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AMD FireStream 9250 Breaks the 1 Teraflop Barrier

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At the International Supercomputing Conference, AMD today introduced its next-generation stream processor, the AMD FireStream 9250, specifically designed to accelerate critical algorithms in high-performance computing (HPC), mainstream and consumer applications. Leveraging the GPU design expertise of AMD’s Graphics Product Group, AMD FireStream 9250 breaks the one teraflop barrier for single precision performance. It occupies a single PCI slot, for unmatched density and with power consumption of less than 150 watts, the AMD FireStream 9250 delivers an unprecedented rate of performance per watt efficiency with up to eight gigaflops per watt.


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Here's the edge that AMD has over NVidia, an x86 license. If only the potential of Stream Processors are tapped in the AMD Fusion, we have an incredibly powerful CPU. All they need is a translation layer between x86 and FireStream, x86 commands will then be handled by Stream Processors. Phenom X320 anyone?
 
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1 Teraflop...Neat... I wonder of that makes it "Vista Capable." (Just kidding)

That's also a low price compared to its predecessor



Oh and:
A Phenom X320 you say? What about a Phenom X320 Black Edition?
 
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Oh and:
A Phenom X320 you say? What about a Phenom X320 Black Edition?
What!? They have a special version for black people now?! Why can't I buy a non black edition???
Haha :laugh::laugh::laugh:
These are good times for AMD, I think we are about to see a massive revival stunt :).
 
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What!? They have a special version for black people now?! Why can't I buy a non black edition???
Haha :laugh::laugh::laugh:
These are good times for AMD, I think we are about to see a massive revival stunt :).
WHAT??:eek:
 
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Exciting news... but I'm not impressed. (Now I'm disappointed). The PS3 runs at 220 gigaflops for $400. AMD want $999 for the same power, but without any other "PS3" features.

A regular Q6600 Quad manages 30 Gflops: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/c_sandra_cpu_mflops.png (7.5 Gflops per core).

That means the Firestream is A LOT FASTER, about 5x faster. NOT 55x. Perhaps it's "55x faster" than a shiddy AMD single core?
 
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IT wastes less power than the PS3, at 150W, can be used with pretty much any PC with a PCI slot, and probably runs cooler, and might be more stable than the PS3 (don't forget you pay for a lot when it comes to these sorts of things).
Oh, and not forgetting that, even if it is a quick setup, installing a GP-GPU into a PCI slot and installing software for it, is probably quicker than setting up a PS3 for these sorts of operations, if you already have the rest of the computer setup (which most company might have, as they might jsut buy this and slot it in, replacing the 9170).

That 55x increase in performance over a CPU isn't specific, no, but don't forget that translating GFLOPS into real-world performance isn't a direct comparison. For one thing, that CPU could have been loaded with other processes, the application could be optimised for GPUs, etc.
 
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Exciting news... but I'm not impressed. (Now I'm disappointed). The PS3 runs at 220 gigaflops for $400. AMD want $999 for the same power, but without any other "PS3" features.

A regular Q6600 Quad manages 30 Gflops: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/c_sandra_cpu_mflops.png (7.5 Gflops per core).

That means the Firestream is A LOT FASTER, about 5x faster. NOT 55x. Perhaps it's "55x faster" than a shiddy AMD single core?
Lets see, the article states 1 Teraflop per second (that's 1024 Gflops). So in your logic that really makes it worth ~ $1900 (4.65 x $400 for the 220 gigaflop/s PS3). In theoretical number crunching those numbers also put it at 1024/30 = 34 times more powerful than the quad core Intel. The 55x number they stated was only on financial analysis codes although you're right that they don't state which CPU they are using to compare numbers. I just hope AMD finds a way to integrate this into mainstream computing that will see some real world results for us 'average' users.
 
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Exciting news... but I'm not impressed. (Now I'm disappointed). The PS3 runs at 220 gigaflops for $400. AMD want $999 for the same power, but without any other "PS3" features.

A regular Q6600 Quad manages 30 Gflops: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/c_sandra_cpu_mflops.png (7.5 Gflops per core).

That means the Firestream is A LOT FASTER, about 5x faster. NOT 55x. Perhaps it's "55x faster" than a shiddy AMD single core?
The PS3 uses a GPU. According to your article, it is over 133x faster than a single Q6600 core and over 33x faster than all four.

You can't compare it to the PS3. You're not only buying the hardware (which is optimized and much more reliable) but software. The PS3 is sold by the millions while this card will sell much less. If the PS3 sold the same amount, it would cost a lot more.
 
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Oh wow, I haven't seen balls of steel in so freaking long! That is a classic one.

Beertintedgoggles, that is very true, didn't even notice that, heheh. Good catch there, and it really does make the GP-GPU much more valuable. Huge increase in performance-per-watt and performance-per-$ to the PS3.
 

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cant wait to see this combined with the firesteam gpu's which also are suppossed to be hitting over 1 teraflop, it would be a really powerful system!
 
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None of this matters, i will only get excited when i see some real world performance. Basically down on paper the Phenoms should waste the Intel competition not that it really worked that way did it?

Remember the hd2000 series it was great on paper way better than some of the Nvidia stuff yet it failed in real world terms.

This could be good especially since it can run in any board with a pci slot.

PS3 oh please that is a console this is a piece of pc hardware go compare it to a wii or an xbox 360. People say oh the CELL processor is powerful it has x amount of this and x amount of that but in reality it is stuck with the gpu and other hardware because you cant simply upgrade a PS3. On its own the CELL is useless because its not programed for any other software other than PS3 games and some linux OS.
 

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Congrats on the best workstation gfx card AMD!
 

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Exciting news... but I'm not impressed. (Now I'm disappointed). The PS3 runs at 220 gigaflops for $400. AMD want $999 for the same power, but without any other "PS3" features.
How many GFLOPs does Intel give you for ~$1200 that you pay for a QX9770?

FireStream is more of something aimed to compete with NVidia Tesla which have the same 'inviting' prices.

Congrats on the best workstation gfx card AMD!
AMD FireStream is not a graphics card, for the know.
 

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so tell me exactly what this is?

like in relation?

i know its not a grafx card but is it like a math co-processor?

or is it like a physx card?

or is it a physx card that acts as a co-processor?
 
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Lets see, the article states 1 Teraflop per second (that's 1024 Gflops). So in your logic that really makes it worth ~ $1900 (4.65 x $400 for the 220 gigaflop/s PS3). In theoretical number crunching those numbers also put it at 1024/30 = 34 times more powerful than the quad core Intel. The 55x number they stated was only on financial analysis codes although you're right that they don't state which CPU they are using to compare numbers. I just hope AMD finds a way to integrate this into mainstream computing that will see some real world results for us 'average' users.
Lets see that again. The article states 200 gigaflops for DP. All other benchmarks I gave were DP. You cannot do "financial math" with SP. Or rather... you can but you shouldnt. And certainly dont mix SP with DP benchmarks. That's worse than apples and oranges. It's like comparing the number of bananas with the number of bunches of bananas.

And 1 teraflop = 1000 gigaflops. WTF did 1024 come from? A math bug? Working in SP? :roll: :pimp:

How many GFLOPs does Intel give you for ~$1200 that you pay for a QX9770?
NOBODY creates number crunchers with overpriced QX9770. You use a DP/MP xeon system. You can quite easily stick 2 quad xeons in a cheap workstation mb and have a very flexible system.

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/research/papers/ipdps08.pdf
 
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And 1 teraflop = 1000 gigaflops. WTF did 1024 come from? A math bug? Working in SP? :roll: :pimp:
You cant be serious. Where do you get your information?
 
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You cant be serious. Where do you get your information?
FLOP (floating-point operation) is not a data figure (or function of 8 (8, 16, 32, 64, 128.....1024....8192)). 1000 GFLOP = 1 TFLOP just as 1000 Megawatts make a TW.
 
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so tell me exactly what this is?

like in relation?

i know its not a grafx card but is it like a math co-processor?

or is it like a physx card?

or is it a physx card that acts as a co-processor?
Your machine relies entirely on CPU for running apps, with the visual part taken care of by the GPU(s). A HPC device such as NVidia Tesla or ATI FireStream can be used as massive boosts to raw computational power (like you're doing a big research on a small budget), you don't need to hire a supercomputing firm that eats into your research budget big time. All you need is to buy either a...

1. Nifty little HPC Card (The size of a 8800 GTX) that you can install right into your workstation.
2. A HPC system that has several cards running in tandem that you can connect to your lab's network.
3. A whole stack of 1U or 2U sized rack-mount systems with several GPU's each so one good rack packs the power of a >100-PC cluster.

...based on your requirement.

Then, you obtain SDK's from either ATI / NVIDIA. NVIDIA gives you the CUDA libraries that you can use your current IDE's to develop apps that run on these 'things' listed above. I'm sure AMD is working on one too.

Coding is not rocket-science. You code your apps (or buy/obtain licence of apps) that exploit these HPC setups.

Voila! You don't waste 10's of thousands of dollars of research budget on hiring supercomputers. You just buy these things once and your lab keeps them forever. Remember, hiring supercomps are extremely expensive, one session itself costs 1000's of dollars. Unless you really need the 1000's of TFLOPS, you should stay away from those things.

Therefore, HPC setups such as FireStream or Tesla can be extremely useful in Universities that don't own a supercomp.
 
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cool thanks :)
 
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^^ good answer.

The Ageia Physx is a similar card. It is basically *just* a math coprocessor too. Thing was... to try to make it a mainstream product, Ageia developed their SDK for games physics. I looked into the Physx for doing JUST math, for financial math in fact. Unfortunately, the SDK and math libraries were designed for a different purpose, and it wasnt that accessible for other applications / financial math. Possible in theory, but would have required writing one's own SDK components.

Other products in this area are:

Clearspeed http://www.clearspeed.com/

Spursengine SE1000 (for video, not general math) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpursEngine

Cell Broadband Engine http://www.mc.com/microsites/cell/
 

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I sooo wanted the CELL to come to the desktop. If only Windows supported PPC, it would have been possible. Afterall, the CELL is based on the PowerPC machine architecture.