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AMD CES 2022 Liveblog: Zen 3+, RDNA2 IGP, 6nm, RX 6500 XT, AM5, Zen 4 and More

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To me it's obvious that this 3D cache version was planned (years ago) as a bit of a Plan B in case Zen 4 would get delayed.

If Zen 4 was expected in 2023 I'm pretty sure we would have seen more Zen 3D variants, but right now it doesn't make sense.
 
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Just you wait until you see power consumption figures on Zen3+ and Alder Lake.:laugh:
 

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The reason why there is only an 8 core model.

Why only Ryzen 7, not Ryzen 5/Ryzen 9? Because this is a new project for AMD, they want to find out how a processor like this will be welcomed into the market. A lot of users (myself included) expected AMD to go all-in with a big 16-core version, however anything Ryzen 9 requires two chiplets, and adding the extra V-Cache does require an extra cost in silicon and packaging. During a semiconductor shortage, I was told that this is the best way to get it into the hands of many people while also not in the super high-cost bracket. It also means one single unified 96 MB of L3 cache, without having to deal with two chiplets worth which might not be optimized immediately. Future versions of V-Cache on next-generation products may be expanded to other Ryzen members of the family.



Dude, the reason it is just rejected server chips that didn't pass the QA.

They are selling trash and there is not enough of it for all the models.
 
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Just you wait until you see power consumption figures on Zen3+ and Alder Lake.:laugh:
how about elaborating on your post what should we expect?

Dude, the reason it is just rejected server chips that didn't pass the QA.

They are selling trash and there is not enough of it for all the models.
lol you do know that most desktop products are server rejected parts don't you?

Do you think they just keep remaking the die's for every SKU?
 

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how about elaborating on your post what should we expect?


lol you do know that most desktop products are server rejected parts don't you?

Do you think they just keep remaking the die's for every SKU?
No, they are not. Intel has separate dies, Nvidia has separate dies.

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.

So don't lol at me next time and update your knowledge.
 
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They are selling trash and there is not enough of it for all the models.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, most desktop chips are made for high leakage/higher clocks! Heck if you strictly look at the server "chips" there's zero chance they sell the rejects to desktop market :rolleyes:

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.
AMD uses the same die, except for APU! They just have different configurations in the package.
 
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No, they are not. Intel has separate dies, Nvidia has separate dies.

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.

So don't lol at me next time and update your knowledge.
Hey bud, you seem like you know it all being new and all, but you sound like a bucket of spare parts.

lol at you. Rotflol at you.

Every time there is a trade show some companies budget for trolls to troll, but we ain’t got non bridge here pal. So maybe move along eh?
 
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I just laughed looking at my B350 the moment Lisa Su said "Zen 3D Supported by the AM4 platform" like she didn't just put my fellow 300 chipset owners(except OEM's A320) in the planned obsolescence bin to force us to buy B550/X570 and upgrade to a borderline EOL socket.
But dont worry, the internet will still shout about how AMD is way better with motherboard support then intel, despit esegmenting their products and limiting chipsets to 2 CPU generationsl just like Intel, unless the ocmmunity whines HARD.

No, they are not. Intel has separate dies, Nvidia has separate dies.

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.

So don't lol at me next time and update your knowledge.
You do know that the latest quadros, liek the A4000, are the same dies used on the geforce line, right? Both it and the 3070 are GA104. The geforce cards have cut down FP32/FP64 rates and dont have pro drivers, but the days of pro cards using compeltel different dies are coming to an end, outside of insanely price AI stuff. It's time to "update your knoledge", which is my new favorite catchphrase.
 
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So, it seems that Linux kernel patches are not so reliable source of info anymore. Rembrandt will have AV1 support and in the video @23:23 they said that RX 6500 XT will support full array of ReLive features which also means full encoding support (previous wrong info). - read edit below

The performance of 6500 XT is right around 5500 XT which seems bad for the rumored power consumption, but it makes sense because the clocks are high. At least its much cheaper than the RTX 3050 @ ripoff $249, but still ... I could get the 5500 XT 8 GB for less and I now deeply regret not buying it. I guess my potato GPU will have to hold out for one more year :cry:

/edit: it seems the presenter was wrong (source). No H265/HEVC encode or AV1 Decode support for the 6500 XT (see below) :confused:

RX6500XT-specs.png
 
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So, it seems that Linux kernel patches are not so reliable source of info anymore. Rembrandt will have AV1 support and in the video @23:23 they said that RX 6500 XT will support full array of ReLive features which also means full encoding support (previous wrong info).

The performance of 6500 XT is right around 5500 XT which seems bad for the rumored power consumption, but it makes sense because the clocks are high. At least its much cheaper than the RTX 3050 @ ripoff $249, but still ... I could get the 5500 XT 8 GB for less and I now deeply regret not buying it. I guess my potato GPU will have to hold out for one more year :cry:
The difference being that while the RTX 3050 looks to be at least a bit faster then the 1650 it replaces, the 6500xt would appear to be nearly identical to the 5500xt for a higher price (and I put good money on that 64 bit bus being a massive issue in modern games).

Somehow AMD has forgotten to actually improve the perf/$ on anything they have made this gen, absent the 6800xt which didnt really have anything to compare to.
 
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I'm interested in the 5800X3D relative to my 5950X. I'll wait for a review.
 
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I'm interested in the 5800X3D relative to my 5950X. I'll wait for a review.

Why drop down to 8 cores from 16 for more cache?

And if the answer is gaming performance, why go 16 cores to begin with :)
 
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No, they are not. Intel has separate dies, Nvidia has separate dies.

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.

So don't lol at me next time and update your knowledge.
I loling at you.
 
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No, they are not. Intel has separate dies, Nvidia has separate dies.

Amd has also separate dies depending on the product.

So don't lol at me next time and update your knowledge.
I did the LOL and it was fun for me.

Intel has always had server counterparts for the desktop CPU's. This doesn't mean that it holds true for EVERY server CPU tho, as some server CPU's wouldn't make sense as a desktop variant.

Same goes for Nvidia.
 
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To me it's obvious that this 3D cache version was planned (years ago) as a bit of a Plan B in case Zen 4 would get delayed.

If Zen 4 was expected in 2023 I'm pretty sure we would have seen more Zen 3D variants, but right now it doesn't make sense.
Everything CPU and GPU is planned for years in advance. The cache stacking could have been a bet to hedge against Zen 4 delays but it also could have just as likely have been built into the Zen3 design in order to test the technology internally between AMD and TSMC as a proof of concept for future products and never really intended to see the light of day in a consumer product.

But dont worry, the internet will still shout about how AMD is way better with motherboard support then intel, despit esegmenting their products and limiting chipsets to 2 CPU generationsl just like Intel, unless the ocmmunity whines HARD.
Even if AMD had went with their original stance it would still be way better than Intel's track record. Besides this has way more to do with board manufactures supporting old platforms and being limited by how many CPUs can be supported within the size of the BIOS. From a board manufacturer's perspetive they can't be too happy with how long AMD supports their platforms as thats lost sales of new product and more work keeping old SKUs updated with support for new CPUs. Good for AMD PR but bad for board manufactures bottom line.
 
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Really looking forward to those new U mobile parts. Interested to see how much of performance is there in the R5 and it's 6CU.
Everything else... Meh. At least for me. Won't be able to buy those 6500XTs for $200 anyway
 
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Everything CPU and GPU is planned for years in advance.
Well, yeah, like I said.
To me it's obvious that this 3D cache version was planned (years ago)

The cache stacking could have been a bet to hedge against Zen 4 delays but it also could have just as likely have been built into the Zen3 design in order to test the technology internally between AMD and TSMC as a proof of concept for future products and never really intended to see the light of day in a consumer product.
I find the latter unlikely, as the 5900X3D was presented last summer. The step from prototype to a commercially available product isn't that small.

The plan to launch Zen3D is nothing new, the question was how long the wait for Zen4 would be after that. If AMD would launch 4 different Zen3D in March we'd know that Zen4 was in trouble.
 
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Why drop down to 8 cores from 16 for more cache?

And if the answer is gaming performance, why go 16 cores to begin with :)

I'm not necessarily interested in purchasing, but it basically the only thing I'm interested in that was mentioned with the keynote. I also have large interest in the RSR section.

I was upset we didn't get a 6900XTS, but I guess the XTXH chips are technically that.
 
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5800x3d kills the entire Intel product line my b550 is ready
 
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5800x3d kills the entire Intel product line my b550 is ready

Potentially, but power efficiency and single core performance will be critical and Intel already has a response coming with 12900KS. 12900KS will have horrible power efficiency in comparison, just like the 12900K but amplified.
 
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Potentially, but power efficiency and single core performance will be critical and Intel already has a response coming with 12900KS. 12900KS will have horrible power efficiency in comparison, just like the 12900K but amplified.
Yeah, but that KS is probably gonna be $300 more than the 5800X3D
 
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Yeah, but that KS is probably gonna be $300 more than the 5800X3D

Probably. Intel is unable to price above the 5950X, and there are a lot of 12900K sitting on the shelves. I see a 12900K price decrease incoming, maybe by $50 and 12900KS taking the current price spot. 5950X was out of stock for many months.
 
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No 12 core part, super disappointing.
 
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