1. Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Ryzen 2000 Series Processors Based on Refined 14 nm Process

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, May 19, 2017.

  1. btarunr

    btarunr Editor & Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    34,046 (9.30/day)
    Thanks Received:
    17,393
    Location:
    Hyderabad, India
    At its Analyst Day follow-up conference call, AMD confirmed that the company could build a new generation of Ryzen processors on 14 nm (albeit refined 14 nm) process, before transitioning to "Zen2," which will be built on the 7 nm process. As the first "Zen" based products built on the 14 nm process, the Ryzen "Summit Ridge" processors are based on the current-generation 14 nm FinFET process. AMD hopes to tap into a more refined version of this process before moving on to "Zen 2."

    This could indicate that AMD's next generation of Ryzen processors, likely the Ryzen # 2xxx series, could be minor incremental updates to the current product stack, likely in the form of higher clock speeds or better energy-efficiency facilitated by the refined 14 nm process, but nothing major in the way of micro-architecture. Assuming the current Ryzen product stack, which will be augmented by Ryzen 3 series, Ryzen Pro series, and Ryzen APUs in the second half of 2017; last till mid-2018, one could expect a follow-up or refreshed Ryzen # 2xxx series run up to another year, before AMD makes a "leapfrog" upgrade to the 7 nm process with "Zen2," in all likelihood, by 2019.

    [​IMG]
     
    RejZoR says thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  2. RejZoR

    RejZoR

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,007 (2.52/day)
    Thanks Received:
    5,586
    Location:
    Europe\Slovenia
    Cool. If AMD can pull 4.0 GHz base clock and up to 4.2 GHz Boost from "upcoming" R7 2800X, that would be massive thing by itself. If they can get any higher, even more so. I really hope AMD's future ZEN CPU's are going to evolve nicely, because we can then look at very interesting and competitive market not entirely dominated anymore by Intel only.

    Also, if AMD can manage to refine those 4c/8t CPU's far enough to pull 4.5 GHz from them, they could seriously threaten existence of 7700K...
     
    ViperXTR, Slizzo, Melvis and 1 other person say thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  3. Vayra86

    Vayra86

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2014
    Messages:
    3,077 (2.73/day)
    Thanks Received:
    2,541
    Location:
    Duiven, Netherlands
    Please, give me that glorious 4.4-4.5 Ghz and I'll be ALL OVER THAT
     
  4. ERazer

    ERazer

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    1,883 (0.64/day)
    Thanks Received:
    631
    Location:
    Republic of Texas
    i can really see myself switching next upgrade, GJ AMD
     
  5. Captain_Tom

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Messages:
    742 (0.76/day)
    Thanks Received:
    201
    I am expecting the 2800 and 2600 to be clocked at 4.2 GHz boost, but with the addition of a 10-15% IPC increase.

    That coupled with the ubiquity of 4000 MHz DRAM in 2018 will make them completely pull ahead of Intel. That is unless CoffeeLake turns out to be a decent upgrade (I don't think it will).
     
  6. Darmok N Jalad

    Darmok N Jalad

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    34 (0.16/day)
    Thanks Received:
    19
    I figured a revision might do the opposite. With it being a considerably different design from last generation, there are probably minor design improvements that could be made but weren't implemented in order to hit a production deadline. This would be a tock, leaving a successful node transition as the key focus for Zen 2.
     
    kruk says thanks.
  7. RejZoR

    RejZoR

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,007 (2.52/day)
    Thanks Received:
    5,586
    Location:
    Europe\Slovenia
    15% IPC is a bit of a stretch imo. Especially for the first iteration of Zen, like they said, just refined process, no architectural changes.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  8. Captain_Tom

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2015
    Messages:
    742 (0.76/day)
    Thanks Received:
    201
    S P E C U L A T E


    At this point we are all guessing, but no - Zen 2 will be a full upgrade. If you look at AMD's roadmap:

    1. Late 2017 = 14nm+ Zen refresh. This indeed will just be a 5-10% clockspeed bump launched to keep AMD's advantage over Coffee Lake.

    2) 2018 = 7nm Zen 2. Expect another 5% clockspeed bump, and some decent IPC increases (My guess is 10 - 20% higher IPC).


    Remember that Piledriver launched just a year after Bulldozer and brought 15% higher IPC on the same process. There's no reasons Zen 2 couldn't do the same on 7nm; especially considering AMD Engineers have already said there are some obvious bottlenecks in the fabric, memory controller, and more that they will address.
     
  9. R-T-B

    R-T-B

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    7,063 (1.90/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,355
    AMD has already said they expect to use the Zen architecture and just shrink it for a while, to get mileage out of it.

    What about that statement screams "MASSIVE IPC INCREASE!!!" to you?

    I'd be surprised if we get anything beyond a fairly nice clock bump, frankly.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  10. cdawall

    cdawall where the hell are my stars

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2006
    Messages:
    26,319 (6.41/day)
    Thanks Received:
    7,325
    Location:
    Houston
    I would be surprised if it was even a nice clock bump. We are talking about GloFo.
     
    Assimilator, Frick, Aquinus and 2 others say thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  11. R-T-B

    R-T-B

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    7,063 (1.90/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,355
    That "nice" bit was sort of assuming they struck a deal with another fab, lol.
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  12. Gasaraki

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2016
    Messages:
    257 (0.80/day)
    Thanks Received:
    71
    How?! "addition of a 10-15% IPC increase"? Not possible without some changes to the architecture. They are just talking about a die refinement here.
     
    cdawall says thanks.
  13. cdawall

    cdawall where the hell are my stars

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2006
    Messages:
    26,319 (6.41/day)
    Thanks Received:
    7,325
    Location:
    Houston
    That doesn't even seem like it is on the table. Maybe I am wrong, maybe GloFo will have something nice for 7nm, I mean it wasn't long ago TSMC sucked.
     
    theoneandonlymrk and R-T-B say thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  14. Bansaku

    Bansaku

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    212 (0.13/day)
    Thanks Received:
    89
    Go go AMD!!! THIS is exactly what the industry needs; Competition through innovation and advancement!

    :toast:
     
  15. theoneandonlymrk

    theoneandonlymrk

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Messages:
    4,901 (1.76/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,507
    Location:
    Manchester uk
    Well they have ,allegedly tsmc but Gf has ties with samsung too ,its just not known for what or for definite tbh but i think it may be gamer vega given some of the clock rumours ,which leaves zen as a binning and yield improvement upgrade, they (zen)are said to be binning very well with 80% full core operative , thats epic imho and should allow for some even higher bins.
    Likely that is what it was always going to be, i think they already had a good plan layed out before zen launched, though their execution could have been better.
     
  16. evernessince

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2016
    Messages:
    297 (0.64/day)
    Thanks Received:
    160
    10-15% might be a bit much, 4.2 GHz should definitely be possible though. If I were AMD I would be shooting for 4.5GHz boost, 4.0 base. They can likely achieve this on the same power usage as well. Most of the IPC gains are going to come from improvements in branch prediction and their predictive learning built into the hardware.
     
  17. Kemar Stewart

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5 (0.01/day)
    Thanks Received:
    0

    Yes with 10% IPC improvements too
     
  18. eidairaman1

    eidairaman1 The Exiled Airman

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    18,499 (4.92/day)
    Thanks Received:
    4,500
    how about ryzen+
     
    10 Year Member at TPU
  19. R-T-B

    R-T-B

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    7,063 (1.90/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,355
    I see the hype train is not easily deterred.
     
    Assimilator, infrared and the54thvoid say thanks.
    10 Year Member at TPU
  20. MrGenius

    MrGenius

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,368 (1.38/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,101
    Location:
    On The Highway To Hell \m/
    Or at least detoured.;)
     
    R-T-B says thanks.
  21. Camm

    Camm

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    235 (0.13/day)
    Thanks Received:
    114
    i would be highly surprised if we see ANY IPC gains whatsoever.

    What I WOULD expect to see is maybe another 100mhz-200mhz top frequency, and better power usage, especially whilst within envelope (i.e. things you expect to see with a refined process).

    Anything more than that would take either a fab drop, architectural improvements, or both IMO.
     
    kruk, infrared, HD64G and 1 other person say thanks.
  22. owen10578

    owen10578

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2016
    Messages:
    170 (0.37/day)
    Thanks Received:
    44
    Location:
    Indonesia
    Nor derailed
     
  23. DeathtoGnomes

    DeathtoGnomes

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2014
    Messages:
    1,636 (1.38/day)
    Thanks Received:
    822
    Location:
    SE Michigan
    small steps lead to bigger adventures, and AMD is all about hurry up and wait.
     
    cdawall says thanks.
  24. ratirt

    Joined:
    May 31, 2016
    Messages:
    598 (1.19/day)
    Thanks Received:
    96
    Oh my. That would be the way to go for me :) I'm thinking of Ryzen to be my next rig. If they manage to pull this refining off i would really go for it :D 4.5 Ghz that would be my goal :D
     
  25. Caring1

    Caring1

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2014
    Messages:
    5,294 (4.85/day)
    Thanks Received:
    3,271
    Location:
    Sunshine Coast
    I think Camm has hit it on the head.
    Maybe higher boosts, better overclocking and better power consumption.
     
    R-T-B says thanks.
    Crunching for Team TPU

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guest)