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AMD 6 Core WCG production discussion

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So, with the release of the new AMD chips with 6 physical cores, there could be some serious potential for AMD crunching. This is the place to discuss your thoughts on expected production from these chips and results you've achieved with them.
 

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I'd figure it would be almost exactly 50% better clock-for-clock than the Phenom II X4s. I disabled 2 of the cores on my X4 955 about a month ago to see how WCG would do with half as many cores (and therefore twice as much L3/core), and the results? Each RICE WU that takes exactly 7 hours (+/- a minute or two) was worth approximately 2% more points. So I'm not sure how it is for the rest of the projects, but if all of the other projects are like RICE, I'd expect a ~48% increase in PPD.
 
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I'd figure it would be almost exactly 50% better clock-for-clock than the Phenom II X4s. I disabled 2 of the cores on my X4 955 about a month ago to see how WCG would do with half as many cores (and therefore twice as much L3/core), and the results? Each RICE WU that takes exactly 7 hours (+/- a minute or two) was worth approximately 2% more points. So I'm not sure how it is for the rest of the projects, but if all of the other projects are like RICE, I'd expect a ~48% increase in PPD.
what u think around 4-5k ppd? im shooting in the dark hre :p
 
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W/E the number it will be a HUGE improvement over my X2 240. I cant wait till I can afford one of these puppies..
 

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what u think around 4-5k ppd? im shooting in the dark hre :p
Well, my estimator, which I've found to be pretty much spot-on in the past for my X4 955 estimates ~2100PPD from my X4 955 @ 3.4ghz...so we'd be looking at around 3k PPD from an X6 1090T @ stock, or around 3800PPD @ 4ghz. Unfortunately not enough to even come close to dethroning an i7 :(
 
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I'll be adding one to my "JUNKYARD" this friday to get crunching at 100% on all 6.I'm hoping for 3,600 per day.
 

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I'll be adding one to my "JUNKYARD" this friday to get crunching at 100% on all 6.I'm hoping for 3,600 per day.
Awesome!
If you can get me some PPD info, I'll see about adding it to the estimator!
 

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I would love to see 4k production at a modest OC (under 4ghz possible?). If that is possible I might replace my i7. Keep us updated :D
 
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I would love to see 4k production at a modest OC (under 4ghz possible?). If that is possible I might replace my i7. Keep us updated :D
I think a I7 will still out crunch it but I bet it is close.
 

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I think you are right. Shouldn't be too long before the numbers present themselves and we know for sure.

One thing is for sure- I would pocket a good amount of money switching to an AMD setup :)
 

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I'd say these x4's would do about 3.8-4k a day going a bit on the low side. Although it doesn't run 8 projects like the i7 it does have six REAL cores who will process more work than the four real cores of a i7 with 2 virtual cores from the HTT. So I don't know, def. a run at the i7 clock for clock in crunching.
 

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i dont know cp it seems in alot of things the virtual cores almost scale as well as real cores it would be close but i7 is still going to have the edge from what ive seen a 3.4ghz x4 compares to a 2.6 i7 roughly untill lots of multi threading takes place id say 3.2ghz the 1090T stock should be about 5-7% slower then the i7 920 at stock
 

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i dont know cp it seems in alot of things the virtual cores almost scale as well as real cores it would be close but i7 is still going to have the edge from what ive seen a 3.4ghz x4 compares to a 2.6 i7 roughly untill lots of multi threading takes place id say 3.2ghz the 1090T stock should be about 5-7% slower then the i7 920 at stock
I don't think it'll match it, but it'll def. be a run IMO. Of course I am just throwing numbers together without much though here :laugh:
 

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well think of it this way compare an i7 to a Phenom II with HT off find out where the clock speeds match up then add 50% ;) not perfect but by that method and other benches... you should be able to get within a few hundred points
 

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well think of it this way compare an i7 to a Phenom II with HT off find out where the clock speeds match up then add 50% ;) not perfect but by that method and other benches... you should be able to get within a few hundred points
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alright take a Phenom II 965 compare it to an i7 with HT OFF 4 cores vs 4 cores then compare to with HT on... then by finding out what the 4 extra threads add look at the phenom II and add half its current PPD to the total and you should have a rough estimate of where each stands


example i7 at 4 thread - 2000 pts with 8 threads its 4000

phenom II 4 threads is 1700 pts but with 6 threads is 2550 or something like that

not exact but you can see where im going you have i7s and a phenom quad ;) crunch some numbers and there ya go
 

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alright take a Phenom II 965 compare it to an i7 with HT OFF 4 cores vs 4 cores then compare to with HT on... then by finding out what the 4 extra threads add look at the phenom II and add half its current PPD to the total and you should have a rough estimate of where each stands


example i7 at 4 thread - 2000 pts with 8 threads its 4000

phenom II 4 threads is 1700 pts but with 6 threads is 2550 or something like that

not exact but you can see where im going you have i7s and a phenom quad ;) crunch some numbers and there ya go
I get what you mean now, so my estimations are somewhat reasonable. Right?
 
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So, there are 4 physical cores, but each core can read 2 different threads of information at a time? Ahhh... now i see.
Yep. From what I've seen, i7s tend to do ~35% better for WCG with HT enabled vs disabled, but this is really the upper limit of the performance boost from HT. (it does 2x as many WUs at once, but each one takes longer)
 
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Yep. From what I've seen, i7s tend to do ~35% better for WCG with HT enabled vs disabled, but this is really the upper limit of the performance boost from HT. (it does 2x as many WUs at once, but each one takes longer)
So Intel's hyper-threading is different than AMD HT-Link? Thats what was confusing me, its a 4 core but can do 8 threads of info.
 

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QPI is the Intel version of HyperTransport

The thing with i7s (from my exp) is that it gets more WUs done, but they all under report, so you get less points per WU. The sheer number of WUs done however still increases your PPD by that 35% or so.