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Ehm. I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion, but... I think you need a reality check.
Funny you say I need a reality check, when it is you who is about to get one.

My opinion stems from experience - I've been using Radeons since the beginning of the name. They've always been tops for all-around work in my rigs. They work well clocked low, clocked high, with or without software accompanying the drivers, unlike nV. Even AMD's HD-series onboard will accelerate CAD nicely. I don't just game, which is what the loudest of whiners about this card seem to do. AMD's GPUs have consistently proven to me to be superior for all-around work. If I wanted a GPU just for gaming I'd buy a console, and nice, they have Radeons, too.

I've had more than enough bad experiences with nV as a company during my years in Silicon Valley, with their GPUs at times when I've tried using them for my diverse workload, and with their software when it attempts to dictate to me what hardware I should have in my PC via BSOD.

You've made clear your pro-nV leanings in many threads. That's fine. Maybe you'll be original one day.
 
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1440p 144hz yeah. 4k60hz hell nah.
a 2080 is barely 4k 60 capable (and isnt all the time). if this slower by a several %... some IQ sacrifices will have to be made to reach that magic number. It can moonlight as one... but, isnt optimal.
because that's what happens with something overly complicated as GCN on that front.
Hasnt gcn been out for a few years now...gcn2 as well? Instinct cards have also been out for a few months, but those are pro cards with the same base driver (but plenty of other things to make them different). With that in mind, it's odd the drivers didnt come out more polished. While I do believe with driver maturation comes, in some titles, performance increases, it's not going to make up 14% across the board. Some titles may get that bump, others none at all.

Anyway, as I've mentioned earlier, if you can utilize the compute side of this card, it's really a no brainer to snag it as a prosumer. But, AMD placed this as gaming card with a side of compute (even though fp16 is cut down considerably...still faster than NV!)...and most users are not prosumers.

I have to admit, for all your diverse workloads in silicon valley, I'm surprised you or your employer didnt spring for the professional cards with full capabilities in the first place. :)
 
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Funny you say I need a reality check, when it is you who is about to get one.

My opinion stems from experience - I've been using Radeons since the beginning of the name. They've always been tops for all-around work in my rigs. They work well clocked low, clocked high, with or without software accompanying the drivers, unlike nV. Even AMD's HD-series onboard will accelerate CAD nicely. I don't just game, which is what the loudest of whiners about this card seem to do. AMD's GPUs have consistently proven to me to be superior for all-around work. If I wanted a GPU just for gaming I'd buy a console, and nice, they have Radeons, too.

I've had more than enough bad experiences with nV as a company during my years in Silicon Valley, with their GPUs at times when I've tried using them for my diverse workload, and with their software when it attempts to dictate to me what hardware I should have in my PC via BSOD.

You've made clear your pro-nV leanings in many threads. That's fine. Maybe you'll be original one day.
Vayra86 is pro-nv???? Man am I living in some alternative universe? Vayra86 shits on both GPU makers for any BS they pulls as he is NOT A F*KING FANBOY. He is one of the few level headed member here.

AMD fans truly will do anything to twist reality around themselves for their safe space.

a 2080 is barely 4k 60 capable (and isnt all the time). if this slower by a several %... some IQ sacrifices will have to be made to reach that magic number. It can moonlight as one... but, isnt optimal.
Hasnt gcn been out for a few years now...gcn2 as well? Instinct cards have also been out for a few months, but those are pro cards with the same base driver (but plenty of other things to make them different). With that in mind, it's odd the drivers didnt come out more polished. While I do believe with driver maturation comes, in some titles, performance increases, it's not going to make up 14% across the board. Some titles may get that bump, others none at all.

Anyway, as I've mentioned earlier, if you can utilize the compute side of this card, it's really a no brainer to snag it as a prosumer. But, AMD placed this as gaming card with a side of compute (even though fp16 is cut down considerably...still faster than NV!).

I have to admit, for all your diverse workloads in silicon valley, I'm surprised you or your employer didnt spring for the professional cards with full capabilities in the first place. :)

Once again, very few researchers in academia use AMD GPU accelerator. CUDA and Tensor Flow abosolute demolishes OpenCL in scientific computing.

And the only good use of AMD's compute I can think of is actually crypto-mining. Sad.
 
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Just read a lot of reviews from multiple sites. The consensus is fairly clear: this is a statement card. A statement to the market that says AMD is not done making consumer GPU yet. And that is it. Value is not good for the current price ($599 would be the sweet spot).
What would have possibly made you think anything different? I understand we cannot truly understand value until benches. However, we pretty much knew the price. We also knew this was Vega II with near zero architectural differences to the OG Vega. The only actual things changing were clocks and VRAM. We also knew it was going to 7nm and all those efficiency improvements were going to be used by clocks.

I honestly cannot figure out why anybody expected anything different than what we got besides a few % points on performance.

People continue to baffle me.
 
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I Just ordered one.
 
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I Just ordered one.
Do report back how it works. judging by W1zzard review with improved Wattman this can definitely overclock a bit.




Be like Dibgs9, supports the underdog with actual purchase; don't be like those who are all bark no bites.
 
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Frame times and an interesting look at use case content creators on the 16GB side

 
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once games start using dlss, this card will be trash.
I am not sure people pays $700 to play games at reduced image quality :roll:
DLSS or some kind of imagine up-scaling / dynamic resolution would be very useful for lower end cards.
 
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Much better than I thought it's going to be. Also one good thing is that it's not from Nvidia.
 
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This card is not a failure. Is just the price needs to be at least 200$ lower. A 2nd hand GTX 1080 Ti is a natural choice. This card is that good, making the AMD one DOA on the 1st day.
 

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Do you have a part number or a link or any info about the washers you used? Gonna try that trick myself.
anything that fits really, prefer plastic over metal if you have a choice, to reduce chance of shorts if you lose one in your case
 
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Guess I will keep my GTX 1070 for lot longer.

I think people are being way too....aggressive over this.

We knew it wont be that amazing. It isn't a bad card either. It is just loud, and over volted. Clearly it shows that the voltage can be reduced considerably. Noise is something I cant stand. This card would not have fit in my case anyway but I wouldn't mind having it. Its DX12 performance is good.

I think it is safe to say to wait on driver updates. Some of the performance in some titles made little sense (Dragon Quest 11 for example). And if others are experiencing driver related issues, maybe it is best to wait? Recall RX570. That card did not perform very well even compared to a GTX 1050 yet over time, it surpassed it in performance. While it sucks and we shouldn't have to wait for proper drivers, I gather that may have to be the case.

If this card was $400 - $500, I would buy it. Not at current price though.
 
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They can keep screwing around in the lower-midrange with Navi otherwise, and we all know what that means.
Unfortunately, or fortunately for them, that's what will happen. They can mitigate their loses in the mid range a lot better.
 
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Avoiding SE4 this time, eh? Lol. 39 fps vs 50s on V64 didn't look good, did it? Lows have been mysteriously missing, too (hint: Vega excels at this and nvidia is poo).
Come on, don't be a sore loser, don't spread BS to somehow create some sort of saving grace here - it doesn't exist and it doesn't help anyone, least of all yourself... I remember this one from Ryzen too... 'but the minimums' :D Please.
Funny he can precisely recall the numbers of one test from Vega lanuch but can't find one review to support his min fps theory.

There you go:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-VII-Grafikkarte-268194/Tests/Benchmark-Review-1274185/2/

21 games,2080 has a higher min fps number in 16 of them.Meanwhile Radeon VII min fps numbers generally stay very close to 2070,actually losing in 6 out of 21.
SE4 has been running well on nvidia cards for a long time already,they followed with a driver update shortly after the release,but a biased and uninformed person would certainly prefer to use old and irrelevant data. See for yourself,se4 is included in the pcgh review I'm basing all this on,V64 is 1% faster in avg. fps and 8% faster in min. fps compared to gtx 1080 while 1080ti is 1.38x faster in avg. and 1.32x faster in min fps.

Sad to see red team fanbase come and defend the indefensible with made up theories,kinda tells you the whole story about this card cause it can't prove its value on its own mertis,it looks bleak compared to 2080 and a worse value buy than 2070 by a mile too.10% slower than 2080 while 6% faster than 2070,no RT features,no AIB versions,tells you exactly why people are complaining about the price.This should've been $500 and it would give potential 2070 buyers a better alternative.In reality it's been grossly overpriced and it probably will not come down in price too,can't see anyone but amd fans choosing this.
 
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What was the last "good" desktop GCN card? 390x?
This is getting repetitive, AMD releases a thermonuclear reactor slower than Nvidia, and Nvidia just adds another zero to their prices. Loop.
 
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Funny you say I need a reality check, when it is you who is about to get one.

My opinion stems from experience - I've been using Radeons since the beginning of the name. They've always been tops for all-around work in my rigs. They work well clocked low, clocked high, with or without software accompanying the drivers, unlike nV. Even AMD's HD-series onboard will accelerate CAD nicely. I don't just game, which is what the loudest of whiners about this card seem to do. AMD's GPUs have consistently proven to me to be superior for all-around work. If I wanted a GPU just for gaming I'd buy a console, and nice, they have Radeons, too.

I've had more than enough bad experiences with nV as a company during my years in Silicon Valley, with their GPUs at times when I've tried using them for my diverse workload, and with their software when it attempts to dictate to me what hardware I should have in my PC via BSOD.

You've made clear your pro-nV leanings in many threads. That's fine. Maybe you'll be original one day.
If you are reading my posts surely you will also have read that I also see that of course this card fills a niche. But we are looking at a product marketed for gaming. That is my context. You didnt talk about your other workloads earlier, you spoke of kids crying deeply over game benchmarks... And fine wine that we havent really seen much of the past few years.
 
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Man.. this sucks. Price it at $599, and it will be good.

Maybe wait for Fine Wine? Ferment it for what? 5 years? lol.
 
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Nice that 2080 is now called 1080Ti.
Progress, they said.

"16GB HBM Ram" :kookoo: Good choice of rams for price competition
They had to gamble and it didn't quite work (bigger Polaris was also stopped in the process).
But thanks to nVidia bending customers over, price is not that big of an issue.
 
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as a conclusion for me amd took a vega 20 (Instinct MI60), disabled a few CU , wrote a driver for gaming support and throw the final product as VII in the market.

basically they re-purposed a few thousand of stock chips which make me think that MI60 is not quite a good sell ; maybe this is the reason for the limited availability as they're testing the market and if selling goes well than stock can be used up this way...
 
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Same price as 2080 while being a little slower and having way less features is a hard sell. 2080 has RTX, DLSS, GSync + FreeSync, brand-name advantage, and EVGA backing. Yeah no... and this their full specced GPU. From a technical standpoint, Nvidia’s maxed out GPU is the RTX Titan and this thing is barely onpar with the gutted 2080!? Lol. RTG is beyond doom once Nvidia goes to 7nm
 
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Same price as 2080 while being a little slower and having way less features is a hard sell. 2080 has RTX, DLSS, GSync + FreeSync, brand-name advantage, and EVGA backing. Yeah no... and this their full specced GPU. From a technical standpoint, Nvidia’s maxed out GPU is the RTX Titan and this thing is barely onpar with the gutted 2080!? Lol. RTG is beyond doom once Nvidia goes to 7nm
If I want freesync works flawless I won't get NV card.Bad idea.Nvidia needs much more work to ensure that Freesync works without any issue , but I'm sure they never bother it due to their strategy
 
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