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Yeah, no the prices on these here in the EU were crazy. over 800eu. Buying one at sub 700 eu I could justify the 2018 RT performance.
Tempted to buy if "properly" priced but that doesn't seem likely. So back to waiting for a 3080ti I guess.
 

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how is Nvidia in trouble over $50 price difference?
Because they no longer have a huge technological advantage? Not saying NVIDIA will die, but they will have to innovate. Something that almost nobody on this planet does better than NVIDIA. In the end we the consumers will benefit
 
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Both brands are, most non sponsored games are designed aroudn the consoles, which are running rDNA2.
Yeah, that is a complete lie. The actual data are completely different.

Steam Catalog size 23000+

Xbox Catalog size is 1001

Xbox One Catalog size is 2645

Xbox One X Catalog size is 428

Yeah, most games are actually made for PC. Stop repeating this long-ago debunked AMD fanboy crap already.
 
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That's interesting :D Then why are all the biggest titles of today implementing raytracing? Why is AMD rushing their own raytracing implementation (even though inferior to Nvidia's)? Why do the consoles now support raytracing? :D
...because it's new tech...
you think tessellation performed well back in 2010 when the first couple of generations supporting it came out? fuck no, performance was dogshit.
same thing with RTRT.
 

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Yeah, most games are actually made for PC.
Your "Most" argument is of course accurate, but nearly all major titles are designed for consoles first. Just play them, you'll immediately notice things in most of them that scream "uh didn't any beta tester on PC notice this?"
 
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Great to see AMD back on form, their CPU division is K.A.A.T.N, and their GPU group isn't much further behind. Also looks like the 10GB VRAM on the 3080 isn't much for an issue *for now* - their perf/w is great and it's pretty cool to see a GPU running at 2.4-2.5Ghz, proper insane on standard cooling, wonder what they'd be like on exotic cooling.

With the 6800XT doing that well against the RTX3080/90 in a lot of games then the 6900XT will be a fun one to bench and OC

Well done AMD, you're finally back in the CPU and GPU game :cool: .
 
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Your "Most" argument is of course accurate, but nearly all major titles are designed for consoles first. Just play them, you'll immediately notice things in most of them that scream "uh didn't any beta tester on PC notice this?"
I would disagree with that. What about the most played games of today? World of Warcraft? Minecraft? PUBG? Fortnite? Battlefield? Call of Duty? Soon Cyberpunk 2077 (which is designed for PC and then for consoles as well, not a backport)? Almost all of the most played games are designed for PC first.
 

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I would disagree with that. What about the most played games of today? World of Warcraft? Minecraft? PUBG? Fortnite? Battlefield? Call of Duty? Soon Cyberpunk 2077 (which is designed for PC and then for consoles as well, not a backport)? Almost all of the most played games are designed for PC first.
Nice list, I would have mentioned those, too. Maybe CS:GO, too. COD is definitely console first.
 
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Hey @W1zzard have you looked at GN thermal results? Something seems off to me with them reporting 41 dB and "mediocre" thermal performance compared to your 31 dB with "best reference design". Hardware Unboxed has results similar to yours, about 1500 rpm at 75 C max.
 
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Nice list, I would have mentioned those, too. Maybe CS:GO, too. COD is definitely console first.
I agree with you on some COD, depends which COD though. There are so many that I keep losing track .. I don't think the one with raytracing sold through battlenet first was a console backport. Don't remember which one that was. But it was promoted by Nvidia.
 

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Hey @W1zzard have you looked at GN thermal results? Something seems off to me with them reporting 41 dB and "mediocre" thermal performance compared to your 31 dB with "best reference design".
My data suggests it's in line with other good triple slot design coolers, which seems reasonable? AMD has a large vapochamber over the others in this chart

Maybe something wrong with his sample?

 
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Well, damn. I never expected AMD to beat Nvidia in efficiency. Get close or even match, yes. But not the almost beatdown I see here. Very impressive.

Now, I just have to wait until FAH average PPDs are available and then I'll see what I should upgrade to next year.
 
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Hey @W1zzard have you looked at GN thermal results? Something seems off to me with them reporting 41 dB and "mediocre" thermal performance compared to your 31 dB with "best reference design". Hardware Unboxed has results similar to yours, about 1500 rpm at 75 C max.
Disassembled/reassembled HSF prior/post testing? GN should be competent with this though.
 
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Disassembled/reassembled HSF prior/post testing? GN should be competent with this though.
They usually do all their testing before disassembly. Steve has mentioned some mounting issues.
 
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My data suggests it's in line with other good triple slot design coolers, which seems reasonable? AMD has a large vapochamber over the others in this chart

Maybe something wrong with his sample?


I think they got a bad sample, as he was also complaining about the overclocking ability. Or maybe they just sent you the golden one? :D
 

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You responded to a post about how "fanboyism is bad" with the biggest AMD fanboy page on the internet - HardwareUnboxed? Oh come on. You can't trust their results at all. Thier results are constantly significantly tilted in favor of AMD compared to the rest of the interner for their entire existence.
Well, that is your opinion, here is another review that shows that SAM does make a difference in some games;
 
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It's a shame that these embargoes and shortages exist. That way reviewers could just buy a gpu and do tests on real one, and not some golden sample. And then return the card to amazon if necessary :D
 
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Amazing improvement of old rasterization rendering.

Lags behind in hybrid ray tracing (DXR)

Good thermal / OK~ish pricing / Healthy OC headroom

No DLSS equivalent, mediocre encoder.


That is the ATi I know of. Decoupling compute design and gaming design has finally paid off. Welcome back to the race ATi
I am sure many folks who don't mind poor RT performance would buy these.


@lynx29 Did you get one today?
 
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RT is the antithesis of DLSS. You increase image quality only to decrease resolution, and IQ, for a performance boost.

Have you used DLSS? I have owned a 2080 Ti since launch and having experienced it first hand, can say that I am very thankful for the option. If you care to see for yourself, here is one of many videos on the subject:
 
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Well, that is your opinion, here is another review that shows that SAM does make a difference in some games;
The GamersNexus review shows only minor improvements from SAM, just like here on TPU. And in most cases, it is by far not enough to beat the RTX 3080. There are a few titles where this happens, funny enough the AMD sponsored games, but even Steve states that there's no chance you'd notice that in game. Besides, if Nvidia achieves the same results on both AMD and Intel CPUs, it's going to be detrimental to AMD if they only offer this on their own platform, as suddenly on Intel they become even slower than they were before.
 
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The GamersNexus review shows only minor improvements from SAM, just like here on TPU. And in most cases, it is by far not enough to beat the RTX 3080. There are a few titles where this happens, funny enough the AMD sponsored games, but even Steve states that there's no chance you'd notice that in game. Besides, if Nvidia achieves the same results on both AMD and Intel CPUs, it's going to be detrimental to AMD if they only offer this on their own platform, as suddenly on Intel they become even slower than they were before.


Let's wait for the highly tuned ram reviews zen 3 + 6800 xt + rage mode + medium OC (which rtx 3080 cant oc really at all) + smart access memory... its going to be glorious :love:
 
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