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AMD Passes On Catalyst 14.1 beta to the Press, Public Release Shortly

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After last minute hiccups, AMD managed to release Catalyst 14.1 beta to the press. The driver brings along the first release of Mantle, AMD's ambitious 3D graphics API to rival Direct3D and OpenGL. Installing the driver was less than straightforward. We couldn't just install the driver over our Catalyst 13.12 WHQL installation like we normally do. A driver cleanup and reinstalling did the trick. Catalyst 14.1 beta enables the 3D renderer option in Battlefield 4, which lets you choose between DirectX 11.1 and Mantle.

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GIVE IT TO ME ARRGHHG#@!#!@^*#%*!%!*^#%!*^%#123#!@#(*&^UPTON
 
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Some nice tests here involving a 290X and GTX 780 Ghz using various processors:

http://pclab.pl/art55953-3.html

That 780 sure hates being CPU limited, Mantle could do it wonders. :p
 
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A bit disappointed over the limited GPUs that support Mantle thus far: seems like only GCN 1.1 GPUs are supported. Hopefully support for GCN 1.0 GPUs will soon follow.
 

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A bit disappointed over the limited GPUs that support Mantle thus far: seems like only GCN 1.1 GPUs are supported. Hopefully support for GCN 1.0 GPUs will soon follow.
DICE has a driver that gives them similar performance gains on an HD 7970. So a public release with optimizations for other GCN GPUs shouldn't be too far off.
 
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A bit disappointed over the limited GPUs that support Mantle thus far: seems like only GCN 1.1 GPUs are supported. Hopefully support for GCN 1.0 GPUs will soon follow.

Oh man, free stuff, so disappointing.

Q: What hardware is supported with Mantle?
A: At this time, the following Graphics Core Next-based products are supported:

  • AMD Radeon™ R9 Series graphics
  • AMD Radeon™ R7 Series graphics
  • AMD Radeon™ HD 7000 Series graphics
  • AMD Radeon™ HD 8000 Series graphics
  • 2014 AMD A-Series APUs (“Kaveri”)
 
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DICE has a driver that gives them similar performance gains on an HD 7970. So a public release with optimizations for other GCN GPUs shouldn't be too far off.
That's one of the reasons I'm a bit confused about it... But I guess the driver doesn't run stably enough on GCN 1.0 GPUs yet for AMD to give it out to the public.
Oh man, free stuff, so disappointing.
I'm not complaining about Mantle itself; I'm excited to get it, that's why I can hardly wait to give it a go.
 
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Some nice tests here involving a 290X and GTX 780 Ghz using various processors:

http://pclab.pl/art55953-3.html

That 780 sure hates being CPU limited, Mantle could do it wonders. :p
Ugh, PClab is garbage. They'll show a 780 beating a 290(X) in D3D while every other reviewer shows the 780 being easily surpassed

This is the same crap that was posted in the anand thread about mantle drivers (people were arguing about multithreaded driver support from AMD and pclab benchmarks were posted for a 780 that owned everything....only for real results to be posted in response showing it to be a little faster than a 7970, which is correct).
 
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That's one of the reasons I'm a bit confused about it... But I guess the driver doesn't run stably enough on GCN 1.0 GPUs yet for AMD to give it out to the public.

I'm not complaining about Mantle itself; I'm excited to get it, that's why I can hardly wait to give it a go.
If your system runs the game fine right now, then i wouldn't worry about it. There will be glitches you will encounter. What you should really look forward to is the future games. EA is not pushing Mantle on BF4 for BF4. They are pushing Mantle for their Frostbite engine. It sounds like most of their AAA titles in the future will utilize Frostbite 3. Mantle support for BF4 sounds more like a trial run for them.

I'm waiting to see how this will affect Tom Clancy's Division. That game already look awesome. If I can get high/ultra settings on my lowly 7850, that would be awesome. I miss the old 8800GTX days where it lasted for years instead of just 1.
 
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Thanks ! waiting to files :p
 
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Hmm - I guess I´ll have to ditch my GTX 770 for a R290X.......
Oh well - lets see some reviews and tests first :ohwell:
 
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Overall, Mantle is far from being termed vaporware. It works like gangbusters, and we couldn't visually tell the difference in game effects between it and Direct3D. Performance gains are tangible...
Exciting news! Thanks for the quick feedback!!
 
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I want to see minimum framerates. Especially some of the maps that have bad drops into the 30's fps(paracel storm at B, Hainan Resort at C are the biggest problem areas) and that is regardless of quality/resolution settings.
 
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i've been waiting for TPU nembers thank you sir:clap:
 
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I wonder how mantle affects frame stability other than raw fps, can't wait to see more about this tech
 
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Idea is not new and has long been known;) !since the beginning of the development and use dual-core processors ! we want to use their full potential .That the engines coming Finally, I will say:rockout:.
Only the rights are turning the big bucks and stick to another outdated technology they in every way they wish to sell !
Finally, I will say for a few sentences of software supportwhich is becoming virtually obligatory for emerging technologies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap:
 
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Idea is not new and has long been known;) !since the beginning of the development and use dual-core processors ! we want to use their full potential .That the engines coming Finally, I will say:rockout:.
Only the rights are turning the big bucks and stick to another outdated technology they in every way they wish to sell !
Finally, I will say for a few sentences of software supportwhich is becoming virtually obligatory for emerging technologies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap:
google translate doesn't work that well, does it?
 
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Ugh, PClab is garbage. They'll show a 780 beating a 290(X) in D3D while every other reviewer shows the 780 being easily surpassed
Keep calm.....deep breaths....
PCLabs is using a GTX 780 GHz Edition - usually a stand-in for the 780 Ti where that card isn't available (performance being roughly equal). As you can see, the 1019 base/1072 boost frequencies indicate it isn't your usual run of the mill 780


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This is the same crap that was posted in the anand thread about mantle drivers (people were arguing about multithreaded driver support from AMD and pclab benchmarks were posted for a 780 that owned everything....only for real results to be posted in response showing it to be a little faster than a 7970, which is correct).
Yes, it's clearly a giant conspiracy. You've done well uncovering it.
 
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Cannot wait to try this on my 7970's
 

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This linked article shows why the driver has been delayed...
=> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_mantle_preview,1.html

Knows issues with the current Mantle driver build:

Now I am not too interested in the issues as they will be solved and this is a Beta driver, but it does tell the current state of what current product are actually supported, have a peek.

  • Press evaluation build: Installing AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta on top of an existing AMD Catalyst revision may cause a system hang. Ensure the provided installation instructions are utilized to avoid this issue.
  • Intermittent stuttering or stability issues may occur when utilizing Mantle with AMD CrossFire technology in BattleField 4.
  • Mantle performance for the AMD Radeon HD 7000/HD 8000 Series GPUs and AMD Radeon R9 280X and R9 270X GPUs will be optimized for BattleField 4 in future AMD Catalyst releases. These products will see limited gains in BattleField 4 and AMD is currently investigating optimizations for them.
  • Multi-GPU support under DirectX and Mantle will be added to StarSwarm in a future application patch.
  • Notebooks based on AMD Enduro or PowerXpress technologies are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™.
  • AMD Eyefinity configurations utilizing portrait display orientations are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™.
  • Graphics hardware in the AMD A10-7850K and A10-7700K may override the presence of a discrete GPU under the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4.
  • AMD testing for the AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta has been concentrated on the following products: AMD Radeon R9 290X, R9 290, R9 280, R9 270, R7 260X, R7 260, HD 7000 Series, HD 8000 Series, A10-7850K and A10-7700K. Future AMD Catalyst™ releases will include full test coverage for all AMD products supported by Mantle.
 
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hmm this might help me since I'm still on i7-920.

Only one big problem - I'm on Nvidia card :cry::cry:
 
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Driver leak please, it has been before. I want to test my 3930k with 2x 290x.
 
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I'm waiting to see how this will affect Tom Clancy's Division. That game already look awesome. If I can get high/ultra settings on my lowly 7850, that would be awesome. I miss the old 8800GTX days where it lasted for years instead of just 1.
strange choice of numbers, did you mean 8800gt? but most people with that were on lower resolutions, i cant imagine what they had to deal with at 1080p if a 4850 was faster (& i had a 4870x2 where a lot of games werent hitting 60 on a single 4870 at 1080p/1200p)

8800gtx was a $600+ high end card, a 7850 is not a $600 high end card, a 7970 would be the right comparison, but both of these 7 series are going strong for 2 years onward

everything lasts as long as you want it, it's still few games that want to cram a ton of eye candy in them, depending on the resolution you're trying to hit of course

only big paradigm shifts seem to be the brick walls, like when games started getting very shader heavy (i've seen crysis on a 7900gs, it ran 2fps compared to 20+ on an 8800gt at the same settings), or when dx9b games stopped appearing which blocked x800 & 9800 users
 
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Basically, the more CPU limited the your setup is, the greater the improvement Mantle will make over DX.

I'd like to see something like an old Athlon x2 paired with a R9 xxx. Would be interesting.