The best samples they sent for reviews. Now try again with actuall off the self cards.nvidia card's don't OC for one thing, the new ones don't. and AMD oc's very well. surpassing 3080 really across the board even with both oc'd.
The best samples they sent for reviews. Now try again with actuall off the self cards.nvidia card's don't OC for one thing, the new ones don't. and AMD oc's very well. surpassing 3080 really across the board even with both oc'd.
Both brands are, most non sponsored games are designed aroudn the consoles, which are running rDNA2.AMD-sponsored games are a small percentage of all the games coming out. So recommending Nvidia is actually very reliable for GPU longevity.
System Name | Neon Master |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 5900x |
Motherboard | x570 Aorus Master F33h |
Cooling | H115i RGB Platinum 280mm/Case Fans NF-A14 x4 |
Memory | G.Skill Neo 32GB @3800 MT/s C16 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 Tuf OC |
Storage | MP600 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 27GL850-b |
Case | Phanteks Evolv X |
Audio Device(s) | DT 770 Pro 250ohm + Scarlett Solo Gen3 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 1000w |
Mouse | Scimitar Pro |
Keyboard | K95 Platinum |
The best samples they sent for reviews. Now try again with actuall off the self cards.
Processor | Core i7-8700K |
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Memory | 32 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Because they no longer have a huge technological advantage? Not saying NVIDIA will die, but they will have to innovate. Something that almost nobody on this planet does better than NVIDIA. In the end we the consumers will benefithow is Nvidia in trouble over $50 price difference?
Yeah, that is a complete lie. The actual data are completely different.Both brands are, most non sponsored games are designed aroudn the consoles, which are running rDNA2.
System Name | The Cum Blaster |
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Processor | R9 3900x @ 4.35ghz CCD0, 4.25ghz CCD1 |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 Wifi |
Cooling | NH-D15S |
Memory | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix @ 3800C16 |
Video Card(s) | Vega 64 & Eiswolf GPX-Pro |
Storage | Lots |
Display(s) | 4k60hz, 1080p144hz, 1080p60hz |
Case | Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W |
...because it's new tech...That's interestingThen why are all the biggest titles of today implementing raytracing? Why is AMD rushing their own raytracing implementation (even though inferior to Nvidia's)? Why do the consoles now support raytracing?
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Processor | Core i7-8700K |
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Memory | 32 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Your "Most" argument is of course accurate, but nearly all major titles are designed for consoles first. Just play them, you'll immediately notice things in most of them that scream "uh didn't any beta tester on PC notice this?"Yeah, most games are actually made for PC.
System Name | Cheapskate Maximus |
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Processor | Xeon W3680 @ 3.99Ghz [133x30] [1.375v] |
Motherboard | HP Z400 Rev 2 |
Cooling | Alpenfohn Brocken v1 |
Memory | 3 x 4GB DDR3-1600 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX570 Nitro+ |
Storage | 240GB WD SSD, 6 x 2TB HDD |
Display(s) | 27" iiyama XB2783HSU AMVA+ |
Case | AeroCool |
Power Supply | HP 600w Bronze (Delta) |
Keyboard | Gots keys |
Software | W10 x64 |
I would disagree with that. What about the most played games of today? World of Warcraft? Minecraft? PUBG? Fortnite? Battlefield? Call of Duty? Soon Cyberpunk 2077 (which is designed for PC and then for consoles as well, not a backport)? Almost all of the most played games are designed for PC first.Your "Most" argument is of course accurate, but nearly all major titles are designed for consoles first. Just play them, you'll immediately notice things in most of them that scream "uh didn't any beta tester on PC notice this?"
Processor | Core i7-8700K |
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Memory | 32 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Nice list, I would have mentioned those, too. Maybe CS:GO, too. COD is definitely console first.I would disagree with that. What about the most played games of today? World of Warcraft? Minecraft? PUBG? Fortnite? Battlefield? Call of Duty? Soon Cyberpunk 2077 (which is designed for PC and then for consoles as well, not a backport)? Almost all of the most played games are designed for PC first.
Processor | Ryzen 7 3700X |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | BeQuiet Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x8 GB Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 CL16 @ 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA 1060 6GB SSC |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB273GP |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 300 |
Keyboard | MK Typist (Kailh Box White) |
I agree with you on some COD, depends which COD though. There are so many that I keep losing track .. I don't think the one with raytracing sold through battlenet first was a console backport. Don't remember which one that was. But it was promoted by Nvidia.Nice list, I would have mentioned those, too. Maybe CS:GO, too. COD is definitely console first.
Processor | Core i7-8700K |
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Memory | 32 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
My data suggests it's in line with other good triple slot design coolers, which seems reasonable? AMD has a large vapochamber over the others in this chartHey @W1zzard have you looked at GN thermal results? Something seems off to me with them reporting 41 dB and "mediocre" thermal performance compared to your 31 dB with "best reference design".
System Name | System V |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 |
Motherboard | Asus Prime X570-P |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Stealth // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs) |
Memory | 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36) |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB |
Storage | SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008 |
Display(s) | LG 22MP55 IPS Display |
Case | NZXT Source 210 |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G430 Headset |
Power Supply | Corsair CX650M |
Mouse | Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 |
Keyboard | HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004) |
Software | Whatever build of Windows 10 is being served in Dev channel at the time. |
Benchmark Scores | Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624 |
Disassembled/reassembled HSF prior/post testing? GN should be competent with this though.Hey @W1zzard have you looked at GN thermal results? Something seems off to me with them reporting 41 dB and "mediocre" thermal performance compared to your 31 dB with "best reference design". Hardware Unboxed has results similar to yours, about 1500 rpm at 75 C max.
Processor | Ryzen 7 3700X |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | BeQuiet Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x8 GB Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 CL16 @ 3600 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA 1060 6GB SSC |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB273GP |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 300 |
Keyboard | MK Typist (Kailh Box White) |
They usually do all their testing before disassembly. Steve has mentioned some mounting issues.Disassembled/reassembled HSF prior/post testing? GN should be competent with this though.
My data suggests it's in line with other good triple slot design coolers, which seems reasonable? AMD has a large vapochamber over the others in this chart
Maybe something wrong with his sample?
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Well, that is your opinion, here is another review that shows that SAM does make a difference in some games;You responded to a post about how "fanboyism is bad" with the biggest AMD fanboy page on the internet - HardwareUnboxed? Oh come on. You can't trust their results at all. Thier results are constantly significantly tilted in favor of AMD compared to the rest of the interner for their entire existence.
System Name | Virtual Reality / Bioinformatics |
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Processor | Undead CPU |
Motherboard | Undead TUF X99 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | GSkill 128GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA RTX 3090 FTW Ultra |
Storage | Samsung 960 Pro 1TB + 860 EVO 2TB + WD Black 5TB |
Display(s) | Acer K272HUL, HTC Vive |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Audio Device(s) | BOSE 2.0 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 850watt |
Mouse | Logitech Master MX |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Cherry MX Blue |
Software | Windows 10 Professional/Linux Mint |
RT is the antithesis of DLSS. You increase image quality only to decrease resolution, and IQ, for a performance boost.
The GamersNexus review shows only minor improvements from SAM, just like here on TPU. And in most cases, it is by far not enough to beat the RTX 3080. There are a few titles where this happens, funny enough the AMD sponsored games, but even Steve states that there's no chance you'd notice that in game. Besides, if Nvidia achieves the same results on both AMD and Intel CPUs, it's going to be detrimental to AMD if they only offer this on their own platform, as suddenly on Intel they become even slower than they were before.Well, that is your opinion, here is another review that shows that SAM does make a difference in some games;
System Name | Paladius Tacet |
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Processor | Ryzen 5600x |
Motherboard | MSI X570 Tomahawk |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 DUO (custom aggressive fan curve) |
Memory | G.Skill 2x16 3600 14-14-14-34 Dual Rank |
Video Card(s) | Navi 6800 + Rage Mode + OC |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XF243Y 23.8" 0.5ms IPS 165hz 1080p |
Case | Corsair 110Q Silent + NZXT Aer-P exhaust fan |
Power Supply | EVGA 700w Gold |
Mouse | Razer Naga X (2021 Edition) |
The GamersNexus review shows only minor improvements from SAM, just like here on TPU. And in most cases, it is by far not enough to beat the RTX 3080. There are a few titles where this happens, funny enough the AMD sponsored games, but even Steve states that there's no chance you'd notice that in game. Besides, if Nvidia achieves the same results on both AMD and Intel CPUs, it's going to be detrimental to AMD if they only offer this on their own platform, as suddenly on Intel they become even slower than they were before.