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AMD Briefly Shows Off Zen “Summit Ridge” Silicon

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After an already packed Computex 2016 event with Radeon Polaris and Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge news, AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su had one final surprise to close out the company’s presentation: Zen, in the flesh.

Zen taped out earlier this year, and AMD is now working on bringing it up in their labs. To that end Dr. Su pulled out a very early engineering sample of what will be AMD’s Summit Ridge CPU, an 8 core Zen-based CPU. Summit Ridge will use AMD’s new AM4 socket – currently being rolled out for Bristol Ridge – making it a drop-in platform replacement.


Little in the way of new details on Summit Ridge and Zen were released, but Dr. Su confirmed that AMD is still targeting a 40% IPC increase. On the development front, the chip still has some work to undergo, but AMD is to the point where they are going to start sampling their top-tier, high profile customers with engineering samples here in a few weeks. Wider sampling to their larger OEM base will in turn take place in Q3 of this year. AMD has not mentioned a retail product date, but keep in mind there’s a fairly significant lag time between OEM sampling and retail products.


Finally, Dr. Su also reiterated that Zen will be the basis of a range of products for AMD. Along with the desktop CPU, AMD will be using Zen as the basis of their next, 8th generation APU. And further down the line it will be appearing in server products and embedded products as well.

http://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/48163/amd-demonstreert-zen-processor---update
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10391/amd-briefly-shows-off-zen-summit-ridge-silicon
 

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Kind of sad they are targeting servers last. AMD could pull a Polaris releasing 8-16 core chips that hugely undercut Intel's Xeon price and AMD wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves. Trying to convince OEMs to sell AMDs is an uphill climb especially considering the bulk of sales is laptops which isn't even mentioned.
 
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So, they've gone from assuring ("Delivers 40% more IPC"), to assuming (still targeting a 40% IPC increase).

A lot of people notice such small details you know. Is this them putting both feet in their mouths again?
 
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Please don't be another disappointment AMD. Your CPU department really needs a strong comeback now.
 
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Please don't be another disappointment AMD. Your CPU department really needs a strong comeback now.


Well, the good thing is, they know raw power is what's needed, not floating module crap. Plus it will no doubt fare better than Bullcrapper. My concern at this point is if that 40% talk is going to be more like 25% average, and only peak at 40%.
 
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Well, the good thing is, they know raw power is what's needed, not floating module crap. Plus it will no doubt fare better than Bullcrapper. My concern at this point is if that 40% talk is going to be more like 25% average, and only peak at 40%.
I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.
 
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I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.

Do the right things with them and they are quite capable ie fold ,just fold anyway but mines earned a lot more points for me than an I5 would have ,and still plays any game out there at playable if not competition levels so I have only the slightest fear Zen might be worse then advertised,I'd just get a fourth year out of my fx, damn my stupity(and for 159 uk notes).
 
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I think 'bulldozer' was an apt name in the end ; was slow enough that it put you to sleep.

Well if we follow that line, 'Zen' also isn't the best name then is it...
 
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Well, are Intel CPU's 40% better in IPC alone? I don't think there is such masive gap...

Then again Intel never had a CPU as crappy as Bulldozer to follow did they? I'm pretty sure AMD is talking only low thread performance improvement too. I'm really doubting multi thread performance will see a 40% gain, especially when they're now saying they're "targeting" that, vs achieving it.
 

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I just hope it's enough to make a difference. Intel's just lumbering around smacking everybody with their dick at this point.
 
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Then again Intel never had a CPU as crappy as Bulldozer to follow did they? I'm pretty sure AMD is talking only low thread performance improvement too. I'm really doubting multi thread performance will see a 40% gain, especially when they're now saying they're "targeting" that, vs achieving it.

Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.
 
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Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.
Not just Prescott, pretty much all of Netburst.
 
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Kind of sad they are targeting servers last.
Yeah, like that is a possibility:
1. Qualification of server hardware requires a longer lead in time and is more intensive than consumer hardware. If AMD are still in the process of getting all their Zen ducks in a row, the overall enterprise QA lead in time needs to be longer.
2. Enterprise OEMs will probably want to see both the processor and the platform in its final form ( top CPU bins) before jumping on board. OEM's got burned by Bulldozer, and very few did little more than legacy support and offer Piledriver upgrades subsequently.
3. Intel's Xeon model allows for drop in upgrades of LGA 1150/2011-1/2011-3. Processor core and TDP upgrades are generally cheaper than buying a whole new platform...and of course, AMD won't be competing at the high end of the cores per socket market.

I'm sure, with the margins associated with server platforms, that if targeting the enterprise sector first was viable that is exactly what AMD would be doing.
 
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Yes it had. The Presshot. And because it was such garbage, they created Conroe. Or more specifically, Core architecture that changed the CPU landscape as much as Athlon XP has back in its days.

Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.

And even so, I had a Pentium 4 Northwood when I first got into gaming, and it performed admirably until dual core was needed. So there were some standouts in the P4 line.

Then there's the fact that Conroe is Core 2 Duo, but Prescott is single core, while Bulldozer and Zen are both 8 core. So that's not really an apples to apples 40% improvement comparison.

Conroe wasn't made just to improve on Prescott, it was part of an industry wide leap from single core to dual core that was going on at the time. Quite a big difference from Bulldozer to Zen, which is an architecture change on an admitted failed design.
 
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Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.
Twelve years ago last month since Intel officially put a pin in NetBurst with the Tejas cancellation.
 
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Well, still, that was LONG ago wasn't it, and it only shows Intel has learned a great deal more than AMD has since then.

And even so, I had a Pentium 4 Northwood when I first got into gaming, and it performed admirably until dual core was needed. So there were some standouts in the P4 line.

Then there's the fact that Conroe is Core 2 Duo, but Prescott is single core, while Bulldozer and Zen are both 8 core. So that's not really an apples to apples 40% improvement comparison.

Conroe wasn't made just to improve on Prescott, it was part of an industry wide leap from single core to dual core that was going on at the time. Quite a big difference from Bulldozer to Zen, which is an architecture change on an admitted failed design.

Now you're making it sound like AMD hasn't done anything worthwhile. Even when Core was released, AMD was in very good position with Athlon64 CPU's. The Athlon FX were used in nearly all benchmarks at the time. Even later, they had proper multi-core CPU's where Intel was mostly just stacking up stand alone cores into a single die. Hell, even Phenom processors weren't that bad, in fact the Phenom II X6 were quite highly praised.
 
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Well, are Intel CPU's 40% better in IPC alone? I don't think there is such masive gap...

Skylake's about twice as fast per core as Bulldozer, so even in the best case scenario where Zen is 40% faster, it'd still be 10% behind Skylake per core. That would of course still be perfectly fine as long as the price is right and you get to have more cores than an intel CPU in the same price bracket.

Not just Prescott, pretty much all of Netburst.

If we really have to quantify the level of falure, I'd say that the original Phenoms was as bad as P4 and Bulldozer was multiple times worse than both.
 
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Skylake's about twice as fast per core as Bulldozer, so even in the best case scenario where Zen is 40% faster, it'd still be 10% behind Skylake per core.

I think that if Skylike is twice as fast as Bulldozer, then Skylake is 100% faster. If Zen is 40% faster than Bulldozer, then Skylake is 60% faster then Zen. No?
 

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Kind of sad they are targeting servers last. AMD could pull a Polaris releasing 8-16 core chips that hugely undercut Intel's Xeon price and AMD wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves. Trying to convince OEMs to sell AMDs is an uphill climb especially considering the bulk of sales is laptops which isn't even mentioned.

My guess for servers being last is yields suck right now and instead of risking no ability to keep up with demand they will release consumer products as a test bed to improve processes before releasing to the server market.

Wonder if AM4 sockets will be backward compatible like AM3 was.

Not in anyway. Cpu has the chipset on board.
 
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Now you're making it sound like AMD hasn't done anything worthwhile. Even when Core was released, AMD was in very good position with Athlon64 CPU's. The Athlon FX were used in nearly all benchmarks at the time. Even later, they had proper multi-core CPU's where Intel was mostly just stacking up stand alone cores into a single die. Hell, even Phenom processors weren't that bad, in fact the Phenom II X6 were quite highly praised.


Oh PLEASE, first you compare an 8 core to 8 core 40% boost, to a single core to dual core 40% boost, and now you're claiming I'm ragging on ALL AMD products just because you have no answer for my mentioning that?

You were the one that took the argument 12 years back into product line, while I kept topic regarding AMD specifically to Bulldozer and Zen. So please, stop with the BS.

Again, I'm referring specifically to how deplorable BULLDOZER was, and I still think my point on it was correct. Intel never had to do a same core count increase of 40% to overcome such horrible design. Your example does not take into account the evolution to dual core.
 

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Oh PLEASE, first you compare an 8 core to 8 core 40% boost, to a single core to dual core 40% boost, and now you're claiming I'm ragging on ALL AMD products just because you have no answer for my mentioning that?

You were the one that took the argument 12 years back into product line, while I kept topic regarding AMD specifically to Bulldozer and Zen. So please, stop with the BS.

Again, I'm referring specifically to how deplorable BULLDOZER was, and I still think my point on it was correct. Intel never had to do a same core count increase of 40% to overcome such horrible design. Your example does not take into account the evolution to dual core.

Core Solo VS netburst would represent a 40% IPC boost

I think that if Skylike is twice as fast as Bulldozer, then Skylake is 100% faster. If Zen is 40% faster than Bulldozer, then Skylake is 60% faster then Zen. No?

No, that's not how math works. Those numbers are also made up.
 
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