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AMD A-Series APU Smashes IGP Performance Records...Surprise

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WOW!! I wasn't expecting anywhere near that performance from an IGP. You could play even the latest games with that performance.
 

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Yeah, thats mighty impressive, I remember seeing 10k scores on ATI 4870's, this is pretty crazy.
 
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what about dual socketed MB's,and x-fire the cpu's is it possible?

but excited to see these performing so well.
 
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This is great.. for people who are allergic to graphics cards..

To me it seems like having two perfectly good baskets, and then placing all your eggs in one of them.

Even to OEMs.. does it matter if you have a CPU and a Graphics Card instead of a CPU that has a GPU inside of it?

It's actually worse, because the user would have to replace both the CPU and GPU if one of them died, since they are in the same package.


I think that instead of creating more powerful Integrated GPUs, for the "We don't know what a graphics card is" crowd..

You should educate people that a graphics card is better.
You have to remember,it cost more to have them separate, it takes more power to have them separate. While I agree having a discrete graphics card is better for enthusiasts and gamers, we are the minority of computer users. This will save money for OEMs and people who buy pre-built computers, which is just about everyone, allowing them to do alot more with a computer that costs alot less. Think about the applications for this in the mobile market, getting a laptop with even the lowest end discrete graphics card cost at least $100 more than a similarly configured laptop without the discrete card. Now everyone can get discrete level performance for less while using less battery power as well. AMD has created the perfect solution for almost everyone. Consider yourself educated about how, while yes graphics cards are better, chips like these are better for the majority of users.
 
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If anyone bothers to read the source they will quickly realize that the story is not reported correctly.

GPU was overclocked, from 600mhz to 870mhz.
Memory at 2320mhz, not 1333mhz.

So, 10,492 in 3dMark06 overclocked
and, 7,650 in 3dMark06 with stock CPU and GPU

"here is my setting
CPU: AMD APU A8-8350 @3.77GHz aircooling
MB: Gigabyte A75M-UD2H
DDR OC 2320MHz
FSB: 145 MHz ( Stock is 100MHz, oc 45%)
iGPU: 870 MHz, (stock is 600 MHz)"

Impressive nonetheless, but lets get this reported correctly.
 

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Except that most people don't care what's in their computer as long as it works. This saves OEMs money on their bottom line, which is about as far as they care. It's a smart move by AMD, especially since these APUs will provide stellar performance in the tablet market, which is where everything is moving.
The market isn't moving, its just getting bigger.
 

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Except that most people don't care what's in their computer as long as it works. This saves OEMs money on their bottom line, which is about as far as they care. It's a smart move by AMD, especially since these APUs will provide stellar performance in the tablet market, which is where everything is moving.
You have to remember,it cost more to have them separate, it takes more power to have them separate. While I agree having a discrete graphics card is better for enthusiasts and gamers, we are the minority of computer users. This will save money for OEMs and people who buy pre-built computers, which is just about everyone, allowing them to do alot more with a computer that costs alot less. Think about the applications for this in the mobile market, getting a laptop with even the lowest end discrete graphics card cost at least $100 more than a similarly configured laptop without the discrete card. Now everyone can get discrete level performance for less while using less battery power as well. AMD has created the perfect solution for almost everyone. Consider yourself educated about how, while yes graphics cards are better, chips like these are better for the majority of users.
Here are my thoughts:

1.) I don't think it will cost more. An HD 6550-equivalent card costs less than 50$.
2.) You're sacrificing CPU performance with an AMD CPU.
3.) I don't see how it will take less power. They just placed the GPU inside the CPU.

The ONLY positive thing that I can think of in regards to this, is that in a laptop, it's easier to work with one chip.

I also really don't think this will fit in a tablet.
 
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ok now i know i need a new gfx card whan an igp is faster than what's in my desktop.

Can't wait to start seeing these in laptops!
 

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If anyone bothers to read the source they will quickly realize that the story is not reported correctly.

GPU was overclocked, from 600mhz to 870mhz.
Memory at 2320mhz, not 1333mhz.

So, 10,492 in 3dMark06 overclocked
and, 7,650 in 3dMark06 with stock CPU and GPU

"here is my setting
CPU: AMD APU A8-8350 @3.77GHz aircooling
MB: Gigabyte A75M-UD2H
DDR OC 2320MHz
FSB: 145 MHz ( Stock is 100MHz, oc 45%)
iGPU: 870 MHz, (stock is 600 MHz)"

Impressive nonetheless, but lets get this reported correctly.
yeah, you're right..
maybe this means if you overclock the cpu, the gpu itself will get overclocked as well..

btw, looking at the temp. it got nothing higher than 40C,
thats very impressive consider it has been overclocked 20% more than stock speed with just aircooling,,
 
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well thats sweet. Any idea when we will see these in laptops? as im looking to buy a new one.
 

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Here are my thoughts:

1.) I don't think it will cost more. An HD 6550-equivalent card costs less than 50$.
2.) You're sacrificing CPU performance with an AMD CPU.
3.) I don't see how it will take less power. They just placed the GPU inside the CPU.

The ONLY positive thing that I can think of in regards to this, is that in a laptop, it's easier to work with one chip.

I also really don't think this will fit in a tablet.
Does intel/nvidia sign the front of your check ?


1.) how many chips can you yield out of one wafer ?
2.) yeah so much CPU performance "seriously?" yeah its not a gapping chasm.
3.) just becuase your ignorant, doesn't make it less true.


to adress 1. Packaging, boards,chipsets,engineering, etc. All add costs. If the gpu is in the cpu package, its nearly fucking free minus the cost of the silicone.

2. sure intel beat amd in some benchmarks, ones where very shallow pipelined shitty applications don't really use the cpu to its full extent. When things get heavy on workload, those disparity become far less obvious. Please STFU

3.yes it uses less power, less vrm's, less resistors, less outboard support hardware, less traces on the board disapating power. Yeah it uses alot less power actually.

So to sum it up, your just ignorant.
 

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Wow! amazing i gotta get me one!
 

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Desktop and mobile Llanos IGP (6550 & 6620) make HYBRID CROSSFIRE with discrete ΑΜD ΗD 6670, 6570, 6770M +++++ !!!
That is impressive because one small & cheap GPU with Llanos IGP together in crossfire, make a big graphics performance !!

HYBRID CROSSFIRE is DEFFERENT crossfire !!!! -->
You can see this video for hybrid crossfire in old AM3 socket !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0hYMzIFfMU

For laptops



 
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Does intel/nvidia sign the front of your check ?


1.) how many chips can you yield out of one wafer ?
2.) yeah so much CPU performance "seriously?" yeah its not a gapping chasm.
3.) just becuase your ignorant, doesn't make it less true.


to adress 1. Packaging, boards,chipsets,engineering, etc. All add costs. If the gpu is in the cpu package, its nearly fucking free minus the cost of the silicone.

2. sure intel beat amd in some benchmarks, ones where very shallow pipelined shitty applications don't really use the cpu to its full extent. When things get heavy on workload, those disparity become far less obvious. Please STFU

3.yes it uses less power, less vrm's, less resistors, less outboard support hardware, less traces on the board disapating power. Yeah it uses alot less power actually.

So to sum it up, your just ignorant.
2. It still is true that Intel CPU's are faster. Pick you benchmark, and in pretty much every single one Intel will be faster. They are also more expensive, so it does not really matter. You get what you pay for, as always. If I was a mean person I would ask if AMD pay your paycheks. But that is a comment that is pretty much the opposite of constructive.

3. Do we have any power numbers BTW?
 
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2. It still is true that Intel CPU's are faster. Pick you benchmark, and in pretty much every single one Intel will be faster. They are also more expensive, so it does not really matter. You get what you pay for, as always. If I was a mean person I would ask if AMD pay your paycheks. But that is a comment that is pretty much the opposite of constructive.

3. Do we have any power numbers BTW?
Of course the Intel is faster in a benchmark,many benchmarks are optimized for a Intel processor. Also,the SB chip has hardware optimizations to boost benchmark scores that the AMD Llano does not.
In day to day usage ( which is what Llano is made for) most users don't care,they will see that the GPU runs programs better than the Intel "HD" graphics.
Check out the mobile power use here- http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a8-3500m-llano-apu,review-32207.html
It has better power consumption than the Intel,yet has a better GPU,and still good CPU power.
 
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2. It still is true that Intel CPU's are faster. Pick you benchmark, and in pretty much every single one Intel will be faster. They are also more expensive, so it does not really matter. You get what you pay for, as always. If I was a mean person I would ask if AMD pay your paycheks. But that is a comment that is pretty much the opposite of constructive.

3. Do we have any power numbers BTW?
Llano & sandy are not only cpu !!! They have IGP inside !!!

Τhe total force of processor and graphic card (CPU+IGP = APU) in Lianos is bigger than the total force of processor and graphic card (igp) in sandy!!!! This is the correct comparison !!
 

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Desktop and mobile Llanos IGP (6550 & 6620) make HYBRID CROSSFIRE with discrete ΑΜD ΗD 6670, 6570, 6770M +++++ !!!
That is impressive because one small & cheap GPU with Llanos IGP together in crossfire, make a big graphics performance !!

HYBRID CROSSFIRE is DEFFERENT crossfire !!!! -->
You can see this video for hybrid crossfire in old AM3 socket !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0hYMzIFfMU

For laptops
now everyone can play crysis with *bling-bling* enabled on their laptops without spending more than $1000..
 
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If anyone bothers to read the source they will quickly realize that the story is not reported correctly.

GPU was overclocked, from 600mhz to 870mhz.
Memory at 2320mhz, not 1333mhz.

So, 10,492 in 3dMark06 overclocked
and, 7,650 in 3dMark06 with stock CPU and GPU

"here is my setting
CPU: AMD APU A8-8350 @3.77GHz aircooling
MB: Gigabyte A75M-UD2H
DDR OC 2320MHz
FSB: 145 MHz ( Stock is 100MHz, oc 45%)
iGPU: 870 MHz, (stock is 600 MHz)"

Impressive nonetheless, but lets get this reported correctly.
Thanks for bring sanity to the thread. There is little chance that these CPU will be sold OC in a laptop.

Of course the Intel is faster in a benchmark,many benchmarks are optimized for a Intel processor.
What ones are they?
 

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WOW, wtf performance @_@
This thing is really eating the sh1t out of Intel, seriously.I wonder if you can do Hybrid CF-X with a discreet 66xx/65xx desktop card.....

Llano & sandy are not only cpu !!! They have IGP inside !!!

Τhe total force of processor and graphic card (CPU+IGP = APU) in Lianos is bigger than the total force of processor and graphic card (igp) in sandy!!!! This is the correct comparison !!
True indeed.
Do we have to mention that Llano can be OCed even in the lower models, where SB simply can't.Another chop off the intel`s cake :D
 
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#75
Lets not get our panties in a twist.

SB has amazing single-threaded performance, far superior to AMD's. To suggest that this is wrong is ignorant.

AMD offers better pricing on more cores to make up for the deficit, and now much better graphics performance compared to the majority of the SB lineup that sports the lowly HD2000 IGP.

Both solutions are quite competitive in their own way.

I'm really looking forward the BD refresh of Llano later this year to close the CPU gap (a little). Until then the overclocking will help against the locked Intel chips of which Llano competes.