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AMD Phenom II x4 970 BE heats

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Guys i currenty use this cpu with ASUS M5A97 and a Akasa x4 CPU cooler. I was wondering can i make basic overclocking eith TPU if i get a H80i? My current temps are 40-50 idle and 65max on load. Whatdo you think about the numbers? I'm using it with a really cheap useless thermal paste and i guess i put too much. :D so if i use a quality one with right amount would the temperatures get better? And also, there is a small scratch on the cpu surface, you think it might be affecting the temps? Is it worth buying a H80i?
 

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That Akasa unit is only slightly better than a stock heatsink and your temps are normal there. A H80 cooler will definitely get you better temps and allow for some overclock headroom. :)
 
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the small scratch shouldn't do anything to heat as the thermal paste should fill the void and squeeze out air.

anyone thinking of/or overclocking should go for aftermarket cooling, and maybe better thermal paste. nothing to expensive as there isn't a huge amount of difference at this level.

and like erocker said the akasa is just like the stock (bit better) but the h80 will allow you to push more than stock.

don't forget ambient temps play a HUGE part in this, so bare this in mind
 

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Is the mobo an M5A97 or an M5A97 EVO?

The EVO board has a heatsink on the VRM circuit and more power phases... which will allow you a greater/more stable overclock ;)

*Note-Keep an eye on VRM temps regardless of the board you have/cpu cooler you use- they will get hot if your overclock too high.
 

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Unfortunately it's a non-EVO model but i only aim 4-4.2 GHz. Can i do it with my mobo and using it's TPU? I don't know how to manually overclock so. But i intend to learn it. So you say H80i with a quality thermal paste would have nice results? :) I want it especcially for cooling.
 
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im currently running a Phenom II X4 955 BE on a ASRock 970 extrem 3 with a Corsair H60 (single fan for the moment, im waiting my 2 Corsair SP120) i use Arctic cooling Mx4 for thermal compound

temp are 39.5 idle and 55 load its a 3.2ghz oc @ 4ghz
i forgot to look temp when i tested it @ 4.2ghz x)

i support what was said above a H80i will give you good result and room for OC
as thermal compound i recommend Arctic cooling Mx4 Prolimatech PK-1 Nano (personal experiences.) Arctic Silver and some Gelid (i dont remember the type) give also good results

i also saw you post about a FX6300, your Phenom II X4 970 will do just fine as my does, for gpu i use a XFX R7950DD 3gb they pair just fine (till i can find a sweetdeals over a 8320/8350 xD) ie: tomb raider, ultimate settings 48fps average (wich is not so bad) with 95.4% cpu total (100/95.5/98.5/98.5) and 99% gpu afaik it doesnt bottleneck ... or i miss something ... Crysis 3 and far cry 3 BD does also same and i dont think there is some more demanding game than those 3 here
 
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So, i've been thinking through this and i decided to get a Corsair H60 V2 from Tigerdirect for 60 bucks which i think a nice price. I want to do a push-pull configuration and i intent to buy another fan with it. I was thinking about Corsair AP120 Quiet or Performance (doesn't matter actually i can sacrifice some CFM for the noise. ^^). But then i found the Cougar Vortex Orange fan which is in the link below. I heard that these series Cougar fans are really good and i wanted to have your opinions? You think they are better than Corsair ones? And one last thing since the cooler comes with only 4 bolts for fans, how can i install the second fan?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1454992&Sku=H702-3000
 
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not AP120 but (i think you mix up with SP and AF since i dont see AP )

Corsair SP120 High Perf. Ed. (Static pressure) better buy 2 than keep the one you get with the H60 V2 2 fan of the same model works better.

i will use 2 Corsair SP120 High Perf. Ed. on my H60

for the bolts you need 4x M3x30mm kit like that one


those cougar might also work but they arent static pressure (variation from 60.4cfm to 102.6cfm)
 

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I meant AF yes sorry. ^^ So you say Static Pressure is better for the cooler? And are performance edition ones too loud? Is it worth the CFM? Since i there won't be any cpu fans, i think it should still be quieter than my current PC. ^^ So M3x30MM bolts are ok you say? I fear that i might damage the radiator? Will these bolts fit fine? ^^
 
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for water cooling (AIO specially) afaik SP is better and in my case i use actually 1 3 35db fan they arent too loud while gaming.

you want better cooling then you go SP high perf SP quiet are just 12db less

AF are even quieter than SP (lower RPM obviously)



for the bolts 25mm is the height of the fan and 5mm more to 30 fo the rad or you can also mesure the one you allready get with the H60 V2 and get some similare blots
also i recommend kits not only the bolts since it has some spacer to reduce the lenght of the screw if it seems too long ... you cant damage the rad unless you force too much on the screw, just do it slowly once you try it.
 
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no problems i try to help when i can (if i can find the link i was searching about what i write i post it but i cant remember where i saw SP where better than variable pressure fan) also if you can hit the "thanks" button if i helped:D i
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i found something about the fans recommendation
Closed Loop Coolers
All-In-One coolers
All-in-One Closed Loop Coolers
Prebuilt Watercoolers




we know what all the above mean... As of late 2008 Corsair managed to take a design only available in Alienware hardware provided by Asetek and made it available to the public via their Hydro series of coolers. On paper it was a breakthrough, but for seasoned vets this made the line between custom/kit loops blur with pre-built units that offered the advantage of no maintenance and only needed to blow compressed air through the fins of the radiator if temps went a lil bad(possible during scheduled rig cleaning).




Since then others have joined on the prebuilt bandwagon: Antec, Coolermaster, CoolIt , Thermaltake to name a few. Asetek were the bulk manufacturer of coolers until a few mergers took place. Corsair now are in joint venture with CoolIt while Antec are in line with Asetek solutions.




Some brands (and their units) to consider while shopping for C.L.C's are:




Antec's Kühler H2O series come in with their 620/920 units respectively
Corsair's Hydro (also referred to as the Hxx) series units - H40/50/60/70/80/100
CoolerMaster have one in the pipelines dubbed Eisberg 120/240
Thermaltake have their Bigwater/Water 2.0 (Performance/Pro/Extreme) lineups - but I'd stay away from them.




Tubing
Previous versions of Asetek ventures have units made with a corrugated plastic tube with anti-kink measures. They may look aesthetically displeasing but they function to prevent flow restrictions. Corsair units come in this flavor except for the H40, which has smooth rubber tubing similar to that available from Norprene. Antec also come in rubber tubing and their advantage is that they are easily maneuverable in tight spaces such as a Silverstone SG07/08 case scenario. Both forms of tubing are of low permeability.




Radiator
the real question with most people investing in these ALC's are "what fans should I buy?"
answer:
the fans should be chosen according to their fin spacing.




here are a few specs
H50/60/70/80 = 16~17 FPI (Fins Per Inch)
H100 = 20~21 FPI

Fans
Recommended fans to go with the units are
Scythe AP-15
Noiseblocker 2000RPM PWM fans
Noctua NF F-12
Corsair SP120<<<<<<<<<!
Yate Loons
* the stock fans provided by Corsair are 50cfm fans, static pressure and bearing type aren't known.

preferably high static pressured fans will do the job.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<!

configuration
From experience, Push/Pull setups are the best route to go

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky#t1992120

edit: for radiator and heatsink Static pressure fan are the way to go Air Flow fan are for case ( corsair SP an AF meaning bw)
 
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