• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Alder Lake CPUs common discussion

Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
1,174 (0.46/day)
System Name Legion
Processor i9-10850K
Motherboard Asus Prime Z490M Plus
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 F4-3200C16D-32GVK
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 KO Ultra
Storage Team Group MP33 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 + WD Blue 1TB SATA SSD
Display(s) Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440
Case Lian Li 205M
Power Supply PowerSpec 650W 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular PS 650BSM
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 25
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
Software Lots
Joined
Jun 7, 2018
Messages
129 (0.10/day)
System Name Strix-12700K
Processor Intel i7-12700K
Motherboard Asus Strix-A D4
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Memory Thermaltake ToughRam 4 x 8GB DDR4 3600
Video Card(s) Palit RTX 3080 Gaming Pro
Storage Adata XPG S70 1TB PCIe Gen 4 M.2-2280 SSD
Display(s) 4K 50 inch TV and 34 inch MSI Ultrawide screen 144Hz
Case Lian Li LanCool Mesh
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova G4 850w Gold
Mouse Corsair M65 Pro Mouse
Keyboard Corsair STRAFE MK2 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro
Here are my stock scores on R23 and geekbench. I have added my temps too, you can see temp with CPU at 100% I notice its at 3.6ghz, is that the max stock on a 12700k?
View attachment 227549
The score looks a bit on the lower side and the P-Cores should be running at 4.7GHz. Okay, okay was reading too fast and noticed it is all sorted now!
 
Last edited:

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
The score looks a bit on the lower side and the P-Cores should be running at 4.7GHz. Okay, okay was reading too fast and noticed it is all sorted now!

That's completely stock. i don't think it's too bad.
 
Joined
Jun 7, 2018
Messages
129 (0.10/day)
System Name Strix-12700K
Processor Intel i7-12700K
Motherboard Asus Strix-A D4
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Memory Thermaltake ToughRam 4 x 8GB DDR4 3600
Video Card(s) Palit RTX 3080 Gaming Pro
Storage Adata XPG S70 1TB PCIe Gen 4 M.2-2280 SSD
Display(s) 4K 50 inch TV and 34 inch MSI Ultrawide screen 144Hz
Case Lian Li LanCool Mesh
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova G4 850w Gold
Mouse Corsair M65 Pro Mouse
Keyboard Corsair STRAFE MK2 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro
That's completely stock. i don't think it's too bad.
Yep, I did miss a part of the responses as you mentioned core clocks in the 3.7GHz but that was cleared up in the later post. I have pretty much the exact same setup with the 12700K and the Strix-A D4 which for my first ASUS motherboard is not bad at all. Hope you took the cash back offer from ASUS which made it better value... Stock I am getting just over 23,178 and overclocked a fraction over 24,079 so you are absolutely in the same ballpark as I have DDR4 3600 vs DDR4 3200.

PS with the EK setup, what temps do you get for CinebenchR23 at stock if you don't mind me asking? Was thinking of going for a custom loop rather than the AIO at some point?
 
Last edited:

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Yep, I did miss a part of the responses as you mentioned core clocks in the 3.7GHz but that was cleared up in the later post. I have pretty much the exact same setup with the 12700K and the Strix-A D4 which for my first ASUS motherboard is not bad at all. Hope you took the cash back offer from ASUS which made it better value... Stock I am getting just over 23,178 and overclocked a fraction over 24,079 so you are absolutely in the same ballpark as I have DDR4 3600 vs DDR4 3200.

PS with the EK setup, what temps do you get for CinebenchR23 at stock if you don't mind me asking? Was thinking of going for a custom loop rather than the AIO at some point?

Look at max temp on the SS. i have since added a EK 360 PE rad to the EK 280 CE. temps are pretty good tbh-
idle
temps idle.jpg

Gaming-
IMG_0080.JPG
 
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
13,186 (4.97/day)
Location
Sunshine Coast
System Name Black Box
Processor Intel Xeon E3-1260L v5
Motherboard MSI E3 KRAIT Gaming v5
Cooling Tt tower + 120mm Tt fan
Memory G.Skill 16GB 3600 C18
Video Card(s) Asus GTX 970 Mini
Storage Kingston A2000 512Gb NVME
Display(s) AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz
Case Corsair 450D High Air Flow.
Audio Device(s) No need.
Power Supply FSP Aurum 650W
Mouse Yes
Keyboard Of course
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Some worrisome information:

Already posted in this thread:
 
Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
1,174 (0.46/day)
System Name Legion
Processor i9-10850K
Motherboard Asus Prime Z490M Plus
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 F4-3200C16D-32GVK
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 KO Ultra
Storage Team Group MP33 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 + WD Blue 1TB SATA SSD
Display(s) Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440
Case Lian Li 205M
Power Supply PowerSpec 650W 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular PS 650BSM
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 25
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
Software Lots
Some worrisome information:


Read through that and some of the comments.

Seems like two problems, one is that some of the CPUs are not flat on the top. Other has to do with damaging the socket, soft socket.

I'm wondering if the LGA 1200 coolers + adapter affects the 2nd item too. Supposedly some of them are pretty tight as the AL chips are taller. That plus a convex heat spreader (even taller) would I imagine lead to a problem with any weakness in the socket.

i.e. :
1639152652306.png
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,712 (0.84/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) Zotac RTX 2080 Ti
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) Samsung C27HG70
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
Read through that and some of the comments.

Seems like two problems, one is that some of the CPUs are not flat on the top. Other has to do with damaging the socket, soft socket.

I'm wondering if the LGA 1200 coolers + adapter affects the 2nd item too. Supposedly some of them are pretty tight as the AL chips are taller. That plus a convex heat spreader (even taller) would I imagine lead to a problem with any weakness in the socket.

i.e. :
View attachment 228367
1639190059541.png

I am pretty sure it is the the other way around, the overall Z-height is lower on LGA1700. Meaning there is less material to resist bending.
 

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Could less than 1mm decrease in Z height make so much difference. Here are pics of the paste when i took my EK block off on when i changed cases. Maybe the thick EK back plate is working.
IMG_0063.JPG
IMG_0064.JPG
 
Joined
Jun 7, 2018
Messages
129 (0.10/day)
System Name Strix-12700K
Processor Intel i7-12700K
Motherboard Asus Strix-A D4
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Memory Thermaltake ToughRam 4 x 8GB DDR4 3600
Video Card(s) Palit RTX 3080 Gaming Pro
Storage Adata XPG S70 1TB PCIe Gen 4 M.2-2280 SSD
Display(s) 4K 50 inch TV and 34 inch MSI Ultrawide screen 144Hz
Case Lian Li LanCool Mesh
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova G4 850w Gold
Mouse Corsair M65 Pro Mouse
Keyboard Corsair STRAFE MK2 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
9,736 (2.24/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II/Trig
Processor Amd R5 5600G/ Intel 8750H/3800X
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus/crosshair hero 7
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire refference Rx vega 64 EK waterblocked/Rtx 2060/GTX 1060
Storage Silicon power 1TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dellshiter
Case Lianli p0-11 dynamic/strix scar2/aero cool shiter
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock /850 watt ?
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
Look at max temp on the SS. i have since added a EK 360 PE rad to the EK 280 CE. temps are pretty good tbh-
idle
View attachment 228293
Gaming-
View attachment 228294
Wouldn't actually running cinebench for ten minutes and showing those temps tell him and s more about the efficacy of your cooling, I'm not sure idle temps are useful personally.

Just intrigued what custom cooling can do for say crunching loads on those chips.
 

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Shows max temps, just ran R23
max temp.jpg
 
Joined
Nov 27, 2009
Messages
136 (0.03/day)
Cinebench20 run.
Adaptive voltage + offset at -165
LLC mode 2
AC load 25
DC load 100
51 P-core
40 E-core
Load voltage 1.12v @ 66°C
 

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Joined
Nov 25, 2021
Messages
9 (0.14/day)
System Name Poligon
Processor Intel Alder Lake i7 12700K
Motherboard Asus Maximus Hero Z690
Cooling Custom Water Loop Bykski CPU+GPU 360 alphacool 240 Barrow radiators
Memory G.Skill DDR5 Z5 6000 CL36
Video Card(s) Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 FE
Storage Western Digital NvMe SN850 black 2Tb
Display(s) Philips Momentun 436M6VBPAB 43" 4K HDR
Case Silverstone FT05
Power Supply Cooler Master V1000 Platinum
Mouse Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard Steelseries Apex Pro
Software Windows 11

Attachments

  • Asuspromo.jpg
    Asuspromo.jpg
    115.9 KB · Views: 20
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
17,325 (5.54/day)
Location
USA
Folks, Professor Barnatt just did a video that explains a lot that many have found confusing about the Pcore/Ecore dynamic. Learned a few things I didn't know and as some of you know I keep up on specs and whatnot. Worth a watch.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 6, 2021
Messages
976 (2.74/day)
Location
Germany
Processor Intel Core i5 12600K (5.1/4.1/4.3) and tons of others (F.E 5950x, 10900k)
Motherboard MSI Z690 PRO A DDR4
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 Chromax. Black
Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 Mhz CL16 (2x16GB) Gear 1 CR1
Video Card(s) All Ampere, two 6900XTs and other RDNA2, all Turing, all Pascal, Vegas, 980 Tis and older.
Storage Corsair MP 600 Pro 1TB, 4TB Sandisk 3D Ultra, 2x Samsung 870 QVO 4TB external.
Display(s) Gigabyte M32U 4K 144Hz / ASUS ROG STRIX XG27UQR 4K 144Hz / HP X27i 1440p 144Hz
Case Fractal Design Meshify S2 White TG / Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000RPM Fans
Audio Device(s) Bose Companion Series 2 III, Sennheiser GSP600 running through a SoundblasterX G6
Power Supply bequiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1200w Titanium
Mouse G303 Shroud Edition, Model O, G903 Hero, G502 Hero SE, EC2-A
Keyboard ASUS ROG Strix Scope TKL DLX, Corsair K95, Logitech G815
VR HMD Oculus Rift S

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Well seems Intels adoption of Big.Little might not be the big joke it has garnered. Won't be long till AMD announce their take on it.
 
Joined
Nov 25, 2021
Messages
9 (0.14/day)
System Name Poligon
Processor Intel Alder Lake i7 12700K
Motherboard Asus Maximus Hero Z690
Cooling Custom Water Loop Bykski CPU+GPU 360 alphacool 240 Barrow radiators
Memory G.Skill DDR5 Z5 6000 CL36
Video Card(s) Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 FE
Storage Western Digital NvMe SN850 black 2Tb
Display(s) Philips Momentun 436M6VBPAB 43" 4K HDR
Case Silverstone FT05
Power Supply Cooler Master V1000 Platinum
Mouse Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard Steelseries Apex Pro
Software Windows 11
I ordered this backplate to take advantage of my Bykski CPU waterblock. I hope it arrives soon.
LGA1700Backplate.jpg
 
Joined
Jun 16, 2013
Messages
823 (0.26/day)
Location
Australia
System Name Current gaming rig + others...
Processor Core i7-11700K@4.9GHz all core / R5-2600X@stock / FX-8350@stock
Motherboard MSI Z590 Unify / MSI B450 Gaming pro carbon AC / Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Cooling Cryorig R1 Ultimate+2xCorsair ML140 / AMD stock cooler / Thermaltake NiC F4
Memory 32GB kit NeoForza@4600 CL19 / Teamgroup 16GB kit @ 2933 / G.Skill Ripjaws 8GB kit@1600
Video Card(s) MSI RX 5700 XT Evoke OC edition / Sapphire R9 Nano / Sapphire HD7870 GHz edition
Storage M.2 NVME - WD 750 black & Corsair MP510 / Lots of SSDs...
Display(s) Samsung 32" Odyssey G5 / Numerous Philips LCD panels...
Case Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 Rev.B / Lots of nice cheap cases!
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar AE 7.1, Razer Tiamat 7.1/ Onboard for the rest of them...
Power Supply Corsair RM750x / Silverstone ST60F-Ti / Silverstone SST-ST55F-G
Mouse MSI Interceptor DS300 + Lots of optical mice!
Keyboard Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth
Software Win10 64bit x 3
Benchmark Scores PCMark10 because its best benchmark ALL of system. https://www.3dmark.com/pcm10b/1336
Well seems Intels adoption of Big.Little might not be the big joke it has garnered. Won't be long till AMD announce their take on it.
Chipzilla has always led the industry with innovations, big.LITTLE is no exception.
 

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
Chipzilla has always led the industry with innovations, big.LITTLE is no exception.

Big. Little is a good idea, phones have been using it for ages, no one using a phone whines about it. Intel using it is a good idea, if it is properly implemented it is a good energy saving system. there's no point using a 500hp truck to go to the shops is there, the little fiesta is great for that, so i get it. Maybe some don't.
Amd will implement it at some point no doubt.
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 31, 2016
Messages
3,153 (1.52/day)
Location
Currently Norway
System Name Bro2
Processor Ryzen 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling Corsair h115i pro rgb
Memory 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14
Video Card(s) Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz
Storage M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB
Display(s) LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950
Case Fractal Design G
Audio Device(s) Realtec 5.1
Power Supply Corsair AXi 760W / Seasonic 750W GOLD
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech slim
Software Windows 10 64 bit
Big. Little is a good idea, phones have been using it for ages, no one using a phone whines about it. Intel using it is a good idea, if it is properly implemented it is a good energy saving system. there's no point using a 500gp truck to go to the shops is there, the little fiesta is great for that, so i get it. Maybe some don't.
Amd will implement it at some point no doubt.
I though phones use only little with no big. None of the cores is x86 architecture but ARM. Phones are also different devices than a computer chip. Just because phones are using smaller chips doesnt mean the computers has to as well because nobody is complaining. This approach is to reduce power only. That is the only logical reason and marketing reason.
They need way less processing power and the difference in cores in the phone is due to money saving and clock higher which is faster.
 

Tigger

I'm the only one
Supporter
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Messages
13,859 (2.39/day)
System Name Dirty Fecker
Processor Intel I7 12700K 5ghz-P 3.9ghz-E 1.25vcore
Motherboard Asus Rog Strix Z690-A WiFi D4
Cooling EK 360 PE+EK 280 CE, FLT 240 D5, EK supremacy classic, Generic GPU block
Memory Teamgroup 8 Pack Edition T-Force Dark Pro 2x16gb 3735 16-16-16-38 Bdie
Video Card(s) MSI GTX980TI Gaming 6gb, 1475/8000 water cooled
Storage Silicon Power Gen3x4 256gb M.2, WD SN850 1TB M.2 NVME Gen4x4
Display(s) MSI 32" Optix AG32CV 1080p 165hz 1ms
Case Lian Li o11 Dynamic XL Rog
Audio Device(s) onboard/Logitech Z4
Power Supply Corsair TX750M 80% Gold
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Anne pro II
Software Win 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores do they matter
I though phones use only little with no big. None of the cores is x86 architecture but ARM. Phones are also different devices than a computer chip. Just because phones are using smaller chips doesnt mean the computers has to as well because nobody is complaining. This approach is to reduce power only. That is the only logical reason and marketing reason.
They need way less processing power and the difference in cores in the phone is due to money saving and clock higher which is faster.

the way phones use it is similar to PC use. big chip/section for high power apps, Small chip/section for low power apps. The intention is to create a multi-core processor that can adjust better to dynamic computing needs and use less power than clock scaling alone. which is exactly what Intels Big.Little is doing.
ARM big.LITTLE is a heterogeneous computing architecture developed by ARM Holdings, coupling relatively battery-saving and slower processor cores (LITTLE) with relatively more powerful and power-hungry ones (big). Typically, only one "side" or the other will be active at once, but all cores have access to the same memory regions, so workloads can be swapped between Big and Little cores on the fly.
 
Joined
May 31, 2016
Messages
3,153 (1.52/day)
Location
Currently Norway
System Name Bro2
Processor Ryzen 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling Corsair h115i pro rgb
Memory 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14
Video Card(s) Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz
Storage M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB
Display(s) LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950
Case Fractal Design G
Audio Device(s) Realtec 5.1
Power Supply Corsair AXi 760W / Seasonic 750W GOLD
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech slim
Software Windows 10 64 bit
the way phones use it is similar to PC use. big chip/section for high power apps, Small chip/section for low power apps. The intention is to create a multi-core processor that can adjust better to dynamic computing needs and use less power than clock scaling alone. which is exactly what Intels Big.Little is doing.
ARM big.LITTLE is a heterogeneous computing architecture developed by ARM Holdings, coupling relatively battery-saving and slower processor cores (LITTLE) with relatively more powerful and power-hungry ones (big). Typically, only one "side" or the other will be active at once, but all cores have access to the same memory regions, so workloads can be swapped between Big and Little cores on the fly.
Yes I agree but why do you think this is a good approach for a PC? Just because phones are using it and as a battery powered devices need this solution? No matter how you slice it, it all comes down to power consumption balance with performance and that is why Intel used this approach. Not to mention, change the core count to tackle AMD's products. It still doesn't explain any other benefit that would this approach give to a PC market. How I see it, It is better to use little core for Intel and AMD because they don't need to advance their technology that much. They just use slower, less power hungry cores show some sort of improvement and still advertise a CPU as 16c despite half of them is small cores. Don't you see that this is some sort of marketing scheme here? Now you say it would have been nice to have this approach in a PC. I understand the smartphone market but PC?
When you say high power apps? Meaning more demanding apps which will use the processors high performance cores all the time. These cores can do 'lower power apps' (you would say it that way) as well and faster than any smaller core. The fact is it is not necessary and thus smaller cores are fast enough to keep things going. Use less power and have more cores since the smaller cores are smaller than bigger obviously and you can pack more. Either way, I dont think this approach is a good idea for a PC, just because phones are using it and nobody complains.
 
Top