AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog

[genralramius]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

Do not forget that they increased the L3 cache to 32 MB. Also they did a redesign on the CCX.

150$? Um reports are that 5800x and up doesn't even come with a cooler so that 150$ is more closer to 250$

If your are upgradeing from Ryzen 3000 series you already have a cooler.
If you are upgrading from Intel CPU circa 2017 or above and you are not using the stock Intel cooler, than that cooler should have a AM4 option either in the box, or for cheap.

 

[Zach_01]

Do not forget that they increased the L3 cache to 32 MB. Also they did a redesign on the CCX.

3600/3600X already has L3 cache of 32MB. The difference now is that all cache is unified available to all cores.

If your are upgradeing from Ryzen 3000 series you already have a cooler.
If you are upgrading from Intel CPU circa 2017 or above and you are not using the stock Intel cooler, than that cooler should have a AM4 option either in the box, or for cheap.

I agree with the upgrade option but you have to consider the new builds also. Although a large number of the new does replace the stock cooler from day one.

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Also we must consider that 5600X can replace 3700X even with 2 cores short. 25% less cores but with uplift performance per core. So mostly would be about the same with all core workloads with the 3700X but with a lot higher single thread and gaming performance from better IPC and higher clock. And it’s 30$ less msrp from 3700X.
It’s half of an upgrade to 3700X but it is better.

 

[Argentrx]

you ever get the feeling its like rocky 1,2,3,4,5,6 and so on and so forth...... higher prices now until intel take the performance crown again....then theyll hit back as best they can ... it really is the rocky balboa of pc tech .... its like the old days of thoroughbred and palomino all over again....

 

[medi01]

Unfortunately, I think Big Navi might fall short of Nvidia's best.

From what we know so far:

1) 3080 was a desperate move to counter Big Navi
2) It is expensive to produce, power hungry, buggy piece of hardware with no serious availability (at that price) for MONTHS TO COME (most likely scenario is more expensive 20GB version later on)

3070 is the only real product (in terms of "will be sold") that RDNA2 will complete with and from what we see Lisa will wipe the floor with Huang's offerings.
"DLSS", "RT, "Drivers" FUD will intensify, but will have limited effect.

 

[Super XP]

Redesigning the cache system was genius. AMD shows how to innovate again and again.
Looking forward to a Ryzen 7 - 5700x to replace my Ryzen 7 - 1700x. 3 Generations later sounds like a sound upgrade.

From what we know so far:

1) 3080 was a desperate move to counter Big Navi
2) It is expensive to produce, power hungry, buggy piece of hardware with no serious availability (at that price) for MONTHS TO COME (most likely scenario is more expensive 20GB version later on)

3070 is the only real product (in terms of "will be sold") that RDNA2 will complete with and from what we see Lisa will wipe the floor with Huang's offerings.
"DLSS", "RT, "Drivers" FUD will intensify, but will have limited effect.

Many people underestimate RDNA2, including Nvidia themselves. The RTX 3080 was in fact a desperation by Nvidia. When was the last time Nvidia launched a product that had so many issues? I can't recall at the moment. The key to RDNA2 is the rumored Infinity Cache that is suppose to play a huge role in performance by allowing AMD to utilize a smaller 256-bit memory bus (takes up less space) all while maintaining or exceeding performance if having a 512-bit memory bus - For Example!

 

[mahoney]

So no 5Ghz on the AM4 platform?
That adored leak for the 3000 series is looking even more dumber now

 

[Bytales]

Let me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

Hey yo gotta remember, nobody etches those CPUs for free.....
And let me tell yeah, their dirt cheap. Have you see the prices of the Zen2 Threadripper PRO ?
2050 EUR gets you a Lenovo Case, 1 TB hdd, one 1000W PSU, 1x16gb DDR4 3200MHZ ECC Ram, and one 12 core ThreadripperPRO Zen2 CPU(3945WX CPU).
From Here prices are as follow:
700 EUR more for the 16 core, 3955WX or
2950 EUR more for the 32 core, 3975WX or
6550 EUR more for the 64 core, 3995WX

In my opinion these are the best CPU AMD has made so far.
proper ECC suport, coto-chanell memory support, and a ton of other godies the plebeic CPUs dont get, which shouldnt happen really.

The Threadripper PRO is the peak of ZEN2 technology with everything it can offer. You can call it the Full-Option ZEN2 CPU.
Either im gonna scratch my ass and get me that, or ill wait for the full Option ZEN3 CPU.

These are the cpus to get, the rest are for the dumb masses ....

 

[Zach_01]

So no 5Ghz on the AM4 platform?
That adored leak for the 3000 series is looking even more dumber now

And 5950X lost 1.5% more performance. Now that is not worth it... and of course I'm entertained by that commend.

Probably 5950X could hit that last 2% of speed (+100MHz) to achieve the so important 5GHz psychological barrier but I assume it would come with an uneven cost to power draw (+5~10% maybe)

 

[mahirzukic2]

And 5950X lost 1.5% more performance. Now that is not worth it... and of course I'm entertained by that commend.

Probably 5950X could hit that last 2% of speed (+100MHz) to achieve the so important 5GHz psychological barrier but I assume it would come with an uneven cost to power draw (+5~10% maybe)

Meaning you could probably do it yourself when you loosen up those thermal limits.

 

[Zach_01]

Meaning you could probably do it yourself when you loosen up those thermal limits.

Well if it is like ZEN2 it doesnt work exactly that way. Its something between thermals, power limit, power delivery system, silicon lottety and the clouds in the sky.

ZEN2 boosting behaviour is 90+% thermal related and the past year I saw very, very rare cases of some high end SKUs like 3800X/3900X/3950X only passing by 25~50MHz the max rated boost speed.
They needed to be really well cooled to do even that +25~50MHz and got the lucky lottery silicon. Those chips (and there is nothing to make me believe than ZEN3 wont be the same as they are on the excactly same node) are hard-coded internally (by silicon FITcontroller) and no "tricks" can by-pass the max rated single core boost. You can trick them to surpass the all-core boost algorithm, as we saw few months ago with the "Power Reporting Deviation" situation that boards report false(less) power draw back to the CPU, but thats it. Nobody can control single core boosting without leading to instability or even to damage.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Meaning you could probably do it yourself when you loosen up those thermal limits.

That and there will also probably be XT SKUs next autumn getting past 5GHz.

 

[r9]

So 25% improvement and now beating intel by 5% in games. So the math is that Ryzen 2 was 20% behind Inter, that's not the impression I had for sure.
I have to see the 5600 reviews for sure but right now I think for $299 I would rather pick i7 10700 over Ryzen 5600. And that is really strange to me finding better value with Intel, especially when looking at new CPU that is not even out yet. And full credit to AMD even if you are Intel fan you can't deny that without their pressure you could get something like i7 10700 for $299 from Intel.
So competition is healthy people.
Hope AMD finally brings some competition to NVIDIA as well.
And I hope that we can get few cards to pick from and some healthy supply as well as I can't stand looking at Marketplace right now people still asking $500 for used 2070 and 1080ti.

Desperate implies that Big Navi will blow out of the water RTX 3080/3090 and that will never happen.
The very best we can hope for is for 6900xt to match RTX 3080 and even if that happens NVIDIA will play the 3080ti card and that's that.
There is nothing desperate here, what you seeing is NVIDIA finally have to think about competitively pricing a product as they didn't have competition in a very very long time.
And you can't say NVIDIA counters anything as that implies that they are responding to something that is already out and that's no true either.

Also if you read between the lines AMD haven't released much information and that's only because there is not much to brag about not to mention Lisa's quote "It bill be the most powerful GPU "we" every made".
NVDIA product is already out there is no reason to withhold any information, if anything AMD would benefit as it would give reason to potential NVIDIA customers to hold off on buying RTX.
So nothing I've seen so far seen screams that Big Navi will be this great success or anything NVIDIA should be concerned about.
Right now I'll settle with being competitive with 3080 and keep NVIDIA honest.

I think 6900xt will be slower than 3080, maybe match in some games that suits it better but that will be about it, offer more VRAM which will be the main selling point for AMD.
But honest to God I don't know what's the peoples fixation of amount of VRAM as the only valid metric is FPS.
Don't try to sell me that futureproof bs as never ever in history of GPUs extra vram was proven to get you more FPS down the line.

And so much unknowns like what the performance impact would be when enable Raytracing, how does the AMD Raytracing quality compares to NVDIA's, will AMD introduce something to compete with DLS 2.0, does the games will have to have separate implementation for each.

Personally I'm not too big of a fan of the current state of Raytracing as you pay a hefty performance penalty for something that most times it just looks different but you can't tell if it looks better or not.
And I don't dispute that Raytracing is the way to go it's just I don' think was worth it before when looking at 2080ti price.
As far as DLS 2.0 that's pure awesomeness, the opposite of Raytracing getting hefty performance boost but you barely notice difference in quality.

Redesigning the cache system was genius. AMD shows how to innovate again and again.
Looking forward to a Ryzen 7 - 5700x to replace my Ryzen 7 - 1700x. 3 Generations later sounds like a sound upgrade.


Many people underestimate RDNA2, including Nvidia themselves. The RTX 3080 was in fact a desperation by Nvidia. When was the last time Nvidia launched a product that had so many issues? I can't recall at the moment. The key to RDNA2 is the rumored Infinity Cache that is suppose to play a huge role in performance by allowing AMD to utilize a smaller 256-bit memory bus (takes up less space) all while maintaining or exceeding performance if having a 512-bit memory bus - For Example!

 

[mahoney]

Redesigning the cache system was genius. AMD shows how to innovate again and again.
Looking forward to a Ryzen 7 - 5700x to replace my Ryzen 7 - 1700x. 3 Generations later sounds like a sound upgrade.


Many people underestimate RDNA2, including Nvidia themselves. The RTX 3080 was in fact a desperation by Nvidia. When was the last time Nvidia launched a product that had so many issues? I can't recall at the moment. The key to RDNA2 is the rumored Infinity Cache that is suppose to play a huge role in performance by allowing AMD to utilize a smaller 256-bit memory bus (takes up less space) all while maintaining or exceeding performance if having a 512-bit memory bus - For Example!

Will these new cpu's even work on x370/b350 boards?
Didn't they say that only x470/b450 will support them?

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[Space Lynx]

All I do is game, so I am leaning towards buying the 5600X now, and trying for a 4.4 all core oc, with maybe a 4.5 or 4.6 boost on my best core, lets hope that is core 0.

I really don't see 8 core cpu's changing gaming benchmarks and I don't do streaming or multitasking of any kind so yeah I think i will save $250 and get the 5600X. i really don't see why you wouldn't spend $100 more for an extra speed boost and 4 more cores, the 5800x makes no sense to me.

 

[Turmania]

All I do is game, so I am leaning towards buying the 5600X now, and trying for a 4.4 all core oc, with maybe a 4.5 or 4.6 boost on my best core, lets hope that is core 0.

I really don't see 8 core cpu's changing gaming benchmarks and I don't do streaming or multitasking of any kind so yeah I think i will save $250 and get the 5600X. i really don't see why you wouldn't spend $100 more for an extra speed boost and 4 more cores, the 5800x makes no sense to me.

If you do only gaming, I really do not see why you should even go for 5600x? Go for 3300x or 5300x when it launches. Unless you do something else on the background those are enough and you save 100 usd and more.

 

[Zach_01]

If you do only gaming, I really do not see why you should even go for 5600x? Go for 3300x or 5300x when it launches. Unless you do something else on the background those are enough and you save 100 usd and more.

Depends... Not every one has the same plans on keeping their hardware the same amount of time. More cores and more threads are going to last you longer.
5600X its not 8/16 CPU but is a 6/12 which is better than 4/8. Plus its clocks and IPC will place it above 3900X for gaming.

 

[dr.noob]

If you do only gaming, I really do not see why you should even go for 5600x? Go for 3300x or 5300x when it launches. Unless you do something else on the background those are enough and you save 100 usd and more.

You are seeing it wrong because if you play online games at low settings a better cpu(ipc and cores) will give you a good boost. For example at the moment i use an i7 4770 playing vs 30 players +10 bots gets me around 100fps in Cuisine Royale but i'm aiming to 200-240 in 1080p for less input lag.

 

[cueman]

naah, vermeer zen 3 ,feels alot just zen 2,except price is higher..reql world.
hm,amd has 7nm cpu its pocket over year,but i cant understand...still 7nm ryzen CANT boost 5ghz?

what it is telling..hmm not good...

also,i see only amds price politics change.

i really recomended to check intel Rocket Lake performance 1st!
intel last 14nm cpu.


and then finaly, we see really what kind cpu amd 7nm ryzen vermeer is, when intel 10nm Adler Lake is here!

its happend Q2/2021.

battle:

intel Adler Lake hydrib 10nm VS 7nm amd vermeer zen 4 (2021)


i really recomemnded to search info intel Hybrid cpus.
Total new age and performane level start.

 

[mahirzukic2]

naah, vermeer zen 3 ,feels alot just zen 2,except price is higher..reql world.
hm,amd has 7nm cpu its pocket over year,but i cant understand...still 7nm ryzen CANT boost 5ghz?

what it is telling..hmm not good...

also,i see only amds price politics change.

i really recomended to check intel Rocket Lake performance 1st!
intel last 14nm cpu.


and then finaly, we see really what kind cpu amd 7nm ryzen vermeer is, when intel 10nm Adler Lake is here!

its happend Q2/2021.

battle:

intel Adler Lake hydrib 10nm VS 7nm amd vermeer zen 4 (2021)


i really recomemnded to search info intel Hybrid cpus.
Total new age and performane level start.

Dude, I think you are drinking too much of their kool-aid. Lay off the crack.

 

[Zach_01]

...still 7nm ryzen CANT boost 5ghz?

what it is telling..hmm not good...

The only thing that your post is telling is that you are lacking the knowledge of fundamental principals about manufacturing a silicon chip and its operational characteristics and limits of each node, on each manufacturer (like TSMC, GF, Samsung...)

So for you to know, Intel has no other way this time but to come up with a hybrid architecture to be able to compete, at least performance and core count wise. It’s the 10nm consistent failures that forced Intel into this path. This was was not their original plan nor the optimal one.

So I’m not blaming you for trying to present this as the new discovery of the wheel.
It’s simple... you are missing the big picture and you have a mindset of some meaningless numbers.

 

[mahirzukic2]

naah, vermeer zen 3 ,feels alot just zen 2,except price is higher..reql world.
hm,amd has 7nm cpu its pocket over year,but i cant understand...still 7nm ryzen CANT boost 5ghz?
...

So I’m not blaming you for trying to present this as the new discovery of the wheel.
It’s simple... you are missing the big picture and you have a mindset of some meaningless numbers.

So I’m not blaming you for trying to present this as the new discovery of the wheel.
It’s simple... you are missing the big picture and you have a mindset of some meaningless numbers.

 

[Dyatlov A]

Depends... Not every one has the same plans on keeping their hardware the same amount of time. More cores and more threads are going to last you longer.
5600X its not 8/16 CPU but is a 6/12 which is better than 4/8. Plus its clocks and IPC will place it above 3900X for gaming.

Yes 5600X with SMT off will be the new gamer king. I just hope there will be even room for overclocking.

 

[Zach_01]

Yes 5600X with SMT off will be the new gamer king. I just hope there will be even room for overclocking.

I really don expect this.
AMD probably took all the room available just like with ZEN2, and why not...
Wanted to hit Intel to everywhere they can.

 

[iamajunky]

Think it might be time to upgrade from my 4790k