AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Overclocked to 5.90 GHz

[Vayra86]

Despite having higher avg and min (99th percentile or whatever) 7700k has 100ms+ FPS hikes, unlike Ryzen in GTA5.
It would be major news, had it been vice versa:

Actually, he's saying that he can barely notice the difference above everything else... so it really isn't news, there is some hitching that he cannot really put his finger on and he is throwing out a few theories to discuss. He also clearly points out it could be any number of other factors besides Ryzen - which is 100% on the money as we ALSO know that Nvidia + Ryzen has some sort of perf penalty compared to for example the Fury he put in on a test bench (which he says pushed comparable FPS to a 1080ti (!)). Most likely, this is a frame pacing related issue originating from the GPU, not so much the CPU, and the combination of other components with that GPU, of which Ryzen vs the 7700K are the two he suspects.

'There is really no difference' is what dominates this video. It's a nice insight, but not something to draw any conclusions from...

 

[Steevo]

Frequency scales with voltage at a specified design frequency, so if AMD were trying to hit 3.6Ghz-4Ghz with a specified voltage it has to be designed that way with the limitations of standard air coolers in hot climates in mind. They aimed for that target and hit it square on.

To run faster requires an exponential amount of voltage, and thus cooling, so to run 4.3Ghz may require twice that the change from 3.6 to 4.0, and also double the heat output. Its why to get my 1100T to run 4.2Ghz it requires almost 1.6vcore and it gets hot even under water. Same for every other CPU, GPU and all else.


Designed with a specific process node, and because physics work no matter what or how you feel about it.

 

[medi01]

so it really isn't news

Give me a break.

Had it been Ryzen giving 250ms hikes in GTA V, it would have been major news.

[QUOTE="Vayra86, post: 3638515, member: 152404"]Actually, he's saying that he can barely notice the difference above everything else... [/QUOTE]

He says that.
Except that they had blind tests.
(and actually every 7700k owners needs to decide for himself, how bad he feels about major AAA game freezing for up to 250ms once every several minutes. I don't think I'd like it)

They couldn't see any difference whatsoever in games with high fps (like doom).
But they DID notice differences in games like GTA V. And most of the testers pointed to Intel system, quite clearly.

 

[Gasaraki]

Yeah its all a big conspiracy, that vCore requirement magically skyrockets because AMD deliberately handicapped their halo product... And of course it is very easy to just pull a new, better architecture out of the hat in a year. That's why it took AMD five years to develop Zen.

As with most conspiracy fantasies, the sense of realism eludes me entirely.

LOL. Yeah people are nuts. They think that heat is the only thing that prevents a processor from being clocked higher...

 

[Vayra86]

Give me a break.

They couldn't see any difference whatsoever in games with high fps (like doom).
But they DID notice differences in games like GTA V. And most of the testers pointed to Intel system, quite clearly.

And meanwhile, we've been playing games on Intel core for the better part of ten years and nobody noticed.

*yawn*

 

[medi01]

And meanwhile, we've been playing games on Intel core for the better part of ten years and nobody noticed.

You've been playing GTA 5 (released in Sept 2013, last update March this year) on 7700k (released in Q1 2017) + 1080Ti (released in Q1 2017) for better part of 10 years, makes sense.

 

[Vayra86]

You've been playing GTA 5 (released in Sept 2013, last update March this year) on 7700k (released in Q1 2017) + 1080Ti (released in Q1 2017) for better part of 10 years, makes sense.

And we come full circle. How is it news that on a new GPU with a new CPU, a SINGLE game title has a few hitches?

Games 'like GTA V' has already been reduced to just GTA V. You're getting there! Keep up the good work, soon you'll be a realist like me.

Back to the original statement: this is precisely why this isn't news - nobody really cares because this is an exception to the rule of top end gaming performance of the 7700K. You need to realize that people make video to get viewers, and not primarily to tell you what's what. Judge this for what it is: an exception to the rule. By no means news worthy albeit an interesting find - what I'd be most interested in here is the cause of the issue, and not so much the double blind 'who notices it' - we have long established that any kind of stutter is detrimental to gaming so this is no different. The only reason these videos exist is because on the Ryzen release we had a 'Ryzen gaming perf shitstorm' and anyone with two brain cells jumps on that to produce content on, because this is what people click on right now and clicks are ad revenue.

If we are really having an argument over a 250ms hitch in a single game title... well. Perhaps thát is news What would be news, is when this issue pops up on every 7700K with an OC or something. You really gotta stop being the disgruntled AMD supporter, because that is why you keep missing the mark. Remove the blinders.

 

[medi01]

How is it news that on a new GPU with a new CPU, a SINGLE game title has a few hitches?

It isn't a news only because it's 7700k and note Ryzen that has those hitches.