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I literally looked up street prices on newegg for this review yesterday. That’s where 180 and 200 comes from. But of course prices vary regionally
Today, and I think it was the same yesterday (I did check the price there, as it's a good reference for the US market afaik), the difference on newegg was $12 ($198 vs $186), but in general I think that one can see a trend where the 5600X gets discounted from time to time, while the 5600, probably because it's a new part, sells pretty much at the same price all the time. So I guess it's worth checking the marketplaces right now, if one is in no particular hurry.
 
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I upgraded from a 3600 and RX580 to the 5600 and 6500XT.
It was a highly satisfactory and extremely smooth upgrade.

Minimums on all games increased considerably. Nothing imperical, but games like MechWarrior 5 and RDR got smoother with MW5 allowing me to zoom without dropping into the teens for FPS.
Even old demanding titles like STALKER Call of Pripyat and the full mods derived from it run considerably smoother.
Overall, 5-15% faster in what I did bench: 3dm fire strike, Stalker CoP, Metro: Exodus, and RDR2.
 

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Truth.


I knew there was some semi-obscure advantage Cezanne had over Vermeer, but could not remember/find it for the life of me. :toast:
If you run the actual APU/IGP, you can throw some DDR4 4000 (and higher) in there and get some good performance out of it

Thanks for posting that, it reminded me of the 3300x review, the 1700 cpu was on that, not the same test beds, but kind of gives a comparison to the 1700. However I game at 1440p and 2160p so actual differences at that resolution are negligible. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3-3300x/17.html


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If you know your target FPS, you can get a CPU to match that. There truly is a threshold above which it makes no sense to get a faster CPU, as a gamer.

The biggest win for this CPU (and the cezanne based 5500) is that they're cheap and in stock everywhere - no signs of shortages or price hiking.



For $10 less you can get a B450 board, but for the performance you get out of this hardware, it's absurd
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This might be an Au issue, but they dont sell 8GB DDR5 sticks - so and avoiding the nastiest chipset available (H610) for an entire $10 savings, leaves you with this:
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50% greater cost for the same performance. Ouch.
(And it's still $600 vs $750 if you do 32GB for AMD)

And then of course comes the questions about Can B660 even deliver the same performance for the intel CPU, or will it throttle?
At least both come with a stock cooler.
 
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If you run the actual APU/IGP, you can throw some DDR4 4000 (and higher) in there and get some good performance out of it



If you know your target FPS, you can get a CPU to match that. There truly is a threshold above which it makes no sense to get a faster CPU, as a gamer.

The biggest win for this CPU (and the cezanne based 5500) is that they're cheap and in stock everywhere - no signs of shortages or price hiking.



For $10 less you can get a B450 board, but for the performance you get out of this hardware, it's absurd
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This might be an Au issue, but they dont sell 8GB DDR5 sticks - so and avoiding the nastiest chipset available (H610) for an entire $10 savings, leaves you with this:
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50% greater cost for the same performance. Ouch.
(And it's still $600 vs $750 if you do 32GB for AMD)

And then of course comes the questions about Can B660 even deliver the same performance for the intel CPU, or will it throttle?
At least both come with a stock cooler.
Nice comparison, to the liking of AMD fans.

For Intel: i5-12500 + mobo = 1530.99 RON = 325.40 USD :toast:
 

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This might be an Au issue, but they dont sell 8GB DDR5 sticks - so and avoiding the nastiest chipset available (H610) for an entire $10 savings, leaves you with this:
But why would you want to pick DDR5 in the first place? It doesn't make much sense for a budget build, just pick a DDR4 compatible motherboard and your Alder Lake build will get much more competitive. And I doubt that any B660 would throttle a 12400F, Techspot did a VRM comparison and even the 12600K can be maxed in all the motherboards that they've tried; the problem is the kind of upgrade path that you're left with if you pick a cheaper B660 mobo with weaker VRMs, especially considering the arrival of Raptor Lake, but on the other hand I wonder how many budget builders will actually update, considering how Intel limits its motherboards at two CPU generations at best.
 
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Might be the better option compared to the 12400f given the much cheaper mobo pricing, but it really depends on country and bias since price/performance and performance is basically equal.
 
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If you run the actual APU/IGP, you can throw some DDR4 4000 (and higher) in there and get some good performance out of it



If you know your target FPS, you can get a CPU to match that. There truly is a threshold above which it makes no sense to get a faster CPU, as a gamer.

The biggest win for this CPU (and the cezanne based 5500) is that they're cheap and in stock everywhere - no signs of shortages or price hiking.



For $10 less you can get a B450 board, but for the performance you get out of this hardware, it's absurd
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This might be an Au issue, but they dont sell 8GB DDR5 sticks - so and avoiding the nastiest chipset available (H610) for an entire $10 savings, leaves you with this:
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50% greater cost for the same performance. Ouch.
(And it's still $600 vs $750 if you do 32GB for AMD)

And then of course comes the questions about Can B660 even deliver the same performance for the intel CPU, or will it throttle?
At least both come with a stock cooler.
Why do you have DDR5 ram on a DDR4 motherboard ? (B660M Gaming D4 doesn't support DDR5, the D4 literally stands for DDR4)

Actually put the correct ram in the shopping card and it's now $499 vs $523

The $523 intel is actually the better deal. For only $24 more dollars you get future support for 13th gen chips, onboard wifi, USB C front panel header, and NVME heatsink.
And then of course comes the questions about Can B660 even deliver the same performance for the intel CPU, or will it throttle?
Almost all of the cases of throttling are the lowend B660s on 12700 or higher with power limits off. Obviously not an issue with the 12400

But why would you want to pick DDR5 in the first place? It doesn't make much sense for a budget build, just pick a DDR4 compatible motherboard and your Alder Lake build will get much more competitive. And I doubt that any B660 would throttle a 12400F, Techspot did a VRM comparison and even the 12600K can be maxed in all the motherboards that they've tried
He already picked a DDR4 motherboard but still choose to throw non-compatable DDR5 in the cart to inflate the price which is a weak move (I would expect better from a techpowerup staff member to be honest)
 
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If you're going for a budget build and you find it for a good price it's definitely a good choice, especially since it includes a cooler unlike the 5600x.
That way you can blow the rest of your budget on a midrange GPU :laugh:

For only $24 more dollars you get future support for 13th gen chips
didn't you get the news? Intel is already changing sockets again, so much for future proof.
 
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12400, 12500 and 12600 have PL2 limited to 117W. No problem for any motherboard.
If you choose the K, or i7 / i9 variant, you have to invest in a motherboard and it is also valid for AMD.

didn't you get the news? Intel is already changing sockets again, so much for future proof.
In 2022, socket 1700 accepts another generation (13th), but AM4 is end of life, it doesn't receive anything anymore.
 
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didn't you get the news? Intel is already changing sockets again, so much for future proof.
B550 doesn't support any more chips while the B660 supports one more generation. Not seeing the confusion ? (one option is obviously more future proof then the other which is why it was listed as a positive).
 
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The motherboard and ram cost more double.
Poor farm peasant will not buy this.
 
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We're in a good era for cheap CPU's for gaming.
unfortunately we're not in a good era for gaming as cpu is not enough...a few years back a good gaming cpu cost was similar to a good gpu.. now the ratio is 5 to 1 at least...
 
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@W1zzard Need a 1700 in that review to compare to. ;) With the 1207 bios should be able to drop it right into your test platform:)

Edit - waiting for that 5500 review as its $170 CAD. It’ll probably be the budget perf/$ goto chip.
Not so sure. The 5600 outperforms the 5600G by over 12% (since it`s 2.5% slower than 5600X). The 5500 is a slightly slower 5600G and it doesn`t have PCIe 4.0 so for budget builds with 3050 or 6600 it`s a poor choice.


5600 is a good chip, but where I live it costs only 20usd below 5600X and performs 2-3% worse. If the perice difference had been greater it would be more of a bang for bucks champ.
 
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Hmm, can I finally be bothered to upgrade my gen 1 1600... Seems pointless still given screen is only 60hz and easily hit that in everything anyway. Guess I probably will when AM4 chips start going dirt cheap when next gen is established.
 
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Ah yes, the upgrade that will finally bring early Am4 adopters to the level (or slightly above) that was already achievable in 2017 with 8700k (admittedly delidded, properly OCed and with good ram, but still...) :rolleyes:

He already picked a DDR4 motherboard but still choose to throw non-compatable DDR5 in the cart to inflate the price which is a weak move (I would expect better from a techpowerup staff member to be honest)
Couldn't agree more - that's a total fanboy move that should not happen!
 
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Ah yes, the upgrade that will finally bring early Am4 adopters to the level (or slightly above) that was already achievable in 2017 with 8700k (admittedly delidded, properly OCed and with good ram, but still...) :rolleyes:

True, the 8700k brings the heat and we needed to wait a couple of years to see another CPU doing the same thing without OC.
Bringing the bad news and believing the CPU tests made by this website (not gaming), to find 5600x levels of performance in 2017, you will need to pay for a Skylake X CPU (or what ever name they gave to that thing...).

Like always, it depends...


And yes, some people will argue about money, time, cooling requirements, power consumption, etc?... but i leave that to them...

If you run the actual APU/IGP, you can throw some DDR4 4000 (and higher) in there and get some good performance out of it



If you know your target FPS, you can get a CPU to match that. There truly is a threshold above which it makes no sense to get a faster CPU, as a gamer.

The biggest win for this CPU (and the cezanne based 5500) is that they're cheap and in stock everywhere - no signs of shortages or price hiking.



For $10 less you can get a B450 board, but for the performance you get out of this hardware, it's absurd
View attachment 251562



This might be an Au issue, but they dont sell 8GB DDR5 sticks - so and avoiding the nastiest chipset available (H610) for an entire $10 savings, leaves you with this:
View attachment 251563


50% greater cost for the same performance. Ouch.
(And it's still $600 vs $750 if you do 32GB for AMD)

And then of course comes the questions about Can B660 even deliver the same performance for the intel CPU, or will it throttle?
At least both come with a stock cooler.

TF?
Why DDR5 when you have a DDR4 compatible mobo?
Not like it would even be worth it on a high-end build....so why even use it on a budget ?
Why would this mobo even throttle a i5-12400f ?


This all comment is sketchy m8...
 
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Nice comparison, to the liking of AMD fans.

For Intel: i5-12500 + mobo = 1530.99 RON = 325.40 USD :toast:
australian prices.

You can go to pccasegear.com.au and confirm what i posted is 100% correct and something i keep bringing up - these prices vary wildly by region, and it's why people can never agree on cost-effectiveness of these parts.

Yeah sure the intel CPU's are $10 cheaper, yay... but if the mobos are $100 more (or $150 more without any risk of VRM throttling) and usually require way better cooling?

You'll notice i was completely fair and picked a competing intel CPU that not only doesnt require that extra cost, but comes with a stock cooler. If you're gunna pull the fanboy card, try a little harder.

True, the 8700k brings the heat and we needed to wait a couple of years to see another CPU doing the same thing without OC.
Bringing the bad news and believing the CPU tests made by this website (not gaming), to find 5600x levels of performance in 2017, you will need to pay for a Skylake X CPU (or what ever name they gave to that thing...).

Like always, it depends...


And yes, some people will argue about money, time, cooling requirements, power consumption, etc?... but i leave that to them...



TF?
Why DDR5 when you have a DDR4 compatible mobo?
Not like it would even be worth it on a high-end build....so why even use it on a budget ?
Why would this mobo even throttle a i5-12400f ?


This all comment is sketchy m8...
Have you not seen all the reports and complaints of boards throttling intel CPU's in the last ~3 years?
If they follow intels guidelines, they dont match review performances. If they unlock the TDP, they thermal throttle.
This isn't a one off, random complaint - it's a serious issue where if you dont buy high end boards and cooling you simply dont get the 'review experience'

And... because DDR4 boards do in fact slow down these CPU's? If you're throwing away that performance that just makes the AMD system look better...
 
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Yeah sure the intel CPU's are $10 cheaper, yay... but if the mobos are $100 more (or $150 more without any risk of VRM throttling) and usually require way better cooling?
The motherboard you listed was $54 more dollars but the CPU was $30 cheaper so only a difference of 24 dollars between your 2 builds.

Not only is that not "$100-150 more" but the intel motherboard you listed actually has more features (future support for 13th gen, nvme heatsink, onboard wifi, and front usb C header). For only 24 extra bucks that's actually a good trade-off
Have you not seen all the reports and complaints of boards throttling intel CPU's in the last ~3 years?
If they follow intels guidelines, they dont match review performances. If they unlock the TDP, they thermal throttle.
Like we've already said not an issue with the CPU YOU provided. If you had thrown a 12700 in there and said you want power limits off ? Obviously that would of been an issue but you didn't mention it because that's an unrealistic goal for a budget build.

And... because DDR4 boards do in fact slow down these CPU's? If you're throwing away that performance that just makes the AMD system look better...
Then why did you list a DDR4 lga1700 motherboard ?

I don't understand your logic. You list DDR5 to purposely inflate the price even though you listed a DDR4 board and now your complaining about "slowing down the cpus with DDR4" ? (then why did you list a DDR4 motherboard if it's slowing it down ?).

Not only that "throwing away performance" is a weird statement to make when DDR5 having such a little improvement over DDR4 in gaming was arguably the biggest criticisms of Alderlake........

Weird to see a staff member talking literal circles, very strange (are we being trolled ?)
 
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The motherboard you listed was $54 more dollars but the CPU was $30 cheaper so only a difference of 24 dollars between your 2 builds.

Not only is that not "$100-150 more" but the intel motherboard you listed actually has more features (future support for 13th gen, nvme heatsink, onboard wifi, and front usb C header). For only 24 extra bucks that's actually a good trade-off

Like we've already said not an issue with the CPU YOU provided. If you had thrown a 12700 in there and said you want power limits off ? Obviously that would of been an issue but you didn't mention it because that's an unrealistic goal for a budget build.


Then why did you list a DDR4 lga1700 motherboard ?

I don't understand your logic. You list DDR5 to purposely inflate the price even though you listed a DDR4 board and now your complaining about "slowing down the cpus with DDR4" ? (then why did you list a DDR4 motherboard if it's slowing it down ?).

Not only that "throwing away performance" is a weird statement to make when DDR5 having such a little improvement over DDR4 in gaming was arguably the biggest criticisms of Alderlake........

Weird to see a staff member talking literal circles, very strange (are we being trolled ?)
Did i put a DDR4 board with DDR5 ram?

In that case, i screwed up. That's a genuine mistake - i simply went for the cheapest board without the garbage entry level chipset.
 
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And... because DDR4 boards do in fact slow down these CPU's? If you're throwing away that performance that just makes the AMD system look better...

Yes, it will in fact be slower with ddr4...
...by 2% in gaming at 1080p with a RTX 3080...
It's called "margin of error" and like said on past conversations, with slower GPUs and/or higher resolutions, margins will close in, making it pretty must a joke of a difference... (like it wasn't already by default...)

And judging by the results, the 2x+more expensive 4800MHz cl40 kit isn't even better than a 3200MHz CL14-3600MHz cl16 kit... (europe price)
At this point, most people can throw there money at the nearest river and it will have the same usefulness really...

+ the 20$~ more expensive INTEL build can be justified by people that need features like the onboard wifi, front usb C, etc... in the end, they still keep a comparable CPU to the 5600/5600x...


There is enough arguments for the 5600/5600x, it is pretty must pointless to artificially inflate it with "AMD fanboys" like arguments...
 
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From what I've seen DDR4 3600MHz CL16 is even faster than DDR5 in some games, I don't see any reason to even consider DDR5 on current platforms.
The 12400F and 5600 are both 190€ on amazon right now and AMD motherboards are slightly cheaper at the same feature level, I would say it's easy to go with either depending on your preference.
DDR4 is also at the cheapest it's ever been and the same for SSDs.
The only issue right now is having to pay 300+ for a mid-low tier GPU.

There is also the upgrade aspect, if you're on a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen you could almost double your CPU gaming performance for 190€ without changing anything else in your system.
 
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australian prices.

You can go to pccasegear.com.au and confirm what i posted is 100% correct and something i keep bringing up - these prices vary wildly by region, and it's why people can never agree on cost-effectiveness of these parts.

Yeah sure the intel CPU's are $10 cheaper, yay... but if the mobos are $100 more (or $150 more without any risk of VRM throttling) and usually require way better cooling?

You'll notice i was completely fair and picked a competing intel CPU that not only doesnt require that extra cost, but comes with a stock cooler. If you're gunna pull the fanboy card, try a little harder.
I can't beat you when drawing cards. :shadedshu: For example, why is the Gigabyte DS3H series ok only at AMD ????

Romanian prices.
Cooler included but not used. I have an LGA1700 compatible cooler but the sole used is a 10 year old one. You need a minimum of mechanical knowledge to modify an old cooler to be compatible with the 1700.
 

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Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard MSI B450 Tomahawk
Cooling Alpenföhn Brocken 3 140mm
Memory Patriot Viper 4 - DDR4 3400 MHz 2x8 GB
Video Card(s) Radeon RX460 2 GB
Storage Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 500, Samsung 860 500 GB, 2x Western Digital RED 4 TB
Display(s) Dell UltraSharp U2312HM
Case be quiet! Pure Base 500 + Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12 + 2x ARCTIC P14
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster ZxR,
Power Supply Seasonic Focus GX-650
Mouse Logitech G305
Keyboard Lenovo USB
In my country:
GIGABYTE B450M DS3H - 60€
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H - 90€
GIGABYTE B660M DS3H - 115€

If budget really is an issue than B450M isn't that bad, though nowdays i would rather buy PCI-E 4.0 ready motherboards. With the B660M i'd only use the 12400 or 12500 maximum anyway, the B550M probably can feed the 5700X, though that is not as budget friendly as the 5600 which i'd go with if i'd buy into B550 setup.

For new system i'd probably go with Intel, because it is unlikely that i'd upgrade 12400-500 with much more expensive processor later on.

From budget buyers perspective 8 core cpus are just way more expensive than what they can provide compared to cheaper 6 core ones. Now just waiting for my 5600 to arrive :laugh:
 
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I agree, going for a B450 in a new system right now makes very little sense, except maybe in ultra-budget builds, but then no AMD cpu can match the budget value of 12100f. The lowest you want to go for is 3600 and that easily equalizes the platform cost and b660 is simply better and more modern. It will get even better in a month or so, when MSI's new b660 Mortar motherboard arrives that will support BCLK overclocking. Results with both i3s and i5s are simply staggering, pretty much matching the i7 in many cases:
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In my country:
GIGABYTE B450M DS3H - 60€
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H - 90€
GIGABYTE B660M DS3H - 115€

If budget really is an issue than B450M isn't that bad, though nowdays i would rather buy PCI-E 4.0 ready motherboards. With the B660M i'd only use the 12400 or 12500 maximum anyway, the B550M probably can feed the 5700X, though that is not as budget friendly as the 5600 which i'd go with if i'd buy into B550 setup.

For new system i'd probably go with Intel, because it is unlikely that i'd upgrade 12400-500 with much more expensive processor later on.

From budget buyers perspective 8 core cpus are just way more expensive than what they can provide compared to cheaper 6 core ones. Now just waiting for my 5600 to arrive :laugh:
AMD B550:
No nvme thermal guard included.
Only one nvme support pcie 4.0
5+3 phases (intel: 6+2+1)
Lan: 1 Gbps versus 2.5 Gbps

And big, very big difference:
B550:
1x DVI out, max 1080p@60fps
1x HDMI, max 4k@60 fps

B650:
2 x DP 1.2
1 x HDMI 2.1
1 x D-Sub
 
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