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I hope they don't. If AMD goes down, Intel won't have a competitor, which means that they can bump up the prices as they see fit. So if AMD goes down, the end consumer loses out.
YEAH i have to agree there. but i think that sony/ibm need to put out the cell processor with more cache and a wayy better branch predictor. those are the two big things that are holding the cell back from being an actual cpu. imagine....$800 cell-full capability...$600-one spe disabled, etc. i know it would cost alot of money to develop a chipset to support the cell, but i doubt that'd be the big problem. does the cell support all the instructions k10 will support and core 2 supports? idk about that, but isn't that just building instruction sets into the firmware? ibm and sony are huge, if they wanted to they could come in with the cell 2 years down the road when there are really programs that makes use of the multi-core architectures. with the cell, there would be 3 compeitors, driving price down and performance up at a much faster rate, well, if they can break the pace amd/intel is setting right now
 
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leave it to Casheti to say something nice, kind and full of thought.
 

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eh, im not worried. amd is a strong company and ati was doing just fine. and if they do fall flat then somebody will buy them up to make them profitable. it happens all the time. as consumers the only thing we need to worry about is price and if by some chance there is less competition we simply will boycott GPUs until they lower prices.
 
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I hope intel collectively get rabies and syphilis then fall down a set of concrete stairs. AMD has always been the poor man's way to get good performance through understanding the risks of how to overclock your gear and as a student I understood poverty... I've NEVER considered an Intel chip as they're too damn expensive. Viva AMD :D
 

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YEAH i have to agree there. but i think that sony/ibm need to put out the cell processor with more cache and a wayy better branch predictor. those are the two big things that are holding the cell back from being an actual cpu. imagine....$800 cell-full capability...$600-one spe disabled, etc. i know it would cost alot of money to develop a chipset to support the cell, but i doubt that'd be the big problem. does the cell support all the instructions k10 will support and core 2 supports? idk about that, but isn't that just building instruction sets into the firmware? ibm and sony are huge, if they wanted to they could come in with the cell 2 years down the road when there are really programs that makes use of the multi-core architectures. with the cell, there would be 3 compeitors, driving price down and performance up at a much faster rate, well, if they can break the pace amd/intel is setting right now
The Cell is PowerPC architecture, not x86, if we were to have desktop systems based on it, it would be like when the Mac's used PowerPC chips, the hardware isn't compatible, it would end up being way too expensive.
 

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These guys better bounce back. We need two competitors, otherwise, prices go up.
 

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lol :D To go into more detail why the merger was a bad idea, its really very simple, AMD didnt have enough money to start with and took a loan, so of course, with loans comes interest, AMD have to worry also about the interest for their borrowed money, which while I have no idea what the interest could be, you can be sure its going to be another healthy sum. IF AMD had the money to buy ATi, then yes bravo good move, but they didnt, and they will likely be feeling the pain of this particular purchase for the next 5 years.
 

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Hopefully AMD die.
wow your about as smart as a rock.....wait thats insulting the rock.

just because your eather to stupid or inept to build/configuar a proper amd system dosnt mean its amd's fault.......

and if amd dies, i hope you like spending 300 for the cheapist intel cpu, then waiting years for any kinda of real advancment in cpu tech.

we need BOTH companys to keep things from getting stagnant, if amd died....well intel would go back to assraping the consumer like they did when they where top dog b4 the k7 came out.....u know when a p3 333 was 400bucks, the board was 175-275, ah but you probbly liked those days.......HAHA

oh and dont blame AMD for your having a shitty pentium-d, its not their fault your cpu only gets a d avrage :p
 

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ket, u need to take some buisness corses, honestly, i like ya and all but you dont understand this part of buisness, AMD NEEDED ATI, they needed their own chipsets to sell to OEM's like dell.

try and understand this, the reasion dell and the like didnt consider amd wasnt just capacity, it was also that OEM's like to buy a complete packege, chipset and cpu from the same company, it may sound silly but its fact, amd needed to buy ati to get a decent up to date chipset in house to make dell,gateway and the rest take them seirously.

sure they will hurt for it for a while, but not as long as you think, because alot of their debt was also from the new fabs they built to produce more chips(again to help get dell and the like to take them seiously).

"you have to spend money to make money" for intel thats easy they got an over abundance of $,they also have alwase had their own in house chipsets, thus they didnt need to buy another company to get back in the game(server amd chipsets dontcount they are not desktop grade/level sets).

amd wont die, and intel wont try and kill them, at this point intels back on top in the high end enthusist market, where amd was for the past few years when intel was sticking with the crappy nutburst cores *gags*

intel has more research $ but amd has alwase been better at making suprising products for their price, remmber the k5, k6, k6-2, for their price they where great values, and where steller for buisness apps compared to intel(faster), and the k6-2 was faster in games with 3dnow support, the k7 stunned everybody, i mean honestly it knocked intel for a loop and they spent years trying to recover from the k7 and k8, intel made how many diffrent sockets and chips in the 5 years!!!!!!(yes YEARS) amd used socketA?, then k8, well it only got 3-4 years, but they where good years :)
now that intels back on top alot of you seem to think that they are going to crush amd, and thus push this hysteria that amds dieing because they dont have the top enthusist chips anymore....
but what will the same people be saying if/when amd brings out a better chip then intel?
or a better chip then nvidia?

everybody need to chill out and realise that amd isnt in this for the short run, they alwase look 5 steps ahead even if they dont have the money that intel does honestly i think that forces them to be smarter insted of just using market share/force and bruit force to get what they want, look at the p4 days, intel kept pooring $ into researching how to get higher clocks out of the nutburst cores, finnely they realised they couldnt do it and moved over, now compare that with amd, they havent ever dont that in my exp, each of their chips tends to be an evolution on the earlyer ones, the k6 went to the k6-2 then k6-3, then amd put out the k7 and its many variants, then the k8, the k8 being VERY much like the k7 but with updated fetures like 64bit and IMC.

and the ATI side, their biggist problem in the past was their driver support, guess what, that was taken care of, and with AMD owning them its gotten even better, the smaller driver packs are down to under 10mb( i hate CCC so i use ATT)

the companys are not alike in how they do buisness or in how they manage projects, intels getter better at thinking smart, but still, how many years did it take them to adapt? to damn many if you ask me.......sure the k10 is late coming out compared to the c2d, but again, so what, i and most other smart users would rather have a product thats well designed and ready for market then something that was just rushed out to compete.

intel has rushed alot of chips to market(pres-hott anybody?)
in my exp amd hasnt dont that, they have been pushing the clocks on current gen chips to ring the last little bit out of them that they can, but thats to be expected, and when k10 comes out, well i fully expect it to at the very least compete 1:1 with intel clock for clock, then intel will put out something, amd will put out a new steping, intel will put out a new chipset and core(oh boy another forced mobo upgrade), amd will put out a new steping/core, so on and so forth.
the only diffrance i invision being that things will stay closer then they where with p4, and that with amd you wont be doing so many forced board upgrades :)
 

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if they did then nvidia would have more bugs than it has right now..lol.. i think vista is worse than nvidia anyway with the bugs and resource hogging.. thatd be great.. that would pretty much hand them the right to make garbage and force it on everyone, especially if amd and ati go out of business.. I hope that doesn't happen.. Can I go one day without hearing or dealing with the word fan boy? lol. seriously.. it's so gay...
I've read your post a few times. I wonder a few things: What does MS have to do with anything? Since when is Intel known for buggy drivers? How can you compare a product (Vista) to a company (NV)?
 

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wow your about as smart as me.....wait thats insulting you.

just because your eather to stupid or inept to build/configuar a proper amd system dosnt mean its amd's fault.......

and if amd dies, i hope you like spending 300 for the cheapist intel cpu, then waiting years for any kinda of real advancment in cpu tech.

we need BOTH companys to keep things from getting stagnant, if amd died....well intel would go back to assraping the consumer like they did when they where top dog b4 the k7 came out.....u know when a p3 333 was 400bucks, the board was 175-275, ah but you probbly liked those days.......HAHA

oh and dont blame AMD for your having a shitty pentium-d, its not their fault your cpu only gets a d avrage :p
Lol...you're pathetic. I am stating an

OPINION

and you flame me for it. I don't have a go at you for saying what you think, but keep your nasty comments to yourself you fucking faggot.

By the way, learn to spell :D

Are you so sad you get off on mario porn?
 

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hey cash, at least my cpu gets an A rating, yours will alwase get a d you noobert :)

and hey your the one whos blaming amd for your own suck factor setting up/buying systems, i alwase laugh when people tell storys about how their amd system they got sucked but when they list the parts they got the parts sucked, then they list the stuff they got for intel and they spend 2x as much to get them(they bought higher end stuff)

hey but just think cash, your cpu is like our pres, it gets the same grades :p
 

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What's the point in having an A class CPU when it's being used by a D class idiot such as yourself?

Seriously...take some spelling classes.

P.S. I don't care about my freakin' hardware to grade it or fight about it, I'm not a geek like you. I play games, that's it.

Have fun with your Mario porn :D
 

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oh hey guys check this, this is how the oh so mature casheti responds to somebody throwing his shit back at him.

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#68
I've read your post a few times. I wonder a few things: What does MS have to do with anything? Since when is Intel known for buggy drivers? How can you compare a product (Vista) to a company (NV)?
not intel.. microsoft.. i always assumed they were hand in hand, my bad.. microsoft makes os's right? nvidia and microsoft work hand in hand to make the os's "compatible" with the chipsets. as do intel and nvidia im sure... i know that much is correct..Im sure u saw how bad vista was lol.. it's getting better but it's still really bad from what i see " and yes i have another pc with it still and still crashes like hell on pinnacle and randomply crashes anyway, especially after going into hibernation" put nvidia and microsoft together i should of said i guess.. that'd be a bad idea.. they'd just make the biggest money hog they could ship out.. like vista..lol.. and then there would be no other people to buy from. it was a completely hypothetical comparison and it was more like a comparison based on a hypothetical merger someone else was talking about.. I have like no trust for nvidia and microsoft after the crap they just let out.. yea it's nice.. when it works.. but if i wanted something that "almost" worked i'd go to a flea market.. not pay thousands for it..
 

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What's the point in having an A class CPU when it's being used by a D class idiot such as yourself?

Seriously...take some spelling classes.

P.S. I don't care about my freakin' hardware to grade it or fight about it, I'm not a geek like you. I play games, that's it.

Have fun with your Mario porn :D
haha, love how kiddies alwase run to the spelling or grammer attacks as soon as they get pwned, good stuff cash, also your little pm spree is pretty funny, and "real gamers dont use nutburst" (note: nutburst= p4 and p-d chips) because THEY SUCK FOR GAMING!!!!!!......hell they just plain suck ROFL
 

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Is it AMD's debt or firewood that's piling up?
 

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Tigger69 used a Pentium D 930 for gaming. Had it over 4GHz. Owns your CPU.

Call me a n00b, you call him a n00b. And the fact is, he's not. He knows what he's doing, he's a good bloke.
 
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#73
wow your about as smart as a rock.....wait thats insulting the rock.

just because your eather to stupid or inept to build/configuar a proper amd system dosnt mean its amd's fault.......

and if amd dies, i hope you like spending 300 for the cheapist intel cpu, then waiting years for any kinda of real advancment in cpu tech.

we need BOTH companys to keep things from getting stagnant, if amd died....well intel would go back to assraping the consumer like they did when they where top dog b4 the k7 came out.....u know when a p3 333 was 400bucks, the board was 175-275, ah but you probbly liked those days.......HAHA

oh and dont blame AMD for your having a shitty pentium-d, its not their fault your cpu only gets a d avrage :p


15 posts and your already insulting people? i wouldnt recommend that...
 

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@Casheti & Ashen
Please stop the childish fighting. If you need to insult each other do it in private.
 

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Tigger69 used a Pentium D 930 for gaming. Had it over 4GHz. Owns your CPU.

Call me a n00b, you call him a n00b. And the fact is, he's not. He knows what he's doing, he's a good bloke.
yeah and even tigger will/would admit the p-d at 4gz cant compete with an amd at 2.7 because guess what, it does 1/3 less work per clock, and has VERY LONG PIPES, if somethings misscaculated or miss predicted it takes that core a long time to flush that pipe, thus its far less efficent then amd's chips, hell your chip isnt even a real dual core, its just 2 p-4's on 1 socket...rofl

note, a p-d at 4gz is ruffly equil to a 2.6gz amd chip, so pretty much any x2 can stomp your p-d at 2gz bullshit :)

oh btw guys check this out, the oh so mature casheti has spamed my msn with file sends, over 800 total( i closed it 2x, then got bord lol, hes such a noob!!! )

despret attempt by a child to get revenge for pointing out that his hardware sucks :p



aint he mature ROFL
 
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