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I understand AMD has been on schedule releasing a chip every year but it couldnt last. Die shrink plus a whole new architecture that isnt AMD's style since the last time they failed at it...i feel the sources are wrong. Die shrink plus a whole new architecture is a no no. They didnt learn from themselves and Nvidia?
hence why they prototype them in the current range, wouldnt be surprised AMD releases another 6000 Series GPU that isnt the top model n see where it performs.
 

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I understand AMD has been on schedule releasing a chip every year but it couldnt last. Die shrink plus a whole new architecture that isnt AMD's style since the last time they failed at it...i feel the sources are wrong. Die shrink plus a whole new architecture is a no no. They didnt learn from themselves and Nvidia?
69xx series was supposed to be based on this new archetecture. It didn't happen. Parts of the new archetecture were incorporated instead. AMD has had plenty of time to get the next archetecture and die shrink ready for this year.
 
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6900 series dosent seem to have any of AMDs new GCN in it. Maybe someone that knows GPUs alot better would care to chime in.
 
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I want the 7xxx series, then the 6xxx series will drop in price and hello cheap crossfire. Also how better the 7xxx how further the older cards will drop (hopefully), then i likely will get a 8xxx series when they release.
Don't bet on it pal. I waited for the 6900 series to drop precisely because I thought it would lower prices on the 5800 series and I could get a second 5850 for cheap. It didn't happen. Not only did it not happen, but it didn't happen due to 5800 rarity long before Bitcoin mining maintained the high prices and even pumped them up a little.

Trust me, don't count those chickens before they hatch...
 
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Don't bet on it pal. I waited for the 6900 series to drop precisely because I thought it would lower prices on the 5800 series and I could get a second 5850 for cheap. It didn't happen. Not only did it not happen, but it didn't happen due to 5800 rarity long before Bitcoin mining maintained the high prices and even pumped them up a little.

Trust me, don't count those chickens before they hatch...
Because there wasn't a huge performance advantage with the HD 6000 series over the HD 5000 series, due to the fact they were both based on the same manufacturing process i.e., 40nm process...
AMD already finished and was fully ready to mass produce the HD 7000 (Micro-Architecture Built from the Ground Up) series which was suppose to be named the HD 6000 series. But like always TSMC messed up the 32nm process and AMD was forced to come up with a new code name Northern Islands (HD 6000 series) with the same 40nm process as the HD 5000 series.
So yes we can expect Southern Islands HD 7000 sometime late this year 2011, based on the 28nm process and the architecture that is said to be built from the ground up...
 
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Because there wasn't a huge performance advantage with the HD 6000 series over the HD 5000 series, due to the fact they were both based on the same manufacturing process i.e., 40nm process...
AMD already finished and was fully ready to mass produce the HD 7000 (Micro-Architecture Built from the Ground Up) series which was suppose to be named the HD 6000 series. But like always TSMC messed up the 32nm process and AMD was forced to come up with a new code name Northern Islands (HD 6000 series) with the same 40nm process as the HD 5000 series.
So yes we can expect Southern Islands HD 7000 sometime late this year 2011, based on the 28nm process and the architecture that is said to be built from the ground up...
Heh, I know the history behind Northern Islands well, thanks. Doesn't change the truth in what I said though.

When the 6000 series was launched, AMD basically put the 5000 series out to pasture ultra quick for regular market churn. (R)Etailers were declaring 5000 series End of Life very quick and supplies dwindled to whatever was left in the channel just over a year after it was launched. I got my first 5850 in Nov. 2009, and in Dec. 2010/Jan. 2011, it was pretty hard to find a 2nd at non-exorbitant pricing... at least when I was looking.

The point that 6900 cards didn't push down the MSRP of 5800 cards still stands. And no way was a 5870 worth only $50~60 less than a 6970, which was typical at the time.
 

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Will the 79xx series run optimally on PCI-E 2.0 or would they require 3.0 mobos?
I'm thinknig that 7-series might actually be able to saturate PCIe 2.0 fairly easily. Maybe not in 3D just yet, but that's not all GPUs are used for. Multicard is going to be interesting...
 

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6900 series dosent seem to have any of AMDs new GCN in it.
5870-->6970 Wasn't a huge step up. GCN and shaders aren't the only parts that make up a GPU. All I'm saying is the next series of cards (hd7000) are more likely to be a larger step up like 4870 to 5870 was.
 
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would be interesting to see this GCN in action, aren't they using VLIW since the Radeon 9700 series?
 

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AMD 7xxx series info surfaces

HD 7000 Southern Islands 28nm
HD 7990 New Zealand GCN
HD 7970 Tahiti XT GCN 1000MHz 32CUs 2048ALUs 128TMUs 64ROPs 256bit XDR2 8.0Gbps 256GB/s 2GB 190W HP
HD 7950 Tahiti Pro GCN 900MHz 30CUs 1920ALUs 120TMUs 64ROPs 256bit XDR2 7.2Gbps 230GB/s 2GB 150W HP
HD 7870 Thames XT VLIW4 950MHz 24SIMDs 1536ALUs 96TMUs 32ROPs 256bit GDDR5 5.8Gbps 186GB / s 2GB 120W HPL
HD 7850 Thames Pro VLIW4 850MHz 22SIMDs 1408ALUs 88TMUs 32ROPs 256bit GDDR5 5.2Gbps 166GB/s 2GB 90W HPL
HD 7670 Lombok XT VLIW4 900MHz 12SIMDs 768ALUs 48TMUs 16ROPs 128bit GDDR5 5.0Gbps 80GB/s 1GB 60W HPL
HD 7570 Lombok Pro VLIW4 750MHz 12SIMDs 768ALUs 48TMUs 16ROPs 128bit GDDR5 4.0Gbps 64GB/s 1GB 50W HPL
SOURCE
 

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8Gbps wow! I thought they would 7Gbps in this new gen but 8Gbps is something else!

And the HD7970 set to become a 1GHz card!!! amazing!!!

Whats HP and HPL stand for?

Even the HD7570 will be as powerful as the HD6790 in gaming, thats like "HOLY SHIT"

But I have a doubt, a serious one. XDR2? Really? That's like.. no way



"FAKE"
 
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As much as I'd like for that to be true, there is no way I'm buying it.
 
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This is how I feel atm...


 

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8Gbps wow! I thought they would 7Gbps in this new gen but 8Gbps is something else!

And the HD7970 set to become a 1GHz card!!! amazing!!!

Whats HP and HPL stand for?

Even the HD7570 will be as powerful as the HD6790 in gaming, thats like "HOLY SHIT"

But I have a doubt, a serious one. XDR2? Really? That's like.. no way



"FAKE"
yeah Fermi was rumored to have 1ghz core clocks but that didnt happen, however since AMD is know to have high stock clocks on their cards i can see it. its about time we have 1ghz clocks out of the factory for reference cards
 

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its probably fud by keep this in mind

this isnt a half jump like we usually see but a full jump

remember originally we were expecting 32nm gpus but that was shit canned now where at 28nm this gives them alot of room to work with compared to what was originally expected, so this is entirely possible and even if you look at the specs if you do a rough comparison of what the cards in theory are capable of were looking at 40% performance jump at the high end with the same TDPs thats within the realm of possibility
 

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^^ if the above is true crazy-I's, I am taking a look at a 7850 when/if it releases at those outlined specs.
 

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^^ if the above is true crazy-I's, I am taking a look at a 7850 when/if it releases at those outlined specs.
im thinking a 7950 will fit the bill, if nvidia's cards do turn out to be just die shrunk fermi's
 

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yea 7850 is essentially from the looks a 6950 with a slightly higher core clock it could swing either way performance wise but i would expect better geometry throughput for tessellation and improved shader performance so in retro spect a 7850 would be to the current gen what a 5850 is to the high end now, a good mainstream gpu that should hit the right price points in the Sub $240 market

i would expect
7990 = $700-800
7970 = $400
7950 = $300
7870 = $250
7850 = $200
7770 = $175
7750 = $150
7670 = $130
7650 = $110
7570 = $90

now i realize some of the above isnt on the list but lets face it those gpus do exist and will exist when the time comes most likely price arrangement is probably pretty close to the above as well
 
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#47
8Gbps wow! I thought they would 7Gbps in this new gen but 8Gbps is something else!

And the HD7970 set to become a 1GHz card!!! amazing!!!

Whats HP and HPL stand for?

Even the HD7570 will be as powerful as the HD6790 in gaming, thats like "HOLY SHIT"

But I have a doubt, a serious one. XDR2? Really? That's like.. no way



"FAKE"
Never mind that no one is making XDR2 currently. So you would have to ramp production for a product that doesn't exist yet.

Fwiw, others were using Gddr5 before the 4870 came out.

So yea, I'm with the fake crowd.
 

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#49
and yet the 7900 wont be coming out till most like late spring 2012, so thats still about 8 months away for the High end gpus.
 
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#50
I wonder if Tahiti core will be different than the rest like they are different between HD6800 and HD6900 series. XDR2 looks nice. Do want the HD7950, hopefully unlockable to HD7970 :D