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AMD Piledriver is called "FX NEXT"

Buying Bulldozer when released?


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#1
So what is AMD calling Piledriver? FX-Next. :wtf:
Several websites reporting that Piledriver based on Socket AM3+ will be 10% faster than current Bulldozer CPU's.:D
AMD Piledriver 10% faster than Bulldozer

CPU / Chipset | 2011/10/03 09:20 | Jacob Hugosson

If our math is correct we are just 9 days away from Bulldozer, but due to delays of the processor there is already talk about the successor that builds on the same base, Piledriver. According to the latest sources Piledriver will bring 10% better x86 performance that Bulldozer.

Piledriver will use the exact same platform as Bulldozer, I.e. chipsets of the 9 series and Socket AM3+. Southbridge and northbridge will thus bring no real news, but the same functions as seen with current AM3+ motherboards. Those who have bought an AM3+ motherboard in advance, can be happy to know that Piledriver should work if the manufacturer releases a BIOS update to support the new processor........
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/44317-amd-piledriver-10-faster-than-bulldozer.html

 
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Will I buy an FX processor at release? No.
Will I buy an FX processor? Maybe.
Will I buy a Piledriver cpu? Maybe.
Will I buy a Piledriver cpu at release? Maybe.
Will I buy either an Bulldozer or Piledriver cpu? Yes.
When will I buy an FX or 'FX-next' processor? Yet to be determined.
 
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I just like saying "piledriver" It sounds like some sort of sexual innuendo
 
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Piledriver/Tombstone piledriver >8D
 

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So when you figure the delays Piledriver will eventually have, it's just like Phenom -> Phenom II all over again. Oh well. :ohwell:
 
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So when you figure the delays Piledriver will eventually have, it's just like Phenom -> Phenom II all over again. Oh well. :ohwell:
I actually skipped the original Phenom, i dont remember it being around long wasn't it late 2007 then in late 2008 we got the Phenom IIs?

Wasn't AM2+ around for a hell of a long time? Can we expect AM3+ to do the same? I read a lot of AM3+ boards will support Piledriver with a bios update.
 
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Gen2 PCI-E eh
 

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Makes me think of the wrestling move the "piledriver".
thats what they mean exactly.

Im Just Glad AM3+ wont be shunned n will have life in it, so AMD will have 2 Next Gen CPUs on AM3+, Im suspecting BD/Piledriver to be on FM2 I suppose n eventually FM2 will replace AM3+ as the complete Platform, I wouldnt be surprised if APUs are on FM2 aswell, now what gets me is, too bad APUs cant be configured a certain way, say if you have like a high end vid card, you dont need the graphics portion of the APU, why not make that space useful for FPU math for the CPU itself, or precaching graphical stage for the external vid cards.
 
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Need one more option in the poll. : 'Waiting to see reviews before making a decision.'
 
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Need one more option in the poll. : 'Waiting to see reviews before making a decision.'
this

also an "I is too poor to buy anything" option
 
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So when you figure the delays Piledriver will eventually have, it's just like Phenom -> Phenom II all over again. Oh well. :ohwell:
May be true, but I don't see this that way. We are getting 8 cores with 16MB of cache for a steal. I can see Bulldozer winning in price/performance.

Phenom I was a mistake, due to upper management. Phenom II is that mistake sort of made right; though it didn't perform the way it was meant to. It was designed to perform much better. Bulldozer may be for instance Phenom II with Piledriver succeeding it as say Phenom III, but no way is Bulldozer Phenom I in my opinion.
 
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I actually skipped the original Phenom, i dont remember it being around long wasn't it late 2007 then in late 2008 we got the Phenom IIs?

Wasn't AM2+ around for a hell of a long time? Can we expect AM3+ to do the same? I read a lot of AM3+ boards will support Piledriver with a bios update.
The 8-Core Piledriver (Bulldozer II) based on Socket AM3+ is different than the 10-Core Piledriver (Piledriver II) based on Socket FM2 that may get released sometime in 2013, and is set to completely replace Socket AM3+. :confused:

This IMO is great news because Socket AM3+ will have a long life with a solid upgrade path. Knowing AMD very well, they might further the life of Socket AM3+ beyond 2013. :D

That said, I think AMD needs to leave Socket AM3+ and move to Socket FM2 in order to take full advantage of Bulldozer/Piledriver's successor. :eek:

What AMD needs to do is FIX there IMC and perhaps either go Tri-Channel for the high end market or Quad-Channel. If done properly this could boost CPU performance by a HUGE amount and the DDR manufacturers will love 8 x DDR slots on mobo's. :eek:
 
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What AMD needs to do is FIX there IMC and perhaps either go Tri-Channel for the high end market or Quad-Channel. If done properly this could boost CPU performance by a HUGE amount and the DDR manufacturers will love 8 x DDR slots on mobo's.
Can I buy pot from you?

X79 has twice the memory bandwidth of 1155. You know how much that helped performance? 0-1% outside of memory specific synthetic benchmarks. Everyone goes on about memory but it makes such a small freakin' difference it's akin to an audiophile buying monster cable.
 
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Can I buy pot from you?

X79 has twice the memory bandwidth of 1155. You know how much that helped performance? 0-1% outside of memory specific synthetic benchmarks. Everyone goes on about memory but it makes such a small freakin' difference it's akin to an audiophile buying monster cable.
Listen Tri and Quad sound better than Dual O.K. :D
 
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I got this from somewhere but don't remeber right now.

With the fact that Piledriver is being released so soon I believe that AMD knew about the design's problems (branch prediction, pipeline flushing, cache trashing, decode unit not wide enough) but instead counted on higher frequencies to make up until Piledriver could be released. Anandtech's review also shows that cache latency is worse than Phenom II. Both problems can be blamed on Global Foundries' poor 32nm process. Cache latency can be increased and clockspeeds lowered to get higher yields.

I think that AMD saw the problems that needed re-working but decided that clockspeed would be enough to counter them for the time being but then a few months later they find that yields were too poor and had no choice but to launch as is.
 
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I got this from somewhere but don't remeber right now.

With the fact that Piledriver is being released so soon I believe that AMD knew about the design's problems (branch prediction, pipeline flushing, cache trashing, decode unit not wide enough) but instead counted on higher frequencies to make up until Piledriver could be released. Anandtech's review also shows that cache latency is worse than Phenom II. Both problems can be blamed on Global Foundries' poor 32nm process. Cache latency can be increased and clockspeeds lowered to get higher yields.

I think that AMD saw the problems that needed re-working but decided that clockspeed would be enough to counter them for the time being but then a few months later they find that yields were too poor and had no choice but to launch as is.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Piledriver will be the CPU they "should" have released(or so the specs of it would lead us to believe) But they were already committed to Bulldozer.
 
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Can I buy pot from you?

X79 has twice the memory bandwidth of 1155. You know how much that helped performance? 0-1% outside of memory specific synthetic benchmarks. Everyone goes on about memory but it makes such a small freakin' difference it's akin to an audiophile buying monster cable.
Audiophiles don't buy Monster cables. Poseurs do. :roll: (And n00bs)

Memory bandwidth will help in professional market, with their multithreaded and bandwidth hungry apps.
But they will have server mobos and memory for that.

More memory would be a boon for pro-sumers too, people who work at home and buy consumer grade gear to do professional work.
And students, too in certain scenarios.
 
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666. lol
 

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Piledriver based on Socket AM3 will be 10% faster than current Bulldozer CPU's.
Not close to being enough. Everyone waiting for this do yourself a favor and buy a 2500/2600K. It's a vastly superior chip. I bought a Bulldozer and I knew it stunk before I bought it. It's now going to sit in it's tin can until issues are worked out.
 
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There should be an option that say "No, planning to upgrade later" or "I don't know" I voted "waiting for Piledriver" because it's the closest option but I am not waiting straight for Piledriver. I won't buy Bulldozer, nor I am an Intel-only. :)

EDIT: How I can change my vote to "Just No" now that it has been added? :confused:
 
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So what is AMD calling Piledriver? FX-Next.
Ahahahahahahahah!!! :laugh: :roll:

So their marketing team is great at overhype and get a pie in the face when they have to come up with product names. :laugh: Too funny! :roll:


10% faster than slow is...slow. :(