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Hi there,



I am wondering if I could have some advice.

My system is solid at the moment and can pretty much max out most games and attain a min 60 fps at 1440p as I slightly overclock my gpu.

My question is do you think my current pc will be ok to upgrade?

I have the following;

ASUS Rog Strix G15DH-UKO49T Gaming PC
AMD Ryzen 5 3600x 6 core – 3.6ghz ( boost 4.2ghz )
16gb sdRAM DDR4
256gb SSD + 1tb hdd
GTX 1660TI 6GB


Was thinking of upgrading the the gpu first for maybe a RX6600 - XT

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Justin
 
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Yes, it should be fully upgradeable. ASUS rarely uses hardware whitelists.
Power-wise you are also fine. Asus had a variant with 2070s feeding off that same puny PSU, so RX6600XT won't be a problem.
 
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How many watts can the PSU output? Other than that, just make sure the new GPU length can fit and also the PSU has enough 6+2pins for your new card
 
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How many watts can the PSU output? Other than that, just make sure the new GPU length can fit and also the PSU has enough 6+2pins for your new card
His PSU is more than enough for 6600XT. That same system also shipped w/ 2070s and I doubt they are using a different PSU for it.
 
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Personally I'd upgrade the motherboard first, B450 doesn't really take full advantage of your cpu and will seriously hamper a 6600xt I think as it's only a 8xlane card effectively halving the bandwidth on pcie gen 3.0 compared to gen 4 you can also then fit faster nvme drives.
 

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"UKO49T" gives us nothing on google to narrow it down from the other Asus models, you'll have to show us the complete specs (from the order form, or by physically checking - windows cant read a PSU label)

The 3600x is still modern and a solid mid range CPU - I'd say a GPU upgrade (within the limits of your PSU) is the best option, followed by a larger SSD later (the older HDD's can cause occasional stuttering on some modern games)

Personally I'd upgrade the motherboard first, B450 doesn't really take full advantage of your cpu and will seriously hamper a 6600xt I think as it's only a 8xlane card effectively halving the bandwidth on pcie gen 3.0 compared to gen 4 you can also then fit faster nvme drives.
What? B450 is full x16 3.0
Changing mobo would give zero performance gains here, which is what he's asked for.
 
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What? B450 is full x16 3.0
Changing mobo would give zero performance gains here
6600xt is a pcie 4.0 x8 card running it on 3.0 effectively halves the bandwidth he could either upgrade the board to b550 or x570 or just look for a different gpu that doesn't cheap out on PCIe lanes.

 
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with this system i'd upgrade the psu something around a 750w or 850w gold rating and a gpu of rtx 3060ti or 6700xt
and i'd leave the rest as it is because they are still good components.
id upgrade the other parts system later on
 
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6600xt is a pcie 4.0 x8 card running it on 3.0 effectively halves the bandwidth he could either upgrade the board to b550 or x570 or just look for a different gpu that doesn't cheap out on PCIe lanes.

There's almost no performance difference even on PCIE 2.0 and you're recommending him to upgrade the mobo first???
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There's almost no performance difference even on PCIE 2.0 and you're recommending him to upgrade the mobo first???
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1-2% across most games but many newer games were talking 15%+ and with the newer consoles in full swing games will only develop faster, if I'm paying for a gpu in the current market I'd sure want the most out of it as I can especially to play future titles.
 
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"UKO49T" gives us nothing on google to narrow it down from the other Asus models, you'll have to show us the complete specs
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X Processor
RAM: 16 GB / Storage: 1 TB HDD & 256 GB SSD
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB
Mobo is something like Prime B450M-A CSM, which is cheap but more than adequate.
PSU is an OEM 500W 80+ Gold (most likely FSP, so not too bad). That same PC also had a variant with 2070Super, so power is not really an issue.

Personally I'd upgrade the motherboard first, B450 doesn't really take full advantage of your cpu and will seriously hamper a 6600xt I think as it's only a 8xlane card effectively halving the bandwidth on pcie gen 3.0 compared to gen 4 you can also then fit faster nvme drives.
The difference is negligible. We barely started hitting a PCIe 2.0 bottleneck on the high-end, so bandwidth is the last thing OP should worry about.

with this system i'd upgrade the psu something around a 750w or 850w gold rating and a gpu of rtx 3060ti or 6700xt
Why? I'm running 3070Ti off a 550W Seasonic, and even at peak power it barely breaks the sweat.
Even official spec lists 500W as recommended minimum for RX 6600XT. If anything, that 850W PSU will only add to his electric bill along with pointless expenses.
 

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Yes, it should be fully upgradeable. ASUS rarely uses hardware whitelists.
Power-wise you are also fine. Asus had a variant with 2070s feeding off that same puny PSU, so RX6600XT won't be a problem.
What psu Watts does it have out of interest?
I was thinking of buying a 750w gold anyway to support with overclocking and managing temps etc? Think I can get even more out of gtx 1660ti but don’t want to go over 78 degrees
 

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500W Gold FSP is fine, especially with a 65W CPU
He could run a 3090 with that, just.

PCI-E 3.0 8x can handle anything. That 15% performance loss you speak of was an anomaly, and you need to provide sources for wild claims like that.

6600XT will pretty much double performance for a small power consumption increase, go for it
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Mobo is something like Prime B450M-A CSM, which is cheap but more than adequate.
PSU is an OEM 500W 80+ Gold (most likely FSP, so not too bad). That same PC also had a variant with 2070Super, so power is not really an issue.


The difference is negligible. We barely started hitting a PCIe 2.0 bottleneck on the high-end, so bandwidth is the last thing OP should worry about.


Why? I'm running 3070Ti off a 550W Seasonic, and even at peak power it barely breaks the sweat.
Even official spec lists 500W as recommended minimum for RX 6600XT. If anything, that 850W PSU will only add to his electric bill along with pointless expenses.
Answers it. Thanks very helpful.

500W Gold FSP is fine, especially with a 65W CPU
He could run a 3090 with that, just.

PCI-E 3.0 8x can handle anything. That 15% performance loss you speak of was an anomaly, and you need to provide sources for wild claims like that.

6600XT will pretty much double performance for a small power consumption increase, go for it
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Yeah this is what I was thinking. I OC the gtx 1660ti on core about +180 and +1000 on mem which boosts it. Tbh it runs hitman 3 at 1440p above 60fps ( without ray tracing of course but don’t care about that )
Just think long about future proofing but not at extreme cost!!!
 

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Totally agree that upgrading the motherboard will practically be a total waste of money.
If anything, that 850W PSU will only add to his electric bill along with pointless expenses.
Wait, wut?
 

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If anything, that 850W PSU will only add to his electric bill along with pointless expenses.

Oh bogo, you've made the comment of shame. Listed wattages are their safe maximum, not what they constantly use.

Efficiency of PSU's is highest around the 80% mark - so to save 5W, get slightly more than you need.
 

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Oh bogo, you've made the comment of shame. Listed wattages are their safe maximum, not what they constantly use.

Efficiency of PSU's is highest around the 80% mark - so to save 5W, get slightly more than you need.
I remember when my relative thought that a PSU will draw the rated wattage all the time, so a bigger wattage PSU = more used electricity. :banghead:
 
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I remember when my relative thought that a PSU will draw the rated wattage all the time, so a bigger wattage PSU = more used electricity. :banghead:

Yeah my parents also used to think that and really did not like the idea of my previous 650W PSU along with my GPU upgrade so I had to explain that no it doesn't work like that.
To put a complete end to that 'issue' I bought a power consumption meter and had my PC plugged in that for a month then told them what was the usage, did not hear a word since. :laugh: 'it was way lower than what they expected'
 
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Oh bogo, you've made the comment of shame.
A comment of shame? I think you guys completely misunderstood what I'm trying to say here.
Either he sticks to 500W and sits at rated 80+ efficiency across the entire range, or spends a ridiculous amount of money only to benefit from that 80+ gold badge during heavy gaming, with a single benefit of having "headroom" for future upgrades (which realistically is going to be a whole rig replacement). Don't forget that during normal "household" use he'll be sitting wa-a-a-ay below 20% draw for 850W unit, e.g. in the LEAST effective range. 80+ standard only covers 20-100% range and don't really care about what happens below that. I may be nitpicking when it comes to efficiency, but I always look at it as 10-15W that could power few LED lightbulbs in my apartment.

Either way, recommending an 850W PSU for a system that barely breaks 350W at full load is objectively stupid. 500W is more than enough.
 
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The difference is negligible. We barely started hitting a PCIe 2.0 bottleneck on the high-end, so bandwidth is the last thing OP should worry about.
I'm guessing that's the issue with that card on certain titles it's effectively running at PCIe 2.0
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I'm purely reading between the lines on w1zzards review the games that took the biggest hits on the 6600xt weren't anomalies they were console ports, as many new consoles have released in the last 12 months I'm imagining many new titles to come will be console ports. Things like God of war and uncharted are going to be on many gamers minds and they will probably be console ports.

Personally I wouldn't want to pay for a gpu in the current market if I ran the risk of such a performance drop so if that card was my only option I would upgrade the motherboard or as I said spend the extra cash needed for the mb on getting a card that used x16 lanes.
 
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I'm guessing that's the issue with that card on certain titles it's effectively running at PCIe 2.0
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I'm purely reading between the lines on w1zzards review the games that took the biggest hits on the 6600xt weren't anomalies they were console ports, as many new consoles have released in the last 12 months I'm imagining many new titles to come will be console ports. Things like God of war and uncharted are going to be on many gamers minds and they will probably be console ports.

Personally I wouldn't want to pay for a gpu in the current market if I ran the risk of such a performance drop so if that card was my only option I would upgrade the motherboard or as I said spend the extra cash needed for the mb on getting a card that used x16 lanes.

From what I saw in other reviews like the one in HW unboxed, the biggest difference was in Doom Eternal where the 6600 XT droped below even the 5600 XT if it was used in a 3.0 mobo.
In overall they came to ~5% difference between 3.0 and 4.0 after testing various games.

To be honest I'm also not a fan of that, sure in most cases the difference is minimal but if you buy new cards for the next 3-4 years like I do then who knows whats gonna happen. 'you could argue that you would upgrade mobo meanwhile but not necessarily, for example I'm still on my B350'
 
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Either way, recommending an 850W PSU for a system that barely breaks 350W at full load is objectively stupid. 500W is more than enough.
Indeed. The sweet spot of power supplies is between the 40-60% range of total power.

Per my system specs <= this build has an 800W PSU (it's 80 Plus Titanium for what that's worth), Ryzen 5900X and RTX 3080. 60% of 800 watts is 480 watts which is probably close to what my system is using during gaming. 75% is 600 watts and there's no way I have enough components in this case to put such a load.

Recommending an 850W PSU for a 6-core Ryzen CPU and a 1080p graphics card like the RX 6600 XT (1 8-pin power connector) is nuts. Now I'm all for paying good money for quality power supplies and slightly overprovisioning but OP's usage case doesn't require this power capacity.
 
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Indeed. The sweet spot of power supplies is between the 40-60% range of total power.

that's a dangerous generalization, that can vary a lot



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It's important to note that how much power your computer uses varies. Unless you are mining or just playing games, most likely it will be on the low side.

That's why the 40-60% range is a perfectly reasonable general guideline. It's not gospel nor etched on stone tablets.

that's a dangerous generalization, that can vary a lot

For people with highly specific usage cases, a more careful analysis might be in order but that's not the case here for the OP's situation. Go back and read the original post.

As you can see from the latter 650W PSU graph, the 40-60% range (260 W - 390 W) is actually pretty close to the peak. The falloff of efficiency between 260 W and 390 W is less than 1% which is splitting hairs for a consumer workload.

I know the tendency for some Q&A forum participants is to dive off into the deep end and seek out extremely unlikely esoteric situations or overly complicated explanations but often that sort of stance ends up being pedantic more than helpful.

In my opinion I don't think Joe Consumer needs to look at PSU efficiency graphs.

Did your mom analyze exactly how much time her car spends at various speeds and pore over fuel efficiency curves before she purchased her vehicle? If she did, then she did a smashing job in raising her children.

:p :D :)
 
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It's important to note that how much power your computer uses varies. Unless you are mining or just playing games, most likely it will be on the low side.

That's why the 40-60% range is a perfectly reasonable general guideline. It's not gospel nor etched on stone tablets.



For people with highly specific usage cases, a more careful analysis might be in order but that's not the case here for the OP's situation. Go back and read the original post.

As you can see from the latter 650W PSU graph, the 40-60% range (260 W - 390 W) is actually pretty close to the peak. The falloff of efficiency between 260 W and 390 W is less than 1% which is splitting hairs for a consumer workload.

I know the tendency for some Q&A forum participants is to dive off into the deep end and seek out extremely unlikely esoteric situations or overly complicated explanations but often that sort of stance ends up being pedantic more than helpful.

In my opinion I don't think Joe Consumer needs to look at PSU efficiency graphs.

Did your mom analyze exactly how much time her car spends at various speeds and pore over fuel efficiency curves before she purchased her vehicle? If she did, then she did a smashing job in raising her children.

:p :D :)

When you are using it on the "low side" or idle, efficiency is a bit irrelevant, between 70 and 90% of close to nothing is still nothing. It becomes relevant at higher loads where 10 or 20% differences may be a lot. I was just trying to tell you that you can't slap a 40-60 or 30-50 or whatever, they vary a lot from PSU to PSU as you can see from 2 random examples. That's all.
 
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