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if that's your logic then the 3070 is an even better deal as it's only 20 bucks more. Plus if ray tracing and dlss mean anything then 3070 will have even more value.


What in the heck are you talking about? Even going by just the msrp's that means all AMD is giving you is about 10% more performance per dollar over the 5700xt. That is an absolute joke of an improvement.

At least they are competing again.
 
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Why would anyone buy 6700XT over 3070 in normal market conditions (at MSRP)?

1. standard rasterization: -4% at 1080/1440p & -10% at 4K
2. No DLSS
3. RT around 20% higher performance hit
4. No Adobe cuda GPU acceleration support
5. Worse encoder
6. Abysmal +50% 20ms power consumption spikes rendering 6700XT dangerous for below 600W golden PSUs
7. No meaningful OC headroom
8. slower drivers upgrades due to smaller software team behind it

9. The only plus is 4 gigs more GDDR

This GPU should have MSRP of $399 MAX and $349 to call it great value proposition. Just be patient. You'll be able to buy this GPU for 200 to 250 bucks on 2nd hand market, once mining craze ends.
 
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Well, well, well, just like I figured - despite their claims, this is much closer to 3060Ti than a 3070 and that's in best case scenario (1080p, rasterization only)
I attached the image for 1440p, how is it much closer to the 3060TI?
I see it's 8.3% faster than the 3060Ti and 4% slower than 3070 (are we watching different reviews?)

Why would anyone buy 6700XT over 3070 in normal market conditions (at MSRP)?

1. standard rasterization: -4% at 1080/1440p & -10% at 4K
2. No DLSS
3. RT around 20% higher performance hit
4. No Adobe cuda GPU acceleration support
5. Worse encoder
6. Abysmal +50% 20ms power consumption spikes rendering 6700XT dangerous for below 600W golden PSUs
7. No meaningful OC headroom

8. The only plus is 4 gigs more GDDR

This GPU should have MSRP of $399 MAX and $349 to call it great value proposition. Just be patient. You'll be able to buy this GPU for 200 to 250 bucks on 2nd hand market, once mining craze ends.
It's the price, i think the 6700XT is a $450 gpu at max, to be a viable option over the 3070.
 

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It's just 20-25 percent faster (depending on resolution) than 5700XT and it costs 20% more (MSRP). Where is generation to generation added value in such MSRP? I see none.
Man how are you getting 20%

$479 of $449 is not 20%
 
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TPU got more 6700XT's than all Canada ;)

:)
Wizzard probably needs to upgrade his insurance/security at work, another year of this madness & they'll probably be worth millions* :eek:
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AMD has come out and said that they will not be imposing limitations on miners being able to use cards for mining so I wouldn't expect to actually be able to buy a 6700 XT for gaming.
 

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Only the ridiculous "50th anniversary" 5700XT had the MSRP of $449, the regular one was at $399 ;)
Initially it was $449 but than when Nvidia announced the Supers they cut the price down to $399

I remember as I had bought the 5700 XT Anniversary and the ASRock 5700XT Tachi
 
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It's just 20-25 percent faster (depending on resolution) than 5700XT and it costs 20% more (MSRP). Where is generation to generation added value in such MSRP? I see none.
Call it the RT tax, just like nvidia did when they went from pascal to touring (which i also hate).
 
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Why would anyone buy 6700XT over 3070 in normal market conditions (at MSRP)?

1. standard rasterization: -4% at 1080/1440p & -10% at 4K
2. No DLSS
3. RT around 20% higher performance hit
4. No Adobe cuda GPU acceleration support
5. Worse encoder
6. Abysmal +50% 20ms power consumption spikes rendering 6700XT dangerous for below 600W golden PSUs
7. No meaningful OC headroom
8. slower drivers upgrades due to smaller software team behind it

9. The only plus is 4 gigs more GDDR

This GPU should have MSRP of $399 MAX and $349 to call it great value proposition. Just be patient. You'll be able to buy this GPU for 200 to 250 bucks on 2nd hand market, once mining craze ends.
IMO the only think that comes to my mind that someone goes for this 6700XT instead of the 3070

Irrational hate for NVIDIA, nothing else lol
 
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Well, well, well, just like I figured - despite their claims, this is much closer to 3060Ti than a 3070 and that's in best case scenario (1080p, rasterization only). Under truly gpu bound circumstances (4K) those claims of 3070-like performance fall flat on their ass and that's not counting in the abysmal OC performance (1% against 3060Ti's 7.5% :D) and lack of DLSS, not to mention Ray Tracing...
I'm wondering why you are lying: even in 1440p, the 6700 XT is 9% faster than the 3060 Ti while 3070 is 4% faster. That means on a scale, it is twice closer to the 3070 compared to the 3060 Ti.




In 1440p SotTR, Techspot was able to OC it by 6%.



Plus you won't buy a 3070-like GPU for RT as it lacks power. Not to forget the extra 4 GB VRAM the 6700 XT has over the 3060 Ti and the 3070, which is needed for 4K, and even in 1440P sometimes.
 
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IMO the only think that comes to my mind that someone goes for this 6700XT instead of the 3070

Irrational hate for NVIDIA, nothing else lol
There are also those that swear by Linux' open source drivers. I'm not convinced it's a worthy trade off, but it's a reason nonetheless.
 
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AMD has come out and said that they will not be imposing limitations on miners being able to use cards for mining so I wouldn't expect to actually be able to buy a 6700 XT for gaming.
Less mining performance than 5700 isn't appealing for miners. Scalpers will try to grab as many as possible though.
 
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There are also those that swear by Linux' open source drivers. I'm not convinced it's a worthy trade off, but it's a reason nonetheless.
I think atm the 6000 AMD gpus have some issues in Linux open drivers also
 
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Man how are you getting 20%

$479 of $449 is not 20%
Where did you get $449? 5700XT FE had official MSRP of $399... Lisa wanted to charge $449 for it, but she changed her mind the last minute when she saw audience reaction. Now she clearly doesn't give a F... She knows AMD will sell every single unit it can get out of TSMC factory.

Call it the RT tax, just like nvidia did when they went from pascal to touring (which i also hate).
RT tax for what? Worse RT performance than competition 2 years later and still no AI super sampling? Jesus, you make me sound like I'm Ngreedia fan :( You have to call out bad practices be it from Nvidia or AMD. They both care only about milking DIY PC consumers to the max and then some more.
 
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Why would anyone buy 6700XT over 3070 in normal market conditions (at MSRP)?

1. standard rasterization: -4% at 1080/1440p & -10% at 4K
2. No DLSS
3. RT around 20% higher performance hit
4. No Adobe cuda GPU acceleration support
5. Worse encoder
6. Abysmal +50% 20ms power consumption spikes rendering 6700XT dangerous for below 600W golden PSUs
7. No meaningful OC headroom
8. slower drivers upgrades due to smaller software team behind it

9. The only plus is 4 gigs more GDDR

This GPU should have MSRP of $399 MAX and $349 to call it great value proposition. Just be patient. You'll be able to buy this GPU for 200 to 250 bucks on 2nd hand market, once mining craze ends.

Nobody is buying 3070 for RT performance. Not to mention the amount of games that truly support RT.

The extra 4 GB VRAM over the 3060 Ti and the 3070 is enough for the 6700XT to run games with very high VRAM needs smoother than those cards even in 1440P. So if you are interested in raw rasterization performance, that -4% difference means less than having 4 GB extra VRAM.
 
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RT tax for what? Worse RT performance than competition 2 years later and still no AI super sampling? Jesus, you make me sound like Ngreedia fan
I'm not saying i like it, i'm saying: nvidia upped by an insane amount the prices of touring relative to pascal because "RT", now amd is doing the same, upping the price because their last gen did not have "RT".
Also, at this moment they could set the msrp at $700 and they would fly of the shelves anyway...
 
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Even at MSRP the 5700XT initially launched at $449 vs the RX 6700XT at $479
No, the rumoured launch price of the 5700XT was $449 to mess with Nvidia's Super launch. Actual launch pricing was $399 right from day one, AMD official figures and true at retail (I bought a bunch of them).

The 5700 series was notable in that it came in cheaper than everyone in the industry expected it to come and undercut Nvidia's overpriced Turing lineup significantly.
 
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I'm not saying i like it, i'm saying: nvidia upped by an insane amount the prices of touring relative to pascal because "RT", now amd is doing the same, upping the price because their last gen did not have "RT".
Also, at this moment they could set the msrp at $700 and they would fly of the shelves anyway...
The problem with todays MSRPs is that they will stick even when mining craze ends. Expect 7700XT to cost north of 500 bucks. The only thing that can save DIY PC market from becoming niche for the rich and PC nerds willing to sell their kidneys for new GPUs is paradoxically Raja Koduri at Intel, pulling another "Polaris like GPU" out of a hat or we're F...ed. Ngreedia&AMD are clearly OK by maximizing profits in the short term no matter what.
 
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if that's your logic then the 3070 is an even better deal as it's only 20 bucks more. Plus if ray tracing and dlss mean anything then 3070 will have even more value.


What in the heck are you talking about? Even going by just the msrp's that means all AMD is giving you is about 10% more performance per dollar over the 5700xt. That is an absolute joke of an improvement.
Actually the 6700 XT is about 1,5% better in price performance compared to the RX 5700 XT, not 10%. However, I'm really waiting your at least this type of splutter on NV as the 3070 was even worse upgrade, 1% better regarding price/performance compared to the 2070.
 
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The problem with todays MSRPs is that they will stick even when mining craze ends. Expect 7700XT to cost north of 500 bucks. The only thing that can save DIY PC market from becoming niche for the rich and PC nerds willing to sell their kidneys for new GPUs is paradoxically Raja Koduri at Intel, pulling another "Polaris like GPU" out of a hat or we're F...ed. Ngreedia&AMD are clearly OK by maximizing profits in the short term no matter what.
That's very fucked up, i hope intel pulls that polaris stuff, or we're screwed for good.
 

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I think atm the 6000 AMD gpus have some issues in Linux open drivers also
I'm pretty sure between 3D acceleration power management, compute and HDMI sound, all AMD GPUs have some issues. But that doesn't stop people.
Conversely, AMD GPUs are better, for example, at turning themselves off when you run off the IGP.
 
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