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Part of the problem seems to be the non-linearity of the dBA scale. it's at least 2x as loud perceived
Absolutely.

Subjectivity comes into play.. one man's buzzing is another man's flight of the bumblebee! Or one man's loud is another man's not loud to others. I imagine this card to be better than the blower solution, so it is an improvement there... but almost seems to be driven out of necessity (300W) than a bid to really quiet things down (though does that really matter why?). It's hard to say HOW much louder it is exactly, but it is fair to say most reviews are showing it a few db louder. I also found the FE cards, subjectively, to be not so bad on load... there was enough 'headroom' in my observation of this to get louder and not be annoying. It won't require ear plugs, but we do know it will be louder (however each and every one of us hears it).
 
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Holy COW ! 90Mhs

https://cryptomining-blog.com/10628-amd-radeon-vii-gfx906-delivers-90-mhs-ethash-out-of-the-box/

That's a lot.guess it's Frontier edition for gaming but good for Mining.ofc Mining is crashing.
It is looking very good at OpenCL, I'd expect at least another 10-20% improvement with updates and tweaking in the coming weeks. Mining runs on a hi-low market cycle, and it'll take a while yet before it gets going on the up cycle again to pay for itself. Unless GPU mining finally burns out with all the garbage coins leaving Asics to mine bitcoin proper and then everyone will be happy.
 
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This is true. Many times AMD was faster, but gamers waited for Nvidia to lower prices and bought Nvidia anyways. Personally, I don't see why they would ever start a price/performance war like that again. Not unless they can start a war like that and still make lots of money, wich is clearly not the case with Radeon 7. Who knows, if Navi can replace all RX 5xx and Vega cards with a power consumption and production cost below the Nvidia counterparts, they could start a price war, if not, they should just match Nvidia's prices and fight Intel exclusively.
Exactly, even Ryzen 1000 refused to start a total price war with Intel - and it was a vastly superior product stack. However Ryzen 3000 will probably go for a kill shot, and only because they will be able to make CPU's twice as good as Intel's for less money. Until that happens for Radeon, they will not even try - and that won't happen till 2021 at the earliest unfortunately.

However Navi may actually lower prices quite a bit, but only to where they were in 2012 at best - although they were pretty great then, huh? :)
 

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Oh, so they made a super power hungry GTX 1070. Where's that guy who says "wow"?
GTX 1070 ? How did you get that out of this review?

Exactly, even Ryzen 1000 refused to start a total price war with Intel - and it was a vastly superior product stack. However Ryzen 3000 will probably go for a kill shot, and only because they will be able to make CPU's twice as good as Intel's for less money. Until that happens for Radeon, they will not even try - and that won't happen till 2021 at the earliest unfortunately.

However Navi may actually lower prices quite a bit, but only to where they were in 2012 at best - although they were pretty great then, huh? :)
Because the vast majority of people buying cards don't research, but know the nvidia name/advertisting or are directed to it by store employees. Most purchasers are not enthusiasts. They are basically BOSE buyers, who just buy without looking, and thinking it's the best, regardless if it is or not. That's a reality.


I am pretty amazed putting a few washers to increase pressure made such a difference (10C) in temp's on the junction. Not had much time to look at reviews in-depth as at work... but looks like it has potential. Wonder what an AIO will do if it is mostly thermal throttling.
 
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That is really dissapointing. I was *sooo* hoping this would be the one to replace my ageing 295x2 setup. Its not. When CF works properly many years later AMD's finest still doesnt match up to a 295x2. May now go for a 2080 for a similar price. Radeon VII is £800 on overclockers.co.uk! for an Extra £180 you can get a 2080 ti. Great performance bump from Vega, but sad to see a flagship card end up a lagship card..
 
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How about this?
Ah, cmon, don't ruin this - I was just about composing a letter to mr.leather jacket, with screenshot attached, that his gpu pricing is not viable anymore, condisdering one existing RT title
 
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For all you guys talking about undervolting the card to make it compete, AMD likely tested the GPUs that were rolling out of the fab, and had a choice of a high voltage to make a large amount of them work, or a lower voltage and throwing away some of the marginal chips. It looks like they chose the former. Sure, the review samples are probably okay to undervolt, but just like overclocking, some of the chips won't be able to magically shed 80 W and keep the same performance. They don't even have a full product line to reuse marginal GPUs, so this is what we get. 5000 hot volted cards instead of maybe 3000 tuned cards.

I'm really astounded at the thermal pad solution, and that the card is as cool as it is with that on. What was AMD thinking? And what's with all of these temperature sensors jacking the fans up? I'm guessing that during testing, they had some issues with components frying when they went with just GPU temps.
 
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the thing I look for is frame times... this card has some potential. hopefully they have something much better down the line. I havnt looked for a while to see what they have planned. there's definately a few mistakes in here for lisa to learn from. I really want this card to be better... come on AMD!!!!!!!:slap: :toast:
 
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I dont know in the US, but in Europe this card is way overpriced.

The cheapest one are around 749€ and we can find many RTX 2080 models for 650€~680€.

This Radeon VII has to lower the price substantially to be an option, at least in Europe!
 
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I dont know in the US, but in Europe this card is way overpriced.

The cheapest one are around 749€ and we can find many RTX 2080 models for 650€~680€.

This Radeon VII has to lower the price substantially to be an option, at least in Europe!
in PL there's a grand total of 0 of them :laugh:
 
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Like vega 14nm this card was never aimed for gaming, compute workload in disguise is what has always been.
 
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The weird thing is, there are some totally different reports on this. Some say it's loud, others say it is very quiet. I think this will come out in the wash...
hmm, the TPU review here, plus gamers nexus, pauls hardware, hardware unboxed all say it's pretty loud, the others i've watched just didn't even mention the acoustics, i haven't seen a review that said it was very quiet, maybe you could point me towards them?
 
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For all you guys talking about undervolting the card to make it compete, AMD likely tested the GPUs that were rolling out of the fab, and had a choice of a high voltage to make a large amount of them work, or a lower voltage and throwing away some of the marginal chips. It looks like they chose the former. Sure, the review samples are probably okay to undervolt, but just like overclocking, some of the chips won't be able to magically shed 80 W and keep the same performance. They don't even have a full product line to reuse marginal GPUs, so this is what we get. 5000 hot volted cards instead of maybe 3000 tuned cards.

I'm really astounded at the thermal pad solution, and that the card is as cool as it is with that on. What was AMD thinking? And what's with all of these temperature sensors jacking the fans up? I'm guessing that during testing, they had some issues with components frying when they went with just GPU temps.
fact is they were chasing the scenario where they could show off RVII match 2080 in a few cherry picked games,and that cost them that extra power draw.
 
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Wonder what an AIO will do if it is mostly thermal throttling.
Probably not much. A lot of people don't understand what is going on here, 300W over 330 mm^2 is very difficult to cool down, to the point where you simply can't do anything past a certain threshold. The surface area of the chip ends up being the bottleneck. It's also the reason why they made it so that the fans spin up faster, there is no mystery here.

Bizarrely, the only thing AMD has to do now is to simply make a bigger chip running at lower clocks. That is if they'll ever make another high end consumer GPU.
 
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An interesting card. And if you discount outliers lie Civ5, Darksiders 3 and Dragon Quest XI, the performance is quite solid too. Still, those prices from both camps...
 
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Probably not much. A lot of people don't understand what is going on here, 300W over 330 mm^2 is very difficult to cool down, to the point where you simply can't do anything, the surface area of the chip ends up being the bottleneck. It's also the reason why they made it so that the fans spin up faster, there is no mystery here.

Bizarrely, the only thing AMD has to do now is to simply make a bigger chip running at lower clocks. That is if they'll ever make another high end consumer GPU.
I bet if they refreshed V64 on 12nm with 4 stacks of hbm2 that'd come out faster.
 

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Bizarrely, the only thing AMD has to do now is to simply make a bigger chip running at lower clocks. That is if they'll ever make another high end consumer GPU.
It doesn't work on GCN, GCN benefits way more from higher clocks than higher shader count.
 
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It doesn't work on GCN, GCN benfits way more from higher clocks than higher shader count.
but has tremendously hard time clockng high too.
 
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GCN benfits way more from higher clocks than higher shader count.
Just as is the case with pretty much every GPU architecture ever, performance scales almost linearly with shader count and so does other things such as power consumption. With clock speed that is never the case.
 

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Just as is the case with pretty much every GPU architecture ever, performance scales almost linearly with shader count and so does other things such as power consumption. With clocks that is never the case.
Vega 64 with 15% more shaders than vega 56 performs only 3% better than the 56 at the same clocks, it's not linear at all.
That's why AMD just increases clocks instead of shader count on their high-end GPUs.
 
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$1300NZD for this mess I think not it's loud it uses a fuckton of power the HSF is strangled by the stupid shroud design that blocks the bit the requires the most airflow

perf/Watt = looser
perf/$ = looser
noise = looser

it ends up being a cut down compute card that's trying to be a gamer GPU and just fails miserably they would have been better off just die shrinking the Vega64 and 56 instead of this POS
 
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Vega 64 with 15% more shaders than vega 56 performs only 3% better than the 56 at the same clocks, it's not linear at all.
It's more like 10% not 3%. And of course nothing scales perfectly linearly as I said but shader count does more so than anything else.

That's why AMD just increases clocks instead of shader count on their high-end GPUs.
They did that simply because they chose not to bother with any major redesign which was required for a wider GPU and they were also starting to become limited by the node. Hence they kept increasing clocks, but that means power will tend to increase exponentially hence also why this still uses 300W. It's all really simple.
 
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