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AMD Realizes That Bulldozer Has 800 Million LESS Transistors Than It Thought!

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The 800 Million Transistors were abducted by pesky aliens
 

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All I can say is "Wow".
 
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Poor performance one thing, to frack up on specificaitons? Damn, no wonder the axe fell swifty up top..
 

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Still that was shiesty on AMD's part
Bloomfield has 732 million transistors, models upwards of i7-930 beat FX-8120, those upwards of i7-950 beat FX-8150.

Insert Bill O'Reilly "you can't explain that" meme.

The point is transistor count isn't something you can base your purchases on. No CPU maker writes that down in the specs sheet. Not even Intel ARK shows transistor counts of Intel CPUs. Only electronics enthusiasts (those studying ICs, VLSI design, etc.,) would find transistor counts interesting.

"Performance per transistor" could be an interesting statistic though. The sudden drop in transistor count only goes on to improve that statistic.
 
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so its the explanation. bulldozer should have more power than this
right?
 

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So the power consumption turns out to be even worse then seeing as it has 800 million less transistors.
 

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no wonder why so many got fired. that is a pretty big oops
 
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^good observation. fail on many levels now...
 

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I guess someone needs to do their maths HW... oops
 
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OMG these news lately are going nuts!
Doing the math they are right. But they knew all other cpus, except the most powerful one.
It was just selling out all the cpus and showing off as they got a bigger 2B cpu sitting in the bench.

EDIT: I did the math it shows 3.1 B lol

315x315 = 99225, 99225x0.000032 = 3.1752 LOL

maybe they were talking 1.2b for only 1 core xD
 

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Actually, and nobody is saying that, 1.2 billion vs 2billion transistor is an enormous difference!!! Guys we are talking about ~40% less transistors here!! I think this is the key to the performance gap over Intel. Think about it. The first Core I7 processors were having a transistor count of 731 million, while a Core 2 Duo, only 300 million. AMD is missing 800 million out of it`s processor!!!
 
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How hard would this be to correct this problem?
 
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The PR guy who send around the wrong number is to blame, do we really need a newspost for this? you pretend like the guys who made the chip somehow didnt realize what they did.
 
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Doing the math 1.2B means 315mm2
What would it be for 2B?
2Bx315mm2 = 630Bmm2
630Bmm2 / 1.2B = 525mm2
For 2B the die size would be 525mm2 so stop acting like it is fantastic thing.
This kind of architecture means only that we need lower nm tech
 
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double facepalm indeed , this whole bulldozer "Amd ex-employee" thing has to be one of the biggest lols in CPU history.




Also, does anyone think this might have something to do with the rumor that AMD has stopped hand designing their chips, and have started letting computers design the processor for them?

I do. If you hand craft something, you know what is in it. If you let a computer do it, then only the computer knows what is in it, and you either have to guess or hope that the computer is accurate when telling you the number you need to know.
definitely , it's all about the automation tools that AMD used to create, all those good "Athlon64" devs left the company long ago
 
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this is quite a crazy thing for them to screw up
 
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Hey this isnt AMD's fault. You know the PR folks responsible were probably taught the newest math skills using Mathland or Fuzzy Math. Hell our great government uses the same shit daily and look how well that works for them. Nothing has to add up precisely. :banghead:
 

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Hey this isnt AMD's fault. You know the PR folks responsible were probably taught the newest math skills using Mathland or Fuzzy Math. Hell our great government uses the same shit daily and look how well that works for them. Nothing has to add up precisely. :banghead:
it was probably written 1.2, and the 1 didnt copy out the fax machine right.
 
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I smell a sinister plot by Intel to steal 800 million transistors from these CPUs! :nutkick:

All your transistors are belong to us!
 
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does look to me like they got a politician doin pr for them , ah well hes gone now though eh
 
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