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There is a rather depressing thought that very soon after technological life can send radio signals it terminates itself with nuclear war; this would explain why we don't detect technological life.

There is another interesting argument that says that one is most likely to be born where the human population is the greatest (in time), which, if true, would mean that there are unlikely to be many humans in the future, and this would tally with the first argument.
 
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why would thay use radio signals ? just because we use them, it could be very primitive to some other life and thay have found something much better that dont bleed every time thay use it and then theres us yes humans we not nice we kill and eat everything all roads lead to war and the whole planet is set in a slow death dive to distruction and most dont give a shit. what self respecting life form from another world/s would come near us eh ?
 
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To be fair:
"The Math" can only show a percentage chance of it being so - It does not nor can show it as an absolute to say life is out there.
Yes - There is a possibility of it, yet until something that's of concrete substance going beyond math appears, personally I can't really believe it myself.

Even if life that's of a microbial nature is discovered elsewhere, that in itself doesn't mean you've got life capable of sending signals out there.....
But would certainly up the odds of it being possible.
Without direct observation you can't say anything with certainty (and with quantum states, even observation can tamper with evidence to the point where there can be doubt as to the validity of your result. But that's not relevant in this discussion and is a whole can of worms anyhow), but we can say something is "probable to the point of being certain", which basically means if it's exceedingly unlikely something isn't the case, it probably is the case. Occam's razor and all that. The simplest and most likely result is most often the case; in this case the mathematics favor the existence of alien lifeforms somewhere (although at this stage in our progression as a species most likely unobservable) to the point where it's so probable it might as well be 100% (see 0.00000000001% chance that we're alone in just our galaxy, let alone the billions upon billions of other galaxies. Even if we assume only 1 in 100 billion planets can sustain life, that still means there's roughly one planet per galaxy, which means there would be billions upon billions of planets with life on them in our universe).

It's unproven, and unobserved (thus far), but the chance of non-terrestrial lifeforms is ~100% in our universe. We might never come in contact with them, and they might not be intelligent to the point of being able to communicate, but the odds are so much in favor of there being life somewhere that it's just illogical to think otherwise.
 
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I'll just put it out here ~

A close up of the Earth marble; a reflection of the alien is seen on the surface
Over the shoulder shot of the alien who has flung the Earth marble, a warped reflection is seen in it
The alien's reflection is seen in the Milky Way marble
The alien's reflection is seen in the Milky Way marble as its arm reaches down to pick it up


We're just so puny that to rule out lack of all "alien life" out there would be akin to a virus, when he's inside a host, thinking it's the only game in town!
 
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that clip from MiB sure do some it up bud. :)
 
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There is a rather depressing thought that very soon after technological life can send radio signals it terminates itself with nuclear war; this would explain why we don't detect technological life.

There is another interesting argument that says that one is most likely to be born where the human population is the greatest (in time), which, if true, would mean that there are unlikely to be many humans in the future, and this would tally with the first argument.
There is that possibility, but so far I have not found a research like this one for Mars, about exo-planets. Maybe those are too far to make such claims?

But we do know, how to detect "atomic energy signatures". So question is: can we detect it? & if we can, why haven't we done it already?
 
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But we do know, how to detect "atomic energy signatures".
Because pretty much every star out there is an "atomic energy signature"
 
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Because pretty much every star out there is an "atomic energy signature"
Signature of atomic war with fission weapons, make different signatures in radiation of elements - then fussion powered stars.

Next time, read 1st - before posting.
 
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1: Without direct observation you can't say anything with certainty (and with quantum states, even observation can tamper with evidence to the point where there can be doubt as to the validity of your result.

2: But that's not relevant in this discussion and is a whole can of worms anyhow), but we can say something is "probable to the point of being certain", which basically means if it's exceedingly unlikely something isn't the case, it probably is the case. Occam's razor and all that. The simplest and most likely result is most often the case; in this case the mathematics favor the existence of alien lifeforms somewhere (although at this stage in our progression as a species most likely unobservable) to the point where it's so probable it might as well be 100% (see 0.00000000001% chance that we're alone in just our galaxy, let alone the billions upon billions of other galaxies. Even if we assume only 1 in 100 billion planets can sustain life, that still means there's roughly one planet per galaxy, which means there would be billions upon billions of planets with life on them in our universe).

3: It's unproven, and unobserved (thus far), but the chance of non-terrestrial lifeforms is ~100% in our universe. We might never come in contact with them, and they might not be intelligent to the point of being able to communicate, but the odds are so much in favor of there being life somewhere that it's just illogical to think otherwise.
I'll break down my response as follows:

1: Which goes back to my point - There is nothing that indicates in any way there is something aside from us out there.

2: You are correct about one thing here - The worms.

Probrably this morning I'm going out to grab an early morning bite but there are sooooo many variables between me (Personally) and me actually having it (The breakfast) in my hand, each variable either adding up to or against me having it in that way.

By it's definition even Occam's Razor isn't an absolute, it says "Most Likely" based on condition(s) of established simplicity.

In the case of simplicity, it's a condition of all variables possible to be removed have been to simplify the information which, in turn will hopefully point to a specific thing or direction.....
However in this case, since we are still FAR from having all the data/evidence there is no way it can be broken down to such simplicity, at least we can't do it with the data we currently have to work with.
Occam's Razor can probrably answer an issue that's direct such as a "Yes" or "No" kind of thing but there are times and things you just cannot boil down to something so simple, aside from the final "Yes" or "No" answer in the end.

3: That's the point - Until it's proven one cannot honestly say it as a certainty. Even if it seems logical to do, say or even believe one thing, how many times has the universe made just the opposite reality?

Used to be for example a Black Hole's gravity well was so powerful nothing; As in N.O.T.H.I.N.G. would or could ever escape it's gravity well and that was the thing we knew about them.... Or we thought we did.
Not too long ago lines of magnetic force were observed, researched and proven as fact to be emanating from them, generated by them and these were expanding and contracting in AND out.
Our knowledge was once again tripped up and that goes back to our knowledge being incomplete.

You can't rule out a variable if you don't know it even exists in the first place and logically (To me) I cannot and will not say it in such terms or assign a percentage value to it. Until we have something that's actual concrete evidence like an overloaded Vegas Casino sign pointing to it I'm not.
I can only say that's is possible...... But at the same time it's certainly not fact...
Yet.
 
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Signature of atomic war with fission weapons, make different signatures in radiation of elements - then fussion powered stars.

Next time, read 1st - before posting.
At such extreme distances, I am very doubtful you could tell any such difference.
 
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These signals are a bit like 'new battery technology discovered'.

Its never true and it genuinely feels like they're just trying to keep things exciting for us.
 
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why would thay use radio signals ? just because we use them, it could be very primitive to some other life and thay have found something much better that dont bleed every time thay use it and then theres us yes humans we not nice we kill and eat everything all roads lead to war and the whole planet is set in a slow death dive to distruction and most dont give a shit. what self respecting life form from another world/s would come near us eh ?
(A part of) what we see as microwave background radiation may be their radio communication signals ... but the encryption keys are several terabits long.
 
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Its never true
Really? You must be reading something we aren't.

(A part of) what we see as microwave background radiation may be their radio communication signals ... but the encryption keys are several terabits long.
Even that would probably register on a static band, which is what we look for.

Assuming of course, they use radio like we do.
 
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Little grey ones live on the damn moon, they told Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong to get off and stay off the moon when we made first contact in the 60's with them. Buzz been trying for years to tell people the truth about it but nobody believes him.
 
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