• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Bulldozer Eng. Sample leaked, benched

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Feb 18, 2010
Messages
1,721 (0.59/day)
Likes
415
System Name Eldritch
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 1500X
Motherboard MSI B350 PC Mate
Cooling Satan's butthole after going to Taco Bell
Memory 16 GB G.Skill FlareX
Video Card(s) nVidia (Gigabyte) GT 740 2GB
Storage 80 GB IBM, 2 TB WD Green, 512 GB Samsung 960 Pro
Display(s) Dell 2007WFP
Software Debian Buster
#2
That board looks like a beast from hell!

I'm not familiar with any of those benching programs, so I don't have anything else to say.
 
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
4,504 (1.25/day)
Likes
1,039
Location
Australia
System Name Night Rider | Mini LAN PC | Workhorse
Processor AMD FX 8350 | i7 2600 | i7 970
Motherboard GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ | GA-H77M-D3H | Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling AMD Wraith cooler| Coolermaster Gemini with Noctua 3000RPM Fan | Big shairkan B
Memory 4x2GB DDR3 G.Skill 1600 6-8-6-24| 2x4GB Corsair 1600 | 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX 970 OC in Sli | Gainward GTX 650 TI GS | ASUS 7970 Matrix
Storage 250GB Plextor SSD Por 5 /1TB WD Black | 500GB WD ES/WD Black | WD 320/Seagate 320
Display(s) Samsung 2494hs 24" 1080P| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" | 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case LIAN LI PC-18 | Mini ATX Case (custom) | Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s) Onboard | Onbaord | Onboard
Power Supply Silverstone 750 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750
Mouse Gigabyte aivia krypton gaming mouse | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech
Software Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home
#3
Ill believe it when i see it, im calling fake on this sorry.

I cant see an 8 core CPU getting a worse score then the current X6 of today, doesn't add up.
 
T

twilyth

Guest
#5
I have a few Bulldozer alerts set on Google and this just happened to hit my mailbox this morning. I'm just posting it for what it's worth, if anything. If you think I should change to title to make it less dramatic, suggest something and if I can still do it I will.
 

Wile E

Power User
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
24,318 (5.89/day)
Likes
3,682
System Name The ClusterF**k
Processor 980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory 3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 580
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s) HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4
#6
If it is a real BD, it could just be a glitch with the program. Might be like the old dual cores and need a special driver to work properly in some multi-threaded apps.

I sure hope that's not the real performance, anyway. If it is, BD is a total and utter failure.
 
T

twilyth

Guest
#7
If it is a real BD, it could just be a glitch with the program. Might be like the old dual cores and need a special driver to work properly in some multi-threaded apps.

I sure hope that's not the real performance, anyway. If it is, BD is a total and utter failure.
Please be more specific since I don't know much about benchmarks. thanks.
 

Wile E

Power User
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
24,318 (5.89/day)
Likes
3,682
System Name The ClusterF**k
Processor 980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory 3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 580
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s) HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4
#10
T

twilyth

Guest
#11
If it is a real BD, it could just be a glitch with the program. Might be like the old dual cores and need a special driver to work properly in some multi-threaded apps.

I sure hope that's not the real performance, anyway. If it is, BD is a total and utter failure.
Which part of my comment is unclear/needs explained?
The response you quoted was to CJ.

Why do you think the results if true mean BD is a failure. I mean I did specifically ask about benchmarks in relationship to your comment.
 

Wile E

Power User
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
24,318 (5.89/day)
Likes
3,682
System Name The ClusterF**k
Processor 980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory 3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 580
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s) HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4
#12
The response you quoted was to CJ.
Irrelevant. I just quoted the last post on the general topic. You knew what I meant, and responded accordingly. That's all that matters.

Why do you think the results if true mean BD is a failure. I mean I did specifically ask about benchmarks in relationship to your comment.
You could've also been referring to my comment on possible glitches and the drivers some of the older AMD chips needed to perform properly in some programs. In case you missed it, I did make more than one point in my original comment.

If these benches are true, BD is a failure because it's IPC per core is terrible. Intel's last generation 4 cores with HT overpower it, let alone SandyBridge, or the upcoming skt2011 cpus.
 
Joined
May 4, 2009
Messages
1,940 (0.61/day)
Likes
409
Location
Singapore
System Name penguin
Processor i3-4160
Motherboard Asus H81 Mini-ITX
Cooling Stock
Memory 2x4GB Kingston 1600MHz
Video Card(s) Saphire Radeon 7850 2GB
Storage Plextor M5S 120GB+1TB Seagate
Display(s) 23' Dell
Case CM Elite 130
Audio Device(s) stock
Power Supply Corsair CX430m
Software W7/Lubuntu
#13
My guess is that it flopped because of the "slow" memory they used. From what I've heard the BD memory controller is really something and to get the full performance you need to use 1866MHz sticks. Otherwise the memory controller quickly gets saturated because of all 8 cores accessing it and the performance drops exponentially.
 

Wile E

Power User
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
24,318 (5.89/day)
Likes
3,682
System Name The ClusterF**k
Processor 980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory 3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s) Evga GTX 580
Storage Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s) HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4
#14
My guess is that it flopped because of the "slow" memory they used. From what I've heard the BD memory controller is really something and to get the full performance you need to use 1866MHz sticks. Otherwise the memory controller quickly gets saturated because of all 8 cores accessing it and the performance drops exponentially.
I can see that being a bottleneck, but I don't see it being one to this degree.
 
T

twilyth

Guest
#15
Irrelevant. I just quoted the last post on the general topic. You knew what I meant, and responded accordingly. That's all that matters.



You could've also been referring to my comment on possible glitches and the drivers some of the older AMD chips needed to perform properly in some programs. In case you missed it, I did make more than one point in my original comment.

If these benches are true, BD is a failure because it's IPC per core is terrible. Intel's last generation 4 cores with HT overpower it, let alone SandyBridge, or the upcoming skt2011 cpus.
I was pointing something out I though you didn't realize. Not sure why that is a problem or "irrelevant", but whatever.

Where are you seeing IPC figures?
 

InnocentCriminal

Resident Grammar Amender
Joined
Feb 21, 2005
Messages
6,477 (1.37/day)
Likes
844
System Name BeeR 6
Processor Intel Core i7 3770K*
Motherboard ASUS Maximus V Gene (1155/Z77)
Cooling Corsair H100i
Memory 16GB Samsung Green 1600MHz DDR3**
Video Card(s) 4GB MSI Gaming X RX480
Storage 256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Display(s) 27" Samsung C27F591FDU
Case Fractal Design Arc Mini
Power Supply Corsair HX750W
Software 64bit Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores *@ 4.6GHz **@ 2133MHz
#16
I can't take anything from wccftech with any seriousness.

I'll hold out for some legitimate results.
 
Joined
Feb 19, 2009
Messages
1,573 (0.48/day)
Likes
568
Location
Warwick
System Name PC-Chips
Processor Intel core I5 4690K
Motherboard Asrock z87 Extreme 3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory G-Skill Ripjaws 2133mhz 4x4gig
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX-480 Nitro+ 8gig
Storage Samsung 250gig 840 SSD / 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung C27F591 27 inch Curved LED
Case NZXT phantom 410
Audio Device(s) Realtek digital out - Yamaha A-S501 - Wharfedale pacific evo 20 speakers - Wharfedale SW150 sub
Power Supply Cooler Master G650M
Mouse logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech delux 250
Software Windows 10 pro 64bit
#17
I was reading the other day about how AMD were not happy with the performance of BD on the early sample chips, After reading that link in the OP my guess is that the CPU shown is one of the first (engineering samples) that AMD were not happy with.

My understanding is AMD are working on new stepping (B2 or something) that should be in the retail CPU's.

If what i have read is true then im also guessing that them benchmarks are not to be taking seriously as true scores, We just have to wait and see.

It also mentions the new stepping in the link.
 
Last edited:
T

twilyth

Guest
#18
I was reading the other day about how AMD was not happy with the performance of BD on the early sample chips, After reading that link in the OP my guess is that the CPU shown is one of the first (eng samples) that AMD was not happy with.

My understanding is AMD are working on new stepping (B2 or something) that should be in the retail CPU's.

If what i have read is true then im also guessing that them benchmarks are not to be taking as true scores, We just have to wait and see.

It also mentions the new stepping in the link.
I read the same thing and I think you got that spot on. That's my understanding for why they pushed the launch from June to July-September. It does make sense.

Aren't these chips the first to use high-k gates? If so, manufacturing issues were bound to crop up.
 
Joined
Jun 16, 2009
Messages
5,123 (1.63/day)
Likes
989
Location
North of Germany
System Name Heatbitch / The Dark Tower / Custom Acer
Processor AMD Phenom 2 X4 960T @ 4200mhz 1,44v,3130NB /Q9550 3.4ghz 1.20v/ X2 260 1.42v @3.6
Motherboard Asus M4A89GTD PRO / Asus Rampage Formula/Foxconn A7DA-S 3.0
Cooling Heatkiller 3.0 LT,Laing DDC+,Octakaideca-Rad /EK SP,Tt 400L, B.Ice XT2/Xiggy Black Knight
Memory 4x2gb Transcend 2400 CL10 1.65v: 1600 7-8-7-24-40 1.65 /Dominator 1066 2GB/Ripjaws 2000 CL9 4GB
Video Card(s) 6970, soon to be WCed/ 4870x2 HK Full Cover WC´d / 2xGeforce 8800GT HyperSLI
Storage 128gb Vertex 3, 32GB Ultradrive GX2, 320GB+500GB+2x1TB F1 /160gb Maxtor,500gb F1/ 160GB WD
Display(s) LG Flatron 23" W2353V /Benq 19" FP93E-S/TFT 17"
Case Thermaltake Shark /Superflower SF-860B/Acer m-ATX Tower
Audio Device(s) Realtek Onboard Sound, on all of them
Power Supply Corsair TX850/ OCZ Modxstream-Pro 600W/ MS-Tech 750w
Software XP 32bit Professional+ Win7 64Bit Ultimate
Benchmark Scores 3DMark Vantage: P21385 3DM11: P5920
#19
Temps of the chip were reported at 13.4C (Idle) and 16.2C (Load) but the user mentioned that it was a Glitch in the AMD Overdrive software as the temps reported in BIOS were hovering around 35-40C (Cool n Quiet Enabled).
So i was indeed right. The damn,worthless AOC is just bugged!:laugh:

EDIT:
just saw it, there are vantage leaks out there too (also on this UK page).... these look better surely:
http://wccftech.com/2011/05/30/amd-bulldozer-fx8110-scores-81917-3dmark-vantage-cpu-test-details/
281 steps in CPU test 2 in Vantage is murderous in my opinion...i7 does not even 100,severely OCed ;)
 
Last edited:

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
18,577 (4.55/day)
Likes
3,192
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i5 2400 :: Athlon II x4 630
Motherboard MSI H67-G43-B3 :: GIgabyte GA-770T-USB3
Cooling Corsair H70 :: Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Memory 4x2GB DDR3 1333 :: 2x1GB DDR3 1333
Video Card(s) 2x PNY GTX1070 :: GT720
Storage Plextor M5s 128GB, WDC Black 500GB :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, WD RE3 1TB
Display(s) Acer P216HL HDMI :: None
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - iLive IT153B Soundbar (optical) :: None
Power Supply Corsair CX600w :: Unknown
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
#20
I really hope those aren't true results...
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2010
Messages
2,203 (0.83/day)
Likes
641
Location
Marlow, ENGLAND
System Name Chachamaru-III | Retro Battlestation
Processor Intel Core i7 3770K | Intel Pentium II 450MHz
Motherboard BIOSTAR TZ77XE4 (Intel Z77 Chipset) | MSI MS-6116 (Intel 440BX chipset)
Cooling Thermaltake CLW0217 Water 2.0 Extreme, case fully populated
Memory 16GB G.Skill Ares 1600MHz (2x8GB) [30 10-10-10] | 512MB PC133 SDRAM
Video Card(s) MSI GeForce 1070 Gaming Z, Intel HD 4000 (for secondary monitors) | 3dfx Voodoo3 3000
Storage 250GB SK hynix SSD (OS), Seagate 3TB (Storage), Toshiba 3TB (Steam), Samsung 1TB (Personal Files)
Display(s) Samsung 2443BWT-1 24" @1920x1200, Dell 1708fp 17" @1280x1024 & Eizo FlexScan L887 20" @1600x1200
Case Coolermaster HAF 922 | Beige box
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster Z (Speakers), Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (Headphones) | Yamaha Audician 32 Plus
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 750 G2 | 250W ASETEC
Mouse Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 v2.0 | Microsoft Serial Mouse v2.0A
Keyboard UNICOMP Classic | Dell AT102W
Software Microsoft Windows 10 Pro | Microsoft Windows 98SE
#21
Also, Cool n Quiet was enabled, which lowers performance.
 
Joined
Apr 7, 2011
Messages
1,163 (0.47/day)
Likes
471
System Name Desktop
Processor Intel i7-3930k
Motherboard ASUS Sabertooth X79
Cooling Intel AIO
Memory 8x4GB 1866MHz
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 970 SC
Storage Adaptec 2405 SAS|Hitachi SAS 15k 450GB|2xSeagate 2TB|WD RE Enterprise 4 TB|HP Ultrium 1760 LTO4 Tape
Display(s) HP ZR24w
Case Fractal Define XL Black
Audio Device(s) Schiit Modi Uber>Schiit Asgard 2>Sennheiser HD600
Power Supply Corsair HX850
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Logitech G613
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
#22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QRKdyBzKQ

And everyone should be aware that these chips are B0 ES chips, it seems they all have severe restrictions hence the low scores. I mean come on, AMD would never release a chip that is slower than Thuban and call it FX.
 
Joined
Jun 16, 2009
Messages
5,123 (1.63/day)
Likes
989
Location
North of Germany
System Name Heatbitch / The Dark Tower / Custom Acer
Processor AMD Phenom 2 X4 960T @ 4200mhz 1,44v,3130NB /Q9550 3.4ghz 1.20v/ X2 260 1.42v @3.6
Motherboard Asus M4A89GTD PRO / Asus Rampage Formula/Foxconn A7DA-S 3.0
Cooling Heatkiller 3.0 LT,Laing DDC+,Octakaideca-Rad /EK SP,Tt 400L, B.Ice XT2/Xiggy Black Knight
Memory 4x2gb Transcend 2400 CL10 1.65v: 1600 7-8-7-24-40 1.65 /Dominator 1066 2GB/Ripjaws 2000 CL9 4GB
Video Card(s) 6970, soon to be WCed/ 4870x2 HK Full Cover WC´d / 2xGeforce 8800GT HyperSLI
Storage 128gb Vertex 3, 32GB Ultradrive GX2, 320GB+500GB+2x1TB F1 /160gb Maxtor,500gb F1/ 160GB WD
Display(s) LG Flatron 23" W2353V /Benq 19" FP93E-S/TFT 17"
Case Thermaltake Shark /Superflower SF-860B/Acer m-ATX Tower
Audio Device(s) Realtek Onboard Sound, on all of them
Power Supply Corsair TX850/ OCZ Modxstream-Pro 600W/ MS-Tech 750w
Software XP 32bit Professional+ Win7 64Bit Ultimate
Benchmark Scores 3DMark Vantage: P21385 3DM11: P5920
#23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QRKdyBzKQ

And everyone should be aware that these chips are B0 ES chips, it seems they all have severe restrictions hence the low scores. I mean come on, AMD would never release a chip that is slower than Thuban and call it FX.
i really liked that quote... seems to throw at least some information regarding the issue, even it can be false;)

B0 Stepping => Capped clock speed, broken turbo, memory bandwidth restricted...
The retail release is B2 Stepping. (B1 Stepping has speed scaling issue that needs to be corrected.)
 
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Messages
734 (0.22/day)
Likes
121
Location
Golden, Colorado
System Name KAREN / EVA / GHOST
Processor Intel Core i7-950 / AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE / Core i5 3570k
Motherboard ASUS TUF Sabertooth X58 / DFI LP DK 790FXB-M2RSH / Asrock z77e-itx
Cooling Thermaltake Frio / Corsair Cooling™ Hydro Series H50 / Corsair Hydro Series H60
Memory Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3 1600 / Corsair Dominator Quad2X4096-8500C5DF / G.SKILL Ripjaws Serie 1600
Video Card(s) XFX HD6950 CF unlocked /XFX HD5770 CF/ MSI R4890 Cyclone
Storage OCZ Vertex 2 60 WD Raptor X WD1500AHFD / Seagate Barracuda /Western Digital 80gb, Toshiba 1TB
Display(s) 2 Acer P215H 21.5 Widescreen / Acer S211HL 21.5 / HP 2009F 20inch
Case SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02-BW / NZXT Phantom /Bitfenix Prodigy
Audio Device(s) On board / Philips MMS 321 - PC multimedia speakers
Power Supply Ultra X3 ULT40311 1000W / Cosair CMPSU-750TX 750W/ CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 700W
Software Windows 7 64 bit / Windows 7 64 bit / Windows 7 64 bit
#24
3.2 over clock? :laugh: 1333 memory :wtf: I would have tried to blow that thing up the scores are poor but I will wait for a legit review. I am starting to believe AMD is screwed it will be a miracle for them to touch Intel Sandy Bridge chip's performance.
 

Nesters

New Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
121 (0.05/day)
Likes
26
#25
Why do you think the results if true mean BD is a failure
Scoring less than PII X6 and also costing more would be an epic failure. If BD wasn't quite an improvement, price cuts would have been smaller for existing processors.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.