• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD 3870k crashes

Joined
Jul 5, 2007
Messages
180 (0.05/day)
Likes
5
#26
You are completely and unequivocally wrong on this one. Llano benefits very very heavily from each and every extra mhz in ram.
OMG. Every CPU does benefit from every MHz. But you're just overhyping things. Its nice that you point out how CPU benefit 10% or more (while not in fact) just by raising its IMC to work with 15% higher memory setting.

Do you work for AMD marketing department?

Only real benefit from this kind of higher speed ddr3 bus came for GPU but Llano is already doing that reordering/feeding job for GPU pretty lame. Not even mentioning Llanos VLIW5 architecture (AMD Sumo) used in its GPUs ain't nowhere that great in decent utilization of vast shader power it has. But aside of that, its gives up huge gains in RAW GFLOPS MARKETING NUMBERS.
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
26,763 (6.37/day)
Likes
7,666
Location
Houston
System Name Team Blue
Processor 5960X@4.8 1.42v
Motherboard Asus X99M-WS
Cooling EK Supremecy EVO, MCR220-Stack+MCR220+MCR320, D5-PWM+EK X-RES 140
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's+ EVGA reference 1080Ti soon to be under water
Storage Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX
Software W10P
Benchmark Scores Zoom zoom mofo
#27
OMG. Every CPU does benefit from every MHz. But you're just overhyping things. Its nice that you point out how CPU benefit 10% or more (while not in fact) just by raising its IMC to work with 15% higher memory setting.

Do you work for AMD marketing department?

Only real benefit from this kind of higher speed ddr3 bus came for GPU but Llano is already doing that reordering/feeding job for GPU pretty lame. Not even mentioning Llanos VLIW5 architecture (AMD Sumo) used in its GPUs ain't nowhere that great in decent utilization of vast shader power it has. But aside of that, its gives up huge gains in RAW GFLOPS MARKETING NUMBERS.
Nice to see you are just throwing random numbers out with no idea how it works to begin with. :laugh:
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
26,763 (6.37/day)
Likes
7,666
Location
Houston
System Name Team Blue
Processor 5960X@4.8 1.42v
Motherboard Asus X99M-WS
Cooling EK Supremecy EVO, MCR220-Stack+MCR220+MCR320, D5-PWM+EK X-RES 140
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's+ EVGA reference 1080Ti soon to be under water
Storage Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX
Software W10P
Benchmark Scores Zoom zoom mofo
#29
So youre not just flaming while give up much of facts regarding an issue :rolleyes:
Sure can there buddy same 3.6ghz for both overclocked tests using 1866 and 21xx memory















source

here is another




source

Is that enough "proof" for you or should I pull a couple more of the dozens upon dozens of reviews that support memory overclocking is immensely beneficial to Llano?
 

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man
Joined
Jan 28, 2012
Messages
10,538 (4.81/day)
Likes
5,625
Location
Concord, NH
System Name Kratos
Processor Intel Core i7 3930k @ 4.2Ghz
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
Cooling Zalman CPNS9900MAX 130mm
Memory G.Skill DDR3-2133, 16gb (4x4gb) @ 9-11-10-28-108-1T 1.65v
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 390 GAMING 8GB @ PCI-E 3.0
Storage 2x120Gb SATA3 Corsair Force GT Raid-0, 4x1Tb RAID-5, 1x500GB
Display(s) 1x LG 27UD69P (4k), 2x Dell S2340M (1080p)
Case Antec 1200
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek® ALC898 8-Channel High Definition Audio
Power Supply Seasonic 1000-watt 80 PLUS Platinum
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Rosewill RK-9100
Software Ubuntu 17.10
Benchmark Scores Benchmarks aren't everything.
#30
OMG. Every CPU does benefit from every MHz. But you're just overhyping things. Its nice that you point out how CPU benefit 10% or more (while not in fact) just by raising its IMC to work with 15% higher memory setting.

Do you work for AMD marketing department?

Only real benefit from this kind of higher speed ddr3 bus came for GPU but Llano is already doing that reordering/feeding job for GPU pretty lame. Not even mentioning Llanos VLIW5 architecture (AMD Sumo) used in its GPUs ain't nowhere that great in decent utilization of vast shader power it has. But aside of that, its gives up huge gains in RAW GFLOPS MARKETING NUMBERS.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you actually think that what you're saying is true. :confused:

The APUs likes the extra memory bandwidth because of the iGPU, it is as simple as that. The CPU cores will hardly benefit from it. Reviews have shown that the iGPU really does like faster memory and that the gains are significant enough to consider running it. Your post is kind of confusing, before posting I tend to re-read and edit my posts before I reply. I suggest that you do as well to make sure you're conveying the point that you're trying to make, because you post is a little confusing because of the language you used.

You don't need to work for AMD's marketing department to do a little bit of research to find out how it really impacts Llano. Do you have an APU? What experience do you have with an APU that qualifies you to make this claim? No hardware? How about some sources?

How about this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/4
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
26,763 (6.37/day)
Likes
7,666
Location
Houston
System Name Team Blue
Processor 5960X@4.8 1.42v
Motherboard Asus X99M-WS
Cooling EK Supremecy EVO, MCR220-Stack+MCR220+MCR320, D5-PWM+EK X-RES 140
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's+ EVGA reference 1080Ti soon to be under water
Storage Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX
Software W10P
Benchmark Scores Zoom zoom mofo
#31
I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you actually think that what you're saying is true. :confused:

The APUs likes the extra memory bandwidth because of the iGPU, it is as simple as that. The CPU cores will hardly benefit from it. Reviews have shown that the iGPU really does like faster memory and that the gains are significant enough to consider running it. Your post is kind of confusing, before posting I tend to re-read and edit my posts before I reply. I suggest that you do as well to make sure you're conveying the point that you're trying to make, because you post is a little confusing because of the language you used.

You don't need to work for AMD's marketing department to do a little bit of research to find out how it really impacts Llano. Do you have an APU? What experience do you have with an APU that qualifies you to make this claim? No hardware? How about some sources?

How about this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/4
Just a little quote from your source

anandtech said:
Across our seven titles we found that on average DDR3-1600 resulted in a 12.6% increase in performance over DDR3-1333 at 1024 x 768. Moving up to higher resolutions only increased the advantage by under 2%. Using DDR3-1866 showed around a 20% increase in performance over DDR3-1333.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 13, 2011
Messages
252 (0.11/day)
Likes
55
Location
Malaysia
Processor Intel Core i3-2100 @ 3.1 GHz
Motherboard Asus P8H61-M LX (B3)
Cooling Intel stock HSF
Memory 2x 4GB Kingston DDR3 @ 1333 MHz
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Radeon HD 6750 OC
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3
Display(s) HP W2072a 20"
Case Cooler Master Elite 430 Black
Audio Device(s) Integrated (Realtek ALC887)
Power Supply Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 500W
Software Windows 7 Home Premium x64
#32
@vagxtr What now? :laugh:
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2007
Messages
180 (0.05/day)
Likes
5
#33
The APUs likes the extra memory bandwidth because of the iGPU, it is as simple as that. The CPU cores will hardly benefit from it.
That was my conclusion that CPU performance wont benefit from measly 15% in ram speed increase (1866 vs 1600) but GPU in Llano is in the first place botched VLIW5 that was and i wouldn't comment on that Corsair memory scaling graphs. Obviously thy highlight that on as they could benefit from 120%-150% increased memory price from 2133MHz modules of same size over 1600MHz ones.

I only said it ain't worth it to insist on 1866MHz running ram at 1.65V (Corsair Venganece 1866CL9) instead just sticking with its 1600CL9 speeds or it could go d-tour (original poster that has issues) and try to increase CL10 or even CL11 for working with Llano at 1866Mhz to get its stability instead of rising voltage to 1.65V

Just a little quote from your source
Hm those graphs show how much GAMING (GPU) improvement with using 1866 over 1600MHz ram? In best case scenario its 10% (HAWX: 32 vs. 29fps). Of course this gap will be widened at 1920x1080, but this fully featured A8 Llano GPU doesnt have that much power nor Trinity 6CUs for that matter does. It's a budget APU and for gaming on six year ago newish 1680x1050 resolution is more than good option

I wont comment on those Corsair investigation benchmarks. After all they're in memory selling business :D While their graphs are using generic say nothing percentage wise (from what standpoint??) presentation :rolleyes:

Or to rephrase myself with editorial notes
Every CPU does benefit from every memory MHz. But you're just overhyping things. Its nice that you point out how CPU benefit 10% or more (while not in fact) just by raising its IMC to work with 15% higher memory setting.
Its not that CPU itself will benefit for huge amount of its performance while 1600MHz already provides decent enough memory bandwidth. Everything else is beneficial just for AMDs marketing, which is poor enough.

I know man here invested in ""superior 1866MHz memory"" that should work well at those declared speeds. But at what voltage? From my POV there's no reasonable point to go beyond 1600Mhz for Llano based APUs while Trinity might benefit from it but hopefully there should be some ddr3-1866 modules nowadays that are capable of running at 1.35 or 1.5V. Cmon its not 2010 that we should look with exaggeration 4GB ddr3-1600 modules that are capable to tun at 1.35V.

In my not so humble opinion is just poor that TWO 4GB 1866MHz modules should run at anything higher than 1.50V-1.55V. Then again i'm not using hios setup and he might just overvolting its memory "just to be safe" it aint failing "because of low voltage" :rolleyes:
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
26,763 (6.37/day)
Likes
7,666
Location
Houston
System Name Team Blue
Processor 5960X@4.8 1.42v
Motherboard Asus X99M-WS
Cooling EK Supremecy EVO, MCR220-Stack+MCR220+MCR320, D5-PWM+EK X-RES 140
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's+ EVGA reference 1080Ti soon to be under water
Storage Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz
Case Caselabs Mercury S5
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX
Software W10P
Benchmark Scores Zoom zoom mofo
#34
That was my conclusion that CPU performance wont benefit from measly 15% in ram speed increase (1866 vs 1600) but GPU in Llano is in the first place botched VLIW5 that was and i wouldn't comment on that Corsair memory scaling graphs. Obviously thy highlight that on as they could benefit from 120%-150% increased memory price from 2133MHz modules of same size over 1600MHz ones.

I only said it ain't worth it to insist on 1866MHz running ram at 1.65V (Corsair Venganece 1866CL9) instead just sticking with its 1600CL9 speeds or it could go d-tour (original poster that has issues) and try to increase CL10 or even CL11 for working with Llano at 1866Mhz to get its stability instead of rising voltage to 1.65V
What exactly is 1.65v hurting? He purchased ram not designed for the board not on the QVL so it requires a smidge more voltage to get running.

Hm those graphs show how much GAMING (GPU) improvement with using 1866 over 1600MHz ram? In best case scenario its 10% (HAWX: 32 vs. 29fps). Of course this gap will be widened at 1920x1080, but this fully featured A8 Llano GPU doesnt have that much power nor Trinity 6CUs for that matter does. It's a budget APU and for gaming on six year ago newish 1680x1050 resolution is more than good option
Those don't look like gaming benchmarks click the link instead of posting away.

Or to rephrase myself with editorial notes


Its not that CPU itself will benefit for huge amount of its performance while 1600MHz already provides decent enough memory bandwidth. Everything else is beneficial just for AMDs marketing, which is poor enough.

I know man here invested in ""superior 1866MHz memory"" that should work well at those declared speeds. But at what voltage? From my POV there's no reasonable point to go beyond 1600Mhz for Llano based APUs while Trinity might benefit from it but hopefully there should be some ddr3-1866 modules nowadays that are capable of running at 1.35 or 1.5V. Cmon its not 2010 that we should look with exaggeration 4GB ddr3-1600 modules that are capable to tun at 1.35V.

In my not so humble opinion is just poor that TWO 4GB 1866MHz modules should run at anything higher than 1.50V-1.55V. Then again i'm not using hios setup and he might just overvolting its memory "just to be safe" it aint failing "because of low voltage" :rolleyes:
Who cares if it takes more voltage you aren't hurting anything? 1.65v is 10% over 1.5v thats within JEDEC spec.
 
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
772 (0.37/day)
Likes
737
Location
Denmark
System Name Waterfall | Iris
Processor Athlon X4 860K @ 4,4 GHz | i3-6157U
Motherboard ASUS A88X Pro | Acer laptop
Cooling Custom Watercooling | Stock laptop with cooling pad
Memory 2*8GB Avexir Core Blue 2400Hz@1600 DDR3| 2+4GB 2133MHz DDR4
Video Card(s) 2*R9 380 with WC blocks | Iris 550
Storage Crucial BX100 500GB | SK Hynix 256GB SSD + 640GB WD Blue
Display(s) U24E850R+U2515H | Internal 15,6"
Case Fractal Design Define R5 | Laptop
Audio Device(s) Xenyx Q802USB | Realtek
Power Supply SilverStone Strider Gold 850W | 65W 19V Power brick
Keyboard Logitech G610 Orion Brown
Software Windows 7 Professional | Fedora
#35
The only reason I went into the memory thing, is that I HAVE a Llano setup with the same pair of memory sticks, and they do run at XMP profile at 1.5v. I even have it on a Gigabyte board.

And 1866 prices aren't much above 1600 these days.
 

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man
Joined
Jan 28, 2012
Messages
10,538 (4.81/day)
Likes
5,625
Location
Concord, NH
System Name Kratos
Processor Intel Core i7 3930k @ 4.2Ghz
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
Cooling Zalman CPNS9900MAX 130mm
Memory G.Skill DDR3-2133, 16gb (4x4gb) @ 9-11-10-28-108-1T 1.65v
Video Card(s) MSI AMD Radeon R9 390 GAMING 8GB @ PCI-E 3.0
Storage 2x120Gb SATA3 Corsair Force GT Raid-0, 4x1Tb RAID-5, 1x500GB
Display(s) 1x LG 27UD69P (4k), 2x Dell S2340M (1080p)
Case Antec 1200
Audio Device(s) Onboard Realtek® ALC898 8-Channel High Definition Audio
Power Supply Seasonic 1000-watt 80 PLUS Platinum
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Rosewill RK-9100
Software Ubuntu 17.10
Benchmark Scores Benchmarks aren't everything.
#36
Who cares if it takes more voltage you aren't hurting anything? 1.65v is 10% over 1.5v thats within JEDEC spec.
+1: Couldn't have said that better myself. :cool:
Believe it or not, my memory is 1.65v stock using the XMP profile for 2133 (9-11-10-28) and I've felt the memory chips (overclocked to 2333 (10-11-10-30)) and they're lukewarm. Additionally G.Skill said that they chips are supposed to take 1.65v. The only time you have to worry about the DRAM voltage is more on the IMC on the processor and AMD' can handle even higher voltages (albeit not too much more) where Intel's strongly recommends you not exceed 1.65v (since you could fry an INTELIMC... awww.)

But we're talking Llano here, not an Intel CPU so I would say run that puppy as fast as it will go and your Llano CPU will be grateful for the opportunity to run a little faster, but cdawall is 100% correct. 1.65v is within JEDEC specification (granted the top-end,) but within nonetheless.