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AMD Denies Hidden GCN CUs in Tahiti

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Over the past few days, we were hearing rumors from many quarters that AMD's "Tahiti" high-performance GPU may have been a deviation from an older specification, and that it really has 2304 stream processors spread across 40 GCN compute units (CUs), instead of the 32 the Radeon HD 7970 ended up with. Both AMD and NVIDIA create more redundant components on their chips than their SKUs end up getting, so they could increase yields, it's a process commonly known as "harvesting".

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Dude if I could "unlock" a 7970 to a even higher power than that would be insane! Only time will tell. About 4 days.
 

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Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
 
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Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
How so? I am more than happy with the way the card performs already.
 

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At the moment this card is getting nothing but good PR from its oc'ing prowess.
 

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Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
And here comes the trolls, you must be bad at reading, NV did this with their 480's... Move along :laugh: They will let all their loyal fans down with a card thats faster than a 580, cheaper than a 580, and overclocks like a beast? Doesn't sound like a let down to me, no matter if the card has hidden stream processors or not.
 
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Meh, just gimme on already, I miss PC gaming ~_~
 
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Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
I think the overclocking results are speaking for them self
 
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I think the overclocking results are speaking for them self
I think it smells of harvesting, yes. But whatever, why should anyone care?
 
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Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
Loyal fan boys...
Has anyone ever heard about a fan boy being disloyal?
 

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#11
meh...I had just got out of bed after about 4hrs sleep when i made that post :toast: totally proud that i managed to piss off so many people with it :cool::cool:

Its bad because they are lying to the consumer. Its like saying a car has a 5Ltr turbo charged engine underneath the hood but it really has a 1.8Ltr Diesel. The performance is still good so it doesnt really matter. it just depends how you look at it
 

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Its bad because they are lying to the consumer
WTF are you saying? You need to get back to your bed ASAP
 
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meh...I had just got out of bed after about 4hrs sleep when i made that post :toast: totally proud that i managed to piss off so many people with it :cool::cool:

Its bad because they are lying to the consumer. Its like saying a car has a 5Ltr turbo charged engine underneath the hood but it really has a 1.8Ltr Diesel. The performance is still good so it doesnt really matter. it just depends how you look at it
AMD never claimed that it had more stream processors. The only thing that did was some "leaked document" from Sapphire. I don't know how you consider AMD clarifying that the document was wrong to be deceitful in any way.
 

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meh...I had just got out of bed after about 4hrs sleep when i made that post :toast: totally proud that i managed to piss off so many people with it :cool::cool:

Its bad because they are lying to the consumer. Its like saying a car has a 5Ltr turbo charged engine underneath the hood but it really has a 1.8Ltr Diesel. The performance is still good so it doesnt really matter. it just depends how you look at it
Thats a horrible comparison. Because, with a card, if they say it brings X power and it brings X power, it is what it is. With a car, if they say a 5.0 Turbo and they give you a 1.8 TD, it most likely isn't making the same power (unless it's strung out to all hell). Not to mention vehicles weight makes a massive difference. The scenario you listed is, they list the specs and then give you less when you buy it, not in the least bit the samething.

They released the specs for the card, they weren't lying to anyone, they didn't say it came with X amount then it ended up being under that amount. And beyond that, have you been watching the news articles over the last week? The 7970's just set world records, not only for bench scores, but for clock speeds. They OC to an insane level, even on air I think what 400mhz OC's on the GPU? Thats a ton of performance just sitting there for free. Plus now they dropped the price.

You are making it too complicated, what it comes down to for hardware is the performance for the price. And the 7970 brings that, despite if it has things locked or not, and if you decide to OC, tack another 20 - 30% performance on for free (how could anyone complain about that?). Of course your previous post made people respond, it was made without any thought.
 

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Chill dudes, he's just trolling lol
 
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Its bad because they are lying to the consumer. Its like saying a car has a 5Ltr turbo charged engine underneath the hood but it really has a 1.8Ltr Diesel. The performance is still good so it doesnt really matter. it just depends how you look at it

How so man?

If they said they had 2300 ( what ever it was) and 40 rops and it turned out to have less I could see your point, but stating they have 2000 when there is a possibility there is more is not really lying.

It's because silicone can be a fickle thing if they shot for 2000 on the dot they would have hardly any 7970s and they'd all be 7950s.

Pretty much every silicone devices get made with extra components to give them wiggle room :toast:

Means if any do survive 100% they will later be sold when they have enough to distribute them.
 
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How so man?

If they said they had 2300 ( what ever it was) and 40 rops and it turned out to have less I could see your point, but stating they have 2000 when there is a possibility there is more is not really lying.

It's because silicone can be a fickle thing if they shot for 2000 on the dot they would have hardly any 7970s and they'd all be 7950s.

Pretty much every silicone devices get made with extra components to give them wiggle room :toast:

Means if any do survive 100% they will later be sold when they have enough to distribute them.
Actually, it is: we just don't care.
 
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Actually, it is: we just don't care.
I suppose them saying the clock speed is actually 925 when it can do 1335 is lying too?

:laugh:

It's called guaranteed specification, yeah you may pull more out but it doesn't mean they were duping you or lying to you.

Especially considering those extra 300 shaders probably don't even work if they do exist.

( which according to AMD they don't so they've probably been laser cut)


Although I appreciate this is about semantics so no point taking it past this : ]
 
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I suppose them saying the clock speed is actually 925 when it can do 1335 is lying too?

:laugh:

It's called guaranteed specification, yeah you may pull more out but it doesn't mean they were duping you or lying to you.

Especially considering those extra 300 shaders probably don't even work if they do exist.

( which according to AMD they don't so they've probably been laser cut)


Although I appreciate this is about semantics so no point taking it past this : ]
Didn't know they had a name for that ...

Anyway, i'm pretty sure if such a thing exists W1zzard will find it: didn't he find that instance with the ATI card that had less shaders (or whatever it had missing) a while back? I seem to recall another instance where he found nVidia using a 27-something instead of a 25-something which gave their cards an advantage as well but i really don't recall specifics.
 
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Who cares if the card has some left over junk which is not used?
At the end of the day, this card performs well and isn't overly expensive.
 
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I heard all this 7970 news makes ppl bitchy :p Like really guys, the card performs well and is priced accordingly. All this fanboi bitching and trolling is just jealousy because AMD has a great performing card and Kepler is MIA.
 

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#23
They will let all their loyal fans down with a card thats faster than a 580, cheaper than a 580, and overclocks like a beast
Did you get this card over a year ago? I got my GTX580 over a year ago. If they had made this card a year ago, it would have been something, but now, the card is worthless.
Took the shitty company over a year to beat the GTX580 which was based on Fermi which again, is over 2 years older, what can I say? AMD = :lmao:
 
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Thats a horrible comparison. Because, with a card, if they say it brings X power and it brings X power, it is what it is. With a car, if they say a 5.0 Turbo and they give you a 1.8 TD, it most likely isn't making the same power (unless it's strung out to all hell).
nah theyd put out the same power just the 5ltr one is the us version the 1.8Tdi is the uk:p

more hidden cores my ass , as someone correctly stated elsewhere it was probably an x2 of a lower GPU that got scrapped or a total press turd to uncover a leak
 
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#25
Nothing like bad PR to boost pre-release sales. If this is true then AMD have really let themselves and all their loyal fan boys down
you really have a horrible defenition of bad pr.

finding out a card that already performs better than expected could possibly be unlocked for even more performance is kinda like your wife telling you that she's baked a cake wearing a nightie and sent the kids to her mothers house for the night.

as opposed to before where she just baked a cake.


This if anything is amazing pr.

the fact that the gtx 480 had more shaders that were locked didn't bother anyone. The fact that it was 6 months late, sucked more power than a microwave and put out enough heat to keep a 2000 sqft home warm in a subzero temperature winter did.