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Thought this might interest people: the 6500XT has some *very* erratic pricing

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In my area most of these cards are sold out. I do understand it though for $339 vs $599 for a 6600 there is tremendous cost savings and it is faster than a vanilla 1650. You still get FSR, REbar and whatever AMD is cooking up to improve performance. Those features can no longer be ignored.
 
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In my area most of these cards are sold out. I do understand it though for $339 vs $599 for a 6600 there is tremendous cost savings and it is faster than a vanilla 1650. You still get FSR, REbar and whatever AMD is cooking up to improve performance. Those features can no longer be ignored.

Yes, but only (maybe) if you're using a PCIe 4.0 Mobo with a PCIe 4.0 CPU. I'd rather have the 1650 on PCIe 3.0, but IMO the 6600 for $470 (MSI Mech @Newegg) is a better PCIe 3.0 "value" (LOL) than both.
 

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What these reviews show though is that the 6500xt is a passable entry level gpu if you have a gen 4 pci interface but for many with older mobos you'd be better off with a previous gen 5500xt.
In addition overclockers has the old 8gb 5500xt (out of stock obvs) showing their previous price which is about £30 less than the 6500xt.
 
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Yes, but only (maybe) if you're using a PCIe 4.0 Mobo with a PCIe 4.0 CPU. I'd rather have the 1650 on PCIe 3.0, but IMO the 6600 for $470 (MSI Mech @Newegg) is a better PCIe 3.0 "value" (LOL) than both.
I wish I could get a 6600 for $470 I would already have bought one. Unfortunately they are a minimum of $549 here in Canada. The thing is you can get cheap B550 boards like the MSI Pro https://www.newegg.ca/msi-b550m-pro...8XEe1tS2v6o8o60agqQdlzD2OKZjpzJhoCAfYQAvD_BwE
 
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Today i saw a interessting price for a Asus RX 6500 it was about 509€ and the second listing was a RTX 2060 12GB for 512€. :laugh:
(3rd was a 6600 for 549€)

Idk who is buying a RX6500 for this price if he can get a 2060 12GB :confused:
 
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Today i saw a interessting price for a Asus RX 6500 it was about 509€ and the second listing was a RTX 2060 12GB for 512€. :laugh:
(3rd was a 6600 for 549€)

Idk who is buying a RX6500 for this price if he can get a 2060 12GB :confused:
I would take an RTX 2060 over an RX 6500 XT, anyday!
 
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Today i saw a interessting price for a Asus RX 6500 it was about 509€ and the second listing was a RTX 2060 12GB for 512€. :laugh:
(3rd was a 6600 for 549€)

Idk who is buying a RX6500 for this price if he can get a 2060 12GB :confused:
Asus is crazy with their Strix pricing. A 6600 for $699 while the MSI Mech 6600Xt was $649.
 

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The worst thing is the 6500xt is a failure which affects everyone. The 3050 will have no competition hence supply will outstrip demand and all gpu prices will remain high.
 

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Could be an interesting card for my X58 rig, but the performance hit from PCIe 2.0 is just too much, dammit.
 
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Could be an interesting card for my X58 rig, but the performance hit from PCIe 2.0 is just too much, dammit.
Likely incompatible with the BIOS, don't be surprised if the BIOS tells you that every setting is lost and makes you reconfigure the BIOS! Known issue with AMI BIOS on Asus X58 motherboards that are pre-UEFI.
Makes it look like the battery isn't connected or low!
 

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Likely incompatible with the BIOS, don't be surprised if the BIOS tells you that every setting is lost and makes you reconfigure the BIOS! Known issue with AMI BIOS on Asus X58 motherboards that are pre-UEFI.
Makes it look like the battery isn't connected or low!
Good point, I always forget that newer cards don't always like pre-UEFI hardware.
 
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Good point, I always forget that newer cards don't always like pre-UEFI hardware.
Vice-versa, pre-UEFI, especially AMI BIOS on Asus, which don't like it at all. Symptoms look like the late cards overwrite part of the pre-UEFI-BIOS-used RAM regions. Something in the UEFI-gen cards, are causing a CMOS access issue.

Causes these strange symptoms: BIOS menu is laggy and when you unplug the PSU, for example, to move it, you'll be forced to re-enter everything. And, prepare for the BIOS to search for a network drive and make you wait.

I only noticed this BIOS disease symptom when I unplugged the PC, because of a thunderstorm, IIRC. (In 2019, when I wanted to use my Radeon RX 580)
This issue, made me get another socket 1366 motherboard, only to get the same thing!
 
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AMD really needs to reenable PCIe 4.0 support in agesa for the old A320, B350, X370, B450 and X470, It would be interesting to test these cards with some board with these chipsets and the latest bios that support PCI-e 4.0 before AMD blocked its use in the following Agesa updates, now that they have removed the lock on the processors it makes no sense that someone could use a 5800X3D on an X370 board and AMD artificially lock the PCI-e 4.0 lines of the processor.
 
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AMD really needs to reenable PCIe 4.0 support in agesa for the old A320, B350, X370, B450 and X470, It would be interesting to test these cards with some board with these chipsets and the latest bios that support PCI-e 4.0 before AMD blocked its use in the following Agesa updates, now that they have removed the lock on the processors it makes no sense that someone could use a 5800X3D on an X370 board and AMD artificially lock the PCI-e 4.0 lines of the processor.

There are extra signal integrity requirements with pcie4.0, older boards weren't designed for it, some might be able to use it but it would be a mess to certify and debug so having it locked is a sensible decision unlike cpu support which was promised from the start and arbitarily locked out for a long while
 

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There are extra signal integrity requirements with pcie4.0, older boards weren't designed for it, some might be able to use it but it would be a mess to certify and debug so having it locked is a sensible decision unlike cpu support which was promised from the start and arbitarily locked out for a long while
Yeah. Wasn't B550A actually a B450 but with PCIe4.0 support?
 
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Is anyone who is complaining about the 6500XT actually an owner of one? Let me tell you what I like about the 6500XT.

1. The lowest price 6500Xt is $229 Canadian or $177 US
2. Combined idle power (5600, 6500XT) 13 Watts.
3. The Memory has no problem OC to 2400 MHZ
4. The GPU OC to 2930 MHZ and sustained boost clock is 2858 in most Games
5. The max power draw is about 90 Watts
6. The largest cards are only dual slot
7. The PSU does not need to be more than 400W
8. It blows the 1650 away
9. It is cheaper than the 3050
10. It supports HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4

In particular I want to talk about HDMI 2.1 as that is what a 4K TV needs to support VRR (Freesync) at 120HZ. That is not the key though as it is the minimum is what I mean. Let's say you are playing Cyberpunk at 1440P on your 4K TV using RSR is not required as applying FSR Quality will get you around 40 FPS which might seem low but is in the VRR range. Anyone who plays TWWH2 with a Freesync monitor understands what I am talking about. Even 4X4 20 stack battles are smooth as butter even though the FPS can jump from 40 to 130 as the battle ensues.

Is anyone who is complaining about the 6500XT actually an owner of one? Let me tell you what I like about the 6500XT.

1. The lowest price 6500Xt is $229 Canadian or $177 US
2. Combined idle power (5600, 6500XT) 13 Watts.
3. The Memory has no problem OC to 2400 MHZ
4. The GPU OC to 2930 MHZ and sustained boost clock is 2858 in most Games
5. The max power draw is about 90 Watts
6. The largest cards are only dual slot
7. The PSU does not need to be more than 400W
8. It blows the 1650 away
9. It is cheaper than the 3050
10. It supports HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4

In particular I want to talk about HDMI 2.1 as that is what a 4K TV needs to support VRR (Freesync) at 120HZ. That is not the key though as it is the minimum is what I mean. Let's say you are playing Cyberpunk at 1440P on your 4K TV using RSR is not required as applying FSR Quality will get you around 40 FPS which might seem low but is in the VRR range. Anyone who plays TWWH2 with a Freesync monitor understands what I am talking about. Even 4X4 20 stack battles are smooth as butter even though the FPS can jump from 40 to 130 as the battle ensues.
BTW I am using it with a 5600G and don't see what all the noise is about PCIe 3.0.
 
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Is anyone who is complaining about the 6500XT actually an owner of one? Let me tell you what I like about the 6500XT.

1. The lowest price 6500Xt is $229 Canadian or $177 US
2. Combined idle power (5600, 6500XT) 13 Watts.
3. The Memory has no problem OC to 2400 MHZ
4. The GPU OC to 2930 MHZ and sustained boost clock is 2858 in most Games
5. The max power draw is about 90 Watts
6. The largest cards are only dual slot
7. The PSU does not need to be more than 400W
8. It blows the 1650 away
9. It is cheaper than the 3050
10. It supports HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4

In particular I want to talk about HDMI 2.1 as that is what a 4K TV needs to support VRR (Freesync) at 120HZ. That is not the key though as it is the minimum is what I mean. Let's say you are playing Cyberpunk at 1440P on your 4K TV using RSR is not required as applying FSR Quality will get you around 40 FPS which might seem low but is in the VRR range. Anyone who plays TWWH2 with a Freesync monitor understands what I am talking about. Even 4X4 20 stack battles are smooth as butter even though the FPS can jump from 40 to 130 as the battle ensues.


BTW I am using it with a 5600G and don't see what all the noise is about PCIe 3.0.
Well, with the PCIe 3.0 it is slower than running with PCIe 4.0 and in some games very noticeably.

I actually checked some benchmarks and prices. It appears that the 6500XT in general has the same performance as the 1650 Super. I have also checked pricing and it seems it's cheaper than a 1650 Super in Norway. Actually it is cheaper by a lot. $80-$120 depending on the card. Problem is, 1650 Super's are not in stock. It probably has been replaced by the 3050 but that one also costs more than a 6500 XT but round $130 and up.
That makes me think, if the 6500XT is an entry point card, considering price and what it offers in the current market, it is not that bad. The problem I see is, it's slower than a 5500XT.
 
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Well, the RX 6500 XT is more of a pathetic joke now than ever! Because I was able to get an RX 6600 XT for at or around $500 (including tax and any shipping fees) in very-late-March. Got it on March 28, so only took a few days. No shuffle required. That was from Newegg.

The RX 6600 XT is spanking a lot of other cards!
 
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