• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

Joined
Jun 14, 2020
Messages
909 (1.01/day)
System Name Mean machine
Processor 12900k
Motherboard Apex z690
Cooling Noctua U12A
Memory 6000c32
Video Card(s) 3090 Gamerock oc
Storage 980 pro 2tb
Display(s) Samsung crg90
Case Fractal Torent
Audio Device(s) Shure se846 / Beyerdynamic dt1770
Power Supply Be quiet dark power pro 1200
Mouse Viper ultimate
Keyboard Blackwidow 65%
Benchmark Scores Timespy Graphics score : 23.244 SUPO 4k OPT : 20.043
User has been warned
Right your going on ignore.

You need to realise, your proof is actually nothing, word's.

If I and many others didn't think the likes of w1zzard uses actual benchmarks, collates results , then presents those results in an informative way to PROVE they're opinion and any statements, this site wouldn't still be here for you to flap your mouth in while showing zero proofs.

I know which opinion I'm backing, and you going on ignore should tell you it's not yours.
So you trust the reviewer. Great, me too. That doesn't mean the review has proof, cause it just doesn't. The fact that instead of addressing my point you decided to announce that you'll ignore me makes me right by definition. So thanks i guess
 
Joined
Oct 8, 2015
Messages
604 (0.23/day)
Location
Earth's Troposphere
System Name cvasi-rocket
Processor AMD Ryzen R7 5800X3D @ 1V doing 4GHz
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair VI Extreme
Cooling Air;oldie but a goodie/brand new monoblock in box
Memory 4 8GB SK Hynix dual rank DDR4 dimms @ 2133MT-3200MT
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RX 6900XT Gaming OC @underclocked and undervolted
Storage 480 GB Corsair MP510 , Kingston A400 480 GB SSD
Display(s) Dell UltraSharp U2410 , HP 24x
Case in the box
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Seasonic Focus PX-550
Mouse Razer Deathadder (2018 model)
Keyboard wireless , Logitech
Software W10.someting or another
Girls and boys, while popcorn would be fun on the side , I kind of sense an admin may be lurking.

One can only compare Zen3 to Adler(Alder)Lake so and so because these are way different architectures.

It would of been really nice to get a better IoD with Zen 3 on AM4 that can reliably push the IF clocks to 2200MHz , possibly above. But, just because that not happend , does not take away from Aledre Lake's DDR5 integrated memory controller performance scalability in certain this or that.

I for one have found on my AM4 platform that going from 4 8GB dimms ( dual rank dimms) @ 3200MT C16 flat , to 4 8GB dimms( single rank dimms) @3600MT C14 flat did not score better (within margin of error) , so yes architectural differences. Le: in cinebench r23.
 
Joined
Sep 21, 2020
Messages
938 (1.17/day)
Processor AMD FX 8300 @ 4.5
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
Cooling Thermalright Macho Rev.B
Memory 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400MHz CL10
Video Card(s) Asus HD7970 @ 1135/1750 + Prolimatech MK-26 + 2x 140mm
Storage 256GB Toshiba Q Pro MLC + 500GB WD VelociRaptor
Display(s) Dell U2412M
Case Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced USB 3.0 + Lamptron FC6
Audio Device(s) Audiotrak Prodigy Cube Black (JRC MUSES 8820D) + CAL (recabled)
Power Supply 750W Enermax Platimax
Mouse Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave
Keyboard Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave
Software Windows 7 Ultimate
Average CPU power consumption in 14 games from the already quoted PCGH article. They tested with an oc'd 6900XT at the lowest possible resolution, but in maximum detail with RT on. The wattage was measured at the motherboard, so accounting for VRM losses:

CPU_watts.jpg


In my own testing of 18 games the average CPU package power for the 5800X3D was 55w at 1080p with maximum quality and RT off, paired with a stock 6600XT.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
10,770 (2.32/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II/Trig
Processor Amd R5 5600G/ Intel 8750H/3800X
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus/crosshair hero 7
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Sapphire refference Rx vega 64 EK waterblocked/Rtx 2060/GTX 1060
Storage Silicon power 1TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dellshiter
Case Lianli p0-11 dynamic/strix scar2/aero cool shiter
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock /850 watt ?
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
So you trust the reviewer. Great, me too. That doesn't mean the review has proof, cause it just doesn't. The fact that instead of addressing my point you decided to announce that you'll ignore me makes me right by definition. So thanks i guess
Does it f£#@. . ..
 
Joined
Jun 14, 2020
Messages
909 (1.01/day)
System Name Mean machine
Processor 12900k
Motherboard Apex z690
Cooling Noctua U12A
Memory 6000c32
Video Card(s) 3090 Gamerock oc
Storage 980 pro 2tb
Display(s) Samsung crg90
Case Fractal Torent
Audio Device(s) Shure se846 / Beyerdynamic dt1770
Power Supply Be quiet dark power pro 1200
Mouse Viper ultimate
Keyboard Blackwidow 65%
Benchmark Scores Timespy Graphics score : 23.244 SUPO 4k OPT : 20.043
Joined
Apr 14, 2022
Messages
199 (0.85/day)
Location
London, UK
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VIII X570 Impact
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Memory Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz
Video Card(s) nVidia 2080Ti FE
Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB
Display(s) Asus XG35VQ
Case Phanteks P200A
Audio Device(s) Creative Gigaworks - Corsair HS50
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Logitech G513 Carbon
Software Windows 11 64bit
Is there any Asus X570 boards that has the curve optimizer available with a 5800X3D?

My X570 Impact's BIOS does not have it. Are there any beta BIOSes for other Asus boards?
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
Is there any Asus X570 boards that has the curve optimizer available with a 5800X3D?

My X570 Impact's BIOS does not have it. Are there any beta BIOSes for other Asus boards?
MSI X570 Unify supposedly has a Beta bios. Tho im not sure what version of the Unify. The old or newer Unify-X Max. I posted this news somewhere in this thread.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
MSI Intros 'Kombo Strike' Feature on AM4 500-Series Motherboards For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU, Offers Increased Performance & BIOS Undervolting Support

The following motherboards have already received the new BIOS which is available from their respective product page:
MOTHERBOARDBIOS VERSION*
MEG X570 GODLIKEE7C34AMS.1I1
MEG X570 ACEE7C35AMS.1J1
MEG X570 UnifyE7C35AMS.AE1
MEG X570S ACE MAXA7D50AMS.151
MEG X570S Unify-X MAXA7D51AMS.141
MEG B550 UnifyE7D13AMS.171
MEG B550 Unify-XE7D13AMS.A71
MEG B550 Mortar WiFiE7C94AMS.1D1
MEG B550M MortarE7C94AMS.1D1
 
Joined
Feb 23, 2019
Messages
4,537 (3.29/day)
Location
Poland
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling BeQuiet Dark Rock 4
Memory 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16
Video Card(s) RTX3080 Ti FE
Storage SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB
Display(s) Acer XB273GP
Case SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB
Audio Device(s) SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX
Power Supply SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Logitech G400 | SteelSeries Rival 300
Keyboard MK Typist (Kailh Box White)
Kombo Strike, lmao.
 
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
1,954 (0.30/day)
System Name Commercial towing vehicle "Nostromo"
Processor 5800X3D
Motherboard X570 Unify
Cooling EK-AIO 360 RGB
Memory 32 GB Kingston Fury 3600 MHz
Video Card(s) 2070 SUPER™ GAMING X TRIO
Power Supply AX860
Mouse Pulsfire Haste
Keyboard G512
Software Windows 11 22H2 - OS Build 22623.1020

MSI Kombo Strike For AM4 500-Series Motherboards Released: Up To 5% Performance Uplift & Undervolting Support For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Through BIOS​

Kombo Strike is a brand new feature that's being introduced by MSI for its AM4 500-series boards. The feature comes packaged in the latest BIOS for MSI's 500-series motherboards which not only add the Kombo Strike feature for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU but also unlock undervolting support for the chip.
 
Joined
Apr 14, 2022
Messages
199 (0.85/day)
Location
London, UK
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VIII X570 Impact
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Memory Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz
Video Card(s) nVidia 2080Ti FE
Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB
Display(s) Asus XG35VQ
Case Phanteks P200A
Audio Device(s) Creative Gigaworks - Corsair HS50
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Logitech G513 Carbon
Software Windows 11 64bit
Asus, I'm still waiting.....
 

Amaze

New Member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
10 (0.04/day)

MSI Kombo Strike For AM4 500-Series Motherboards Released: Up To 5% Performance Uplift & Undervolting Support For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Through BIOS​

Kombo Strike is a brand new feature that's being introduced by MSI for its AM4 500-series boards. The feature comes packaged in the latest BIOS for MSI's 500-series motherboards which not only add the Kombo Strike feature for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU but also unlock undervolting support for the chip.
According to user on Overclock.net:
“Kombo Strike’ is curve optimizer. Setting it to 1 is equivalent to -10, 2 is -20, and 3 is -30.
 

RyzenBurner

New Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2022
Messages
3 (0.02/day)
So i bought this 5800X3D last week....so far according to my testing, I think its underperforming slightly in that its missing the advertised boost clocks by about 50-150mhz? Most reviews seem to put it at around 4.35ghz all core boost and 4.5 to 4.55ghz single core boost, but as you can see from the images im getting more like 4.2 all core and 4.45 single. Cinebench r23 multicore came back with around 13000 - 13100 too, which seems low.

all core

ryzen 1.png


single core

ryzen 2.png

This is before the cpu is hitting thermal or electrical limits also. My board is asus x470-f and bios 6024/AGESA 1206. I have tried resetting the bios to optimal defaults and running a clean benchmark that way, and its the same.

Interestingly, in my testing bios 6042/AGESA 1207 actually dropped boost clocks another 200mhz, all core was down to 4.0ghz which is way off, so i went back to 6024. No idea what that was about.

Im not an expert, but everything i know right now says this cpu should be doing a little bit better than this. So did i get a dud chip, and should i RMA it? Im at a loss why im not getting quite the clocks that many others and many reviews are saying theyre getting.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
Same here. For some reason im maxing out at 4450Mhz. I've never seen 4500 or even 4550. Allcore is indeed 4350 max. I have a different board: Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master (v1.0).
I too have tried optimized defaults and im running the latest 1.2.0.7 based BIOS. Thankfully it's not 4Ghz low.

Others have suggested clean OS install. That's about the only advice i can offer. Either that or some X3D chips are severly underperforming.
It also seems like im missing some voltage. I've never seen it go above 1.30v tho it sould be 1.35v max.
 

RyzenBurner

New Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2022
Messages
3 (0.02/day)
It also seems like im missing some voltage. I've never seen it go above 1.30v tho it sould be 1.35v max.

Yeah now that you mention it, ive never seen my vcore go over 1.2 actually. Is it really supposed to be 1.35?

With regards to a clean install, i actually dual booted a fresh ubuntu install and i verified that i get the same low frequencies in that, so i believe ive ruled out a windows problem here.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
Yeah now that you mention it, ive never seen my vcore go over 1.2 actually. Is it really supposed to be 1.35?

With regards to a clean install, i actually dual booted a fresh ubuntu install and i verified that i get the same low frequencies in that, so i believe ive ruled out a windows problem here.
Im not sure how official it is but before the launch AMD's rep told media that it's limited to 1.35v.

Unfortunately AMD does not specify voltage and boost is marked as "up to 4.5Ghz": https://www.amd.com/en/product/11576

So it could be manufacturing variability why some are getting 4450. Some 4500 and some lucky ones 4550.
Also mine is below average FCLK overclocker as it's limited to 1866Mhz. Same as 3800X i upgraded from. I was hoping for 1900 at least considering it's B2 stepping of Zen 3
 
Last edited:
Joined
Apr 14, 2022
Messages
199 (0.85/day)
Location
London, UK
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VIII X570 Impact
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Memory Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz
Video Card(s) nVidia 2080Ti FE
Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB
Display(s) Asus XG35VQ
Case Phanteks P200A
Audio Device(s) Creative Gigaworks - Corsair HS50
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Logitech G513 Carbon
Software Windows 11 64bit
@RyzenBurner

Use the PBO2 Tuner. Set -20 or -30 to all cores and check again.
AMD CBS > NBIO > SMU > CPPC Enabled
AMD CBS > NBIO > SMU > CPPC Preferred Cores Disabled
AMD CBS > CPU > Global C-State Control Enabled

This behavior is common. I had the same issues.

Now I'm 4300-4375 all core on R23, 4450 on every game tested while every core hits 4550 on light tasks.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
@RyzenBurner

Use the PBO2 Tuner. Set -20 or -30 to all cores and check again.
AMD CBS > NBIO > SMU > CPPC Enabled
AMD CBS > NBIO > SMU > CPPC Preferred Cores Disabled
AMD CBS > CPU > Global C-State Control Enabled

This behavior is common. I had the same issues.

Now I'm 4300-4375 all core on R23, 4450 on every game tested while every core hits 4550 on light tasks.
Why would you disable preferred cores?

My settings for those are Enabled, Enabled and Disabled but i guess i can try to see if it makes a difference.
 
Joined
Apr 14, 2022
Messages
199 (0.85/day)
Location
London, UK
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VIII X570 Impact
Cooling Custom Water Cooling
Memory Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3600Mhz
Video Card(s) nVidia 2080Ti FE
Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB + 980 Pro 2TB
Display(s) Asus XG35VQ
Case Phanteks P200A
Audio Device(s) Creative Gigaworks - Corsair HS50
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse Razer Viper
Keyboard Logitech G513 Carbon
Software Windows 11 64bit
It doesn't make any difference to me but that's how I saw it recommended.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
Ok did did some testing and it's weird. Alaso played with PBO2 Tuner and tested -20, -30 and -40.
I enabled C-States and disabled preferred cores. Rebooted and ran both CB23 ST and MT tests.

What i noticed was that CB23 used the lowest performing core but that core was at 4450 during the ST test. Other cores were idling.
I then rebooted and went to BIOS again. Enabled preferred cores but left C-States enabled.

And then when booting back to Windows for the first time i saw a few cores hitting 4500 and one core (perf #1/1) hitting 4550.
Im not sure if it was because i changed those BIOS settings or because i played with PBO2 Tuner (or both) but something did change.

However now im not seeing anything past 4450 again after playing with PBO2 Tuner and running CB23 (no reboot). I guess i will have to go back to BIOS and disable preferred cores again.
The behaviour is inconsistent. I did gain about 1000 points in CB23 MT test compared to before because some cores ran at 4400 during the test. ST score increased slightly and is at 1495. MT at 14708.

Max core voltage is still at 1,29 something and temps did come down a little with -40 offset.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
55,534 (8.37/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570 Gaming-F
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.175V Hynix MJR)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.737v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Kogan 32" 4K 70Hz + Gigabyte G32QC (1440p 165Hz) + Phillips 328m6fjrmb (1440p 144Hz)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE (custom white and steel keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
So i bought this 5800X3D last week....so far according to my testing, I think its underperforming slightly in that its missing the advertised boost clocks by about 50-150mhz? Most reviews seem to put it at around 4.35ghz all core boost and 4.5 to 4.55ghz single core boost, but as you can see from the images im getting more like 4.2 all core and 4.45 single. Cinebench r23 multicore came back with around 13000 - 13100 too, which seems low.

all core

View attachment 253596

single core

View attachment 253597
This is before the cpu is hitting thermal or electrical limits also. My board is asus x470-f and bios 6024/AGESA 1206. I have tried resetting the bios to optimal defaults and running a clean benchmark that way, and its the same.

Interestingly, in my testing bios 6042/AGESA 1207 actually dropped boost clocks another 200mhz, all core was down to 4.0ghz which is way off, so i went back to 6024. No idea what that was about.

Im not an expert, but everything i know right now says this cpu should be doing a little bit better than this. So did i get a dud chip, and should i RMA it? Im at a loss why im not getting quite the clocks that many others and many reviews are saying theyre getting.
You're at 89C. You're throttling.

The reason you see speed ups that go away is you're saturating your cooling.
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
You're at 89C. You're throttling.

The reason you see speed ups that go away is you're saturating your cooling.
No he's not. Look at the second attachment. He's 75c. Well below 90c TjMax and still limited to 4450Mhz. I've run it at 92c myself and it did not downlock.
It's clearly not due to throttling. Based on what others have said it's something to do with C-States and CPPC function in BIOS. I was briefly able to get 4500 and 4550 when playing with those but it went away as quickly as it appeared.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
55,534 (8.37/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570 Gaming-F
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.175V Hynix MJR)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.737v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Kogan 32" 4K 70Hz + Gigabyte G32QC (1440p 165Hz) + Phillips 328m6fjrmb (1440p 144Hz)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE (custom white and steel keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
No he's not. Look at the second attachment. He's 75c. Well below 90c TjMax and still limited to 4450Mhz. I've run it at 92c myself and it did not downlock.
It's clearly not due to throttling. Based on what others have said it's something to do with C-States and CPPC function in BIOS. I was briefly able to get 4500 and 4550 when playing with those but it went away as quickly as it appeared.
1656997735200.png


You dont have to hit 90C to reduce the maximum boost clocks, he's running hot
 
Joined
Aug 21, 2013
Messages
1,324 (0.39/day)
View attachment 253674

You dont have to hit 90C to reduce the maximum boost clocks, he's running hot
Maximum boost clock on 5800X3D can't reach 4500 or 4550 even when idling around 40c with a 420mm AIO. I know because im cooling it with that. This is clearly issue with BIOS settings, even default ones - not boosting to a maximum in lightly threaded workloads.
 
Top