CPU cooler. btw Arctic Cooling makes a LGA 1700 bracket for it's coolers but contact the PC hardware store that you're ordering from to make sure they send it with the cooler. That's a 650w EVGA Super Nova I linked and it will easily push your system including an RTX 3060.

LGA1700-MOUNTING KITS FOR ALDER LAKE | ARCTIC

Starting in mid-October, ARCTIC will provide mounting kits for all Freezer 34 models, the entire Liquid Freezer II series, the Freezer 50 as well as Freezer i13 X & CO.

www.arctic.de

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90785414
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 €58,74

As far as the cpu ... best to read the reviews imo and choose the one you feel fits your needs (and your budget).

Reviews of the i7 12700K/12700KF including benchmarks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY

I should have bolded that part the first time I quoted your post instead of taking it for granted that my reply was self explanatory.

Ok, but it seems like the 12700KF scores better on every aspect than the 12600KF (obviously), so if i can get the 12700KF for about the same price as the 12600KF, then i should most likely just buy the 12700KF, huh?

Ok, i will check out the prices on PSU's over here, for the mentioned Seasonic and EVGA's.

I will not buy a GPU yet, unless i find an insane good deal, ofc, but for now, i will stick to the GPU i already have.

Yes, i will definitely ask about the LGA-bracket upon ordering the setup. Thanks for the tip! EDIT: this is a picture of what is included within the box, and is that the LGA-bracket, or? https://files.catbox.moe/032t42.jpg

Otherwise, it seems like i am good to go with the Intel-setup, and that for a MUCH cheaper price than i originally intended to spend for the AMD-setup!

 

[Why_Me]

Ok, but it seems like the 12700KF scores better on every aspect than the 12600KF (obviously), so if i can get the 12700KF for about the same price as the 12600KF, then i should most likely just buy the 12700KF, huh?

Ok, i will check out the prices on PSU's over here, for the mentioned Seasonic and EVGA's.

I will not buy a GPU yet, unless i find an insane good deal, ofc, but for now, i will stick to the GPU i already have.

Yes, i will definitely ask about the LGA-bracket upon ordering the setup. Thanks for the tip! EDIT: this is a picture of what is included within the box, and is that the LGA-bracket, or? https://files.catbox.moe/032t42.jpg

Otherwise, it seems like i am good to go with the Intel-setup, and that for a MUCH cheaper price than i originally intended to spend for the AMD-setup!

The dealer should have it on hand and send it with the cooler. If they don't have it on hand then Arctic Cooling will provide it for free according to their website.

LGA1700 Mounting Kit - Liquid Freezer II Series | ARCTIC

MPSAS00891A | For mounting the Liquid Freezer II Series on Intel Alder Lake and Raptor Lake | ARCTIC Support | ARCTIC Service | ARCTIC Spare Parts | LGA1700 | ARCTIC Store

www.arctic.de

With the LGA 1700 mounting kit, the entire Liquid Freezer II Series is compatible with Intel's new Alder lake processors. Even if the socket and heat-spreader are larger compared to the predecessor, the CPU surface has been reduced and remains centered. The Liquid Freezer II cooler completely covers this area. ARCTIC will provide the required mounting kit free of charge to customers who submit proof of purchase of a processor with an LGA 1700 socket.

 

[winterwonderland]

The dealer should have it on hand and send it with the cooler. If they don't have it on hand then Arctic Cooling will provide it for free according to their website.

LGA1700 Mounting Kit - Liquid Freezer II Series | ARCTIC

MPSAS00891A | For mounting the Liquid Freezer II Series on Intel Alder Lake and Raptor Lake | ARCTIC Support | ARCTIC Service | ARCTIC Spare Parts | LGA1700 | ARCTIC Store

www.arctic.de

With the LGA 1700 mounting kit, the entire Liquid Freezer II Series is compatible with Intel's new Alder lake processors. Even if the socket and heat-spreader are larger compared to the predecessor, the CPU surface has been reduced and remains centered. The Liquid Freezer II cooler completely covers this area. ARCTIC will provide the required mounting kit free of charge to customers who submit proof of purchase of a processor with an LGA 1700 socket.

Great, i will check with the store to hear what they have to say about that.

Regarding the PSU, what other PSU's than the EVGA SuperNova GT 650w you linked to me should i keep an eye on since it's BF going on?

I guess that except for the PSU, i have everything else in place.

Ohh! Are there any cases that matches the Fractal Design R6 in terms of super silence/being quiet that i can be on the lookout for?

 

[Space Lynx]

With Black Friday upcoming and my current PC is not doing its job that well any longer, as it is being overly slow and troublesome when it comes to loading etc. + I cannot play any of the new games that I wanna play because of the specs being bad and whatnot + it's about time to get myself a new PC. This time, I am going for an AMD-setup, and it would be great if it would last for a few years, like 5+ years or so. But, I do not need ALL the parts, as I do have some parts available, such as: monitors (I have 4 available), case (FD R6), power supply (I have a G3 650W now), Noctua-fans in various sizes, mouse and a keyboard. I do need the following parts, however:
- CPU
- CPU cooler
- Graphics card
- Memory
- Motherboard
- SSD
- Power supply

I will use my PC primarily for these things, so it should perform these tasks without any issues:
- Livestreaming and streams (running various streaming programs and other apps in the background)
- Multitasking (I stream while I do other things/projects such as web designing)
- Photo + Video rendering + editing (my current PC takes a long time to perform these tasks, to be honest)
- Light gaming (NO FPS. Mostly sports, RPG, adventure and action games. I am NOT picky when it comes to running all games at max performance/quality etc.)

With Black Friday coming up, I am going to scout for some options, but this time, my budget is about $/€1800, plus-minus.

Any thoughts on a setup that would deal with my tasks nicely?

PS: Look at my listed PC specs for my current setup, if that matters...

if possible, be patient a little while longer. I think things will get better in the Spring.

if not possible, consider looking at a gaming laptop and a separate monitor to hook it up to. while gaming laptops are not ideal, you could possibly get a better gpu that way, as miners have been steering clear of gaming laptops for the most part.

 

[Why_Me]

Great, i will check with the store to hear what they have to say about that.

Regarding the PSU, what other PSU's than the EVGA SuperNova GT 650w you linked to me should i keep an eye on since it's BF going on?

I guess that except for the PSU, i have everything else in place.

Ohh! Are there any cases that matches the Fractal Design R6 in terms of super silence/being quiet that i can be on the lookout for?

Seasonic is a good brand. Can't go wrong with them imo.

be quiet! Silent Base 601 Midi Tower gedämmt schwarz Buy

be quiet! Silent Base 601 Midi Tower gedämmt schwarz Buy | online at computeruniverse online Shop | Midi-Tower (sound dampened)

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be quiet! Silent Base 601 Midi Tower Black €100,76

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90667911
be quiet! Pure Wings 2 140mm PWM €10,00

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/1504

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90820692

be quiet! Silent Base 802 Window €151,22

SILENT BASE 802 | Window Black silent premium PC cases from be quiet!

be quiet!

www.bequiet.com

 

[winterwonderland]

if possible, be patient a little while longer. I think things will get better in the Spring.

if not possible, consider looking at a gaming laptop and a separate monitor to hook it up to. while gaming laptops are not ideal, you could possibly get a better gpu that way, as miners have been steering clear of gaming laptops for the most part.

Unfortunately, i cannot wait that long. And no, i will stick with a desktop for obvious reasons of mine.

be quiet! Silent Base 601

Ohh, ok. I gotta check how that is in comparison to FDD S and to the one that i have now... Gotta google that! Thanks for the tip!

WD Blue SN550 M.2 2280 2TB... How is that in comparison to the mentioned​

Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 SSD 2TB? I ask as that one is on a special offer on a local shop, and about €30 cheaper than the Intel SSD... (sorry for the bold text, i cannot somehow remove it with the remove formatting-function...)​

 

[Why_Me]

Unfortunately, i cannot wait that long. And no, i will stick with a desktop for obvious reasons of mine.


Ohh, ok. I gotta check how that is in comparison to FDD S and to the one that i have now... Gotta google that! Thanks for the tip!

WD Blue SN550 M.2 2280 2TB... How is that in comparison to the mentioned​

Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 SSD 2TB? I ask as that one is on a special offer on a local shop, and about €30 cheaper than the Intel SSD... (sorry for the bold text, i cannot somehow remove it with the remove formatting-function...)​

Western Digital Blue is a solid SSD.

 

[Selaya]

Ok, but it seems like the 12700KF scores better on every aspect than the 12600KF (obviously), so if i can get the 12700KF for about the same price as the 12600KF, then i should most likely just buy the 12700KF, huh?
[ ... ]

Absolutely. Even in the (unlikely) event you have to disable E-cores due to compability you're left with an 8/16 CPU, which should be more than enough.

As for your PSU, your current one's an EVGA SuperNova G3, yes? Is anything wrong with it?

 

[winterwonderland]

Absolutely. Even in the (unlikely) event you have to disable E-cores due to compability you're left with an 8/16 CPU, which should be more than enough.

As for your PSU, your current one's an EVGA SuperNova G3, yes? Is anything wrong with it?

Ah, okay then i shall keep an eye on both CPU's.

Yes, that is the PSU i have. Well, nothing wrong with it, but it's only 550W, which is too weak, right?

 

[Selaya]

Didn't you write 650W earlier?
650W is fine, any and all GPUs that may require a more powerful PSU are priced well out of your budget, in any case.

 

[winterwonderland]

Didn't you write 650W earlier?
650W is fine, any and all GPUs that may require a more powerful PSU are priced well out of your budget, in any case.

Ah, i see. No, i wrote 550W, but @Why_Me suggested EVGA Supernova GT 650W. Isn't 550W too little?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ah, i see. No, i wrote 550W, but @Why_Me suggested EVGA Supernova GT 650W. Isn't 550W too little?

Not for a 12700k and a 970.

 

[Selaya]

Nah. the 12700K caps out at like 200W, which'd leave you with 350-400 for the GPU (and the remainder of your system, but that hardly draws any power). Remember that a PSU usually has some headroom beyond their rating, and basically nothing is capable at loading both CPU and GPU to the max simultaneously.

At 300W you'd be looking at 3080s, which is definitely priced out of your budget.

 

[Why_Me]

Ah, i see. No, i wrote 550W, but @Why_Me suggested EVGA Supernova GT 650W. Isn't 550W too little?

The 650w suggestion was in case you added an RTX 3060 in order to give you some headroom seeing how the Alder Lake systems can be a little power hungry at times.

 

[Selaya]

It's only really the 12900K that's gobbling power like mad (and thus the worst ADL part, imho), both 12600K and 12700K are fine, really.
Besides, when you're gaming (full GPU load) you're very rarely also loading your CPU (unless you're like, remuxing a video or something while gaming but honestly, who does that?), so it shouldn't be an issue

 

[kane nas]

With Black Friday upcoming and my current PC is not doing its job that well any longer, as it is being overly slow and troublesome when it comes to loading etc. + I cannot play any of the new games that I wanna play because of the specs being bad and whatnot + it's about time to get myself a new PC. This time, I am going for an AMD-setup, and it would be great if it would last for a few years, like 5+ years or so. But, I do not need ALL the parts, as I do have some parts available, such as: monitors (I have 4 available), case (FD R6), power supply (I have a G3 650W now), Noctua-fans in various sizes, mouse and a keyboard. I do need the following parts, however:
- CPU
- CPU cooler
- Graphics card
- Memory
- Motherboard
- SSD
- Power supply

I will use my PC primarily for these things, so it should perform these tasks without any issues:
- Livestreaming and streams (running various streaming programs and other apps in the background)
- Multitasking (I stream while I do other things/projects such as web designing)
- Photo + Video rendering + editing (my current PC takes a long time to perform these tasks, to be honest)
- Light gaming (NO FPS. Mostly sports, RPG, adventure and action games. I am NOT picky when it comes to running all games at max performance/quality etc.)

With Black Friday coming up, I am going to scout for some options, but this time, my budget is about $/€1800, plus-minus.

Any thoughts on a setup that would deal with my tasks nicely?

PS: Look at my listed PC specs for my current setup, if that matters...

5900x
Arctick Liquid freezer II 360
Nvidia Rtx 2060
Gskill ddr4 3800 32 gb cl14
Asus strix-E wifi gaming x570
Samsung 980 pro m2 1TB
BE QUIET 850w 80+Gold Full modular

​

​

 

[Why_Me]

5900x
Arctick Liquid freezer II 360
Nvidia Rtx 2060
Gskill ddr4 3800 32 gb cl14
Asus strix-E wifi gaming x570
Samsung 980 pro m2 1TB
BE QUIET 850w 80+Gold Full modular

​

​

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90844550
ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming WIFI II €315,12

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90817875
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X €444,54

vs

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90848813
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 €175,63

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90849193
Intel Core i7 12700KF €361,34

 

[winterwonderland]

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90844550
ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming WIFI II €315,12

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90817875
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X €444,54

vs

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90848813
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 €175,63

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90849193
Intel Core i7 12700KF €361,34

The 650w suggestion was in case you added an RTX 3060 in order to give you some headroom seeing how the Alder Lake systems can be a little power hungry at times.

It's only really the 12900K that's gobbling power like mad (and thus the worst ADL part, imho), both 12600K and 12700K are fine, really.
Besides, when you're gaming (full GPU load) you're very rarely also loading your CPU (unless you're like, remuxing a video or something while gaming but honestly, who does that?), so it shouldn't be an issue

Ohh, how about that! Then i can worry about the PSU at a later point when i get myself a proper GPU than the one i have now.

And yes, i will surely go for the Intel-setup as @Why_Me among others have suggested so nicely.

So with my current 550W, it can still handle the 12600KF/12700KF with the ADL-part, rendering, live streaming, light/basic gaming and multi-tasking/browsing without any problems for the PSU?

 

[dgianstefani]

Honestly, PSUs are cheap, you could get the top tier Seasonic Prime TX titanium 750w for less than the cost of a decent z690 motherboard, and a more reasonably priced PX or GX plat or gold model for half that.

Unless you're waiting for ATX 12VO which isn't going to be the standard for another generation at least, if at all, there's no real reason to not replace the 550w model now, if you're going to do it later anyway.

The differences between PSU efficiency at load can often mean 10-20W of waste heat saved from being put into your case.

 

[winterwonderland]

Honestly, PSUs are cheap, you could get the top tier Seasonic Prime TX titanium 750w for less than the cost of a decent z690 motherboard, and a more reasonably priced PX or GX plat or gold model for half that.

Unless you're waiting for ATX 12VO which isn't going to be the standard for another generation at least, if at all, there's no real reason to not replace the 550w model now, if you're going to do it later anyway.

The differences between PSU efficiency at load can often mean 10-20W of waste heat saved from being put into your case.

That's very reassuring to read, much appreciated for that. Then i shall definitely keep the current 550W of mine and rather upgrade it at a later point, once i decide to up the GPU.

How is the Prime 750W vs my G3 550W? Is the 750W more quiet than my 550W, seeing as i want as quiet of a setup as possible...

 

[dgianstefani]

The prime series are so efficient most of the time the fan doesn't spin at all.