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It looks like they went pure power efficiency this generation.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Just to clarify: 65 W TDP equals 88 W PPT. That's the default settingIt has 88W power target. It should be compared directly to the 7700 with 88W power target.
But still a pass for most people.
System Name | Personal Gaming Rig |
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Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSI X670E Carbon |
Cooling | MO-RA 3 420 |
Memory | 32GB 6000MHz |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE ULTRA |
Storage | 4x 2TB Nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung G8 OLED |
Case | Silverstone FT04 |
System Name | 3 desktop systems: Gaming / Internet / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5500 / Ryzen 5 4600G / FX 6300 (12 years latter got to see how bad Bulldozer is) |
Motherboard | MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (1) / MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (2) / Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 |
Cooling | Νoctua U12S / Segotep T4 / Snowman M-T6 |
Memory | 32GB - 16GB G.Skill RIPJAWS 3600+16GB G.Skill Aegis 3200 / 16GB JUHOR / 16GB Kingston 2400MHz (DDR3) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX 6600 + GT 710 (PhysX)/ Vega 7 integrated / Radeon RX 580 |
Storage | NVMes, ONLY NVMes/ NVMes, SATA Storage / NVMe boot(Clover), SATA storage |
Display(s) | Philips 43PUS8857/12 UHD TV (120Hz, HDR, FreeSync Premium) ---- 19'' HP monitor + BlitzWolf BW-V5 |
Case | Sharkoon Rebel 12 / CoolerMaster Elite 361 / Xigmatek Midguard |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Chieftec 850W / Silver Power 400W / Sharkoon 650W |
Mouse | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Keyboard | CoolerMaster Devastator III Plus / CoolerMaster Devastator / Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 / Windows 10&Windows 11 / Windows 10 |
System Name | Personal / HTPC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5900x / Ryzen 5600X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock x570 Phantom Gaming 4 /ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming |
Cooling | Corsair H100i / bequiet! Pure Rock Slim 2 |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 3200 / 16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | EVGA XC3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti / EVGA RTX 3060 XC |
Storage | 500GB Pro 970, 250 GB SSD, 1TB & 500GB Western Digital / lots |
Display(s) | Dell - S3220DGF & S3222DGM 32" |
Case | CoolerMaster HAF XB Evo / CM HAF XB Evo |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G35 headset |
Power Supply | 850W SeaSonic X Series / 750W SeaSonic X Series |
Mouse | Logitech G502 |
Keyboard | Black Microsoft Natural Elite Keyboard |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 / Windows 10 Pro 64 |
I don't want to speak for W1zzard, but if I remember correctly he has his own spots in games where he runs benchmarks - spots that are more liken to what a gamer would experience in gaming and not just the included benchmark.Granted, I have not checked every single review out there but still quite a few sites and TPU are literally the ONLY one who are saying that the 9700X can hold a candle to the X3D CPUs of the 7000 generation.
In fact, TPU said that the 9700X is faster than the 7950X3D (0.8% at 1080p). I can not even remotely find this result and these findings reflected in a single other review.
"All" other reviews show 7800X3D/7950X3D with a considerable lead over the 9700X.
This is why I would like to ask the slightly provocative question: What went wrong with benchmarking at TPU?
For the record, I think you are usually a great source with reliable data. But something does not add up here. Literally no one else but you sees 9700X even in the same ballpark as the 7800X3D and 7950X3D.
No.... but Intel are taking care of that themselves at this point...
System Name | IdeaPad Gaming 3 15ARH7 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 6600H |
Memory | 16GB DDR5 4800MHz CL34 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3050 4GB Laptop |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB |
Audio Device(s) | Moondrop Quarks 3.5mm |
Mouse | Logitech G304 |
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
I mostly agree with your position but I'm skeptical of big change from 7800X3D to 9800X3D.Exactly. Anyone even considering a Raptor Lake CPU at this time must be clinically insane. And I would even go so far as saying that the same is true for Arrow Lake because no one knows if Arrow Lake will not also croak after a few months of usage due to massive degradation.
Intel does not deserve the benefit of the doubt imo. The only way they can regain trust is by releasing a couple of flawless CPU gens again.
Personally, I won't take any chances. I'm ready to replace my 13900K with Zen 5 as soon as the X870E boards become available (hopefully with the 9800X3D chip in tow). I really wish they would have released the boards today as well. Then I could already grab a X870E board with a 7800X3D (9700X is out after this review) and upgrade to 9800X3D later.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Confirmed, I'm always using in-game actual gameplay, not the integrated benchmarks. Scene selection goal is "demanding, but not worst case"and not just the included benchmark.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
Unfortunately, this word is now in both the Oxford English dictionary and the Cambridge dictionary. You can't blame Canada for that.Performant is not a word in english, do not use it!
It is only in french and Linus uses it because he is from Canada, country of snail-eating ancestry, and because he is confused.
Just wait for Arrow Lake....Intel upped Max. to 105 deg. Be interesting to see if it bounces off 105 constantly after 40-60 seconds like Raptor Lake.I would never get used to 95C by design.
System Name | Home PC |
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Processor | Ryzen 5900X |
Motherboard | Asus Prime X370 Pro |
Cooling | Thermaltake Contac Silent 12 |
Memory | 2x8gb F4-3200C16-8GVKB - 2x16gb F4-3200C16-16GVK |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX480 GTR |
Storage | Samsung SSD Evo 120GB -WD SN580 1TB - Toshiba 2TB HDWT720 - 1TB GIGABYTE GP-GSTFS31100TNTD |
Display(s) | Cooler Master GA271 and AoC 931wx (19in, 1680x1050) |
Case | Green Magnum Evo |
Power Supply | Green 650UK Plus |
Mouse | Green GM602-RGB ( copy of Aula F810 ) |
Keyboard | Old 12 years FOCUS FK-8100 |
Come on 15-16% IPC >>>> 3-4% from way back when zen+ launched.More like a Zen4+ than a Zen5.
It's not a question of whether the processor deserves the next-generation designation or not. The Zen5 microarchitecture is completely new from scratch, and the fact that it doesn't achieve much greater IPC growth in the first generation is another matter. Zen5 is a new step in AMD's development and is expected to enable further steady IPC growth.Overall, this is a major disappointment and does not feel like the CPUs are worthy of a new architecture name. At best Zen4+
ST performance bump is ~12%, but it only translates to 5% MT advantage. The only notable improvement is that it's up to 9% faster than the 65W 7700, but in the end, you might as well just save the $80 and get the 7700 instead of 9700X.
AMD made a big mistake by not including their NPU in these, losing the only reason to recommend Zen5 over Zen4.
That fact that single thread IPC is so high, but multi-thread isn't suggests that even with the additional efficiencies in design and new process node, they are still hitting the power / thermal limits of the silicon.Come on 15-16% IPC >>>> 3-4% from way back when zen+ launched.
The main reason this is looking bleak is that zen 3 - zen4 had IPC+high clock speeds!
Arrow lake CPUs will have modest temps, if Intel wants them to last more than a few months.Just wait for Arrow Lake....Intel upped Max. to 105 deg. Be interesting to see if it bounces off 105 constantly after 40-60 seconds like Raptor Lake.
Processor | 7800x3d |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | DDR5 32GB 6000MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | Asus TUF 7900 XT |
+ it's performance uplift is probably designed for the server world where the big bucks are.It's not a question of whether the processor deserves the next-generation designation or not. The Zen5 microarchitecture is completely new from scratch, and the fact that it doesn't achieve much greater IPC growth in the first generation is another matter. Zen5 is a new step in AMD's development and is expected to enable further steady IPC growth.
I understand that many may be disappointed with the performance increase of the Ryzen 9000.
System Name | Legion |
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Processor | i7-12700KF |
Motherboard | Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO |
Memory | PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB |
Storage | WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440 |
Case | Montech Air X |
Power Supply | Corsair CX750M |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 25 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys |
Software | Lots |
Just increase the TDP then, it's probably power starved.That fact that single thread IPC is so high, but multi-thread isn't suggests that even with the additional efficiencies in design and new process node, they are still hitting the power / thermal limits of the silicon.
I guess if that constraint was taken away, i.e. free-up the package power limits and use better cooling then it would look a lot better all around... but then you start getting into more exotic requirements.
I mostly agree with your position but I'm skeptical of big change from 7800X3D to 9800X3D.
I sense an XT version may do just that ... probably in a couple of years time.Just increase the TDP then, it's probably power starved.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
If we look at pure homogenous CPU workloads with no memory bottleneck, here's what I get from just my own tests (largely taken from my own projects):
Workload IPC Improvement: Zen4 -> Zen5 (Granite Ridge) Application Scalar Integer 20%
30 - 35%C++ Code Compilation
Basecase large multiply. Scalar 64-bit NTT kernels.x87 FPU 10 - 13% PiFast, y-cruncher BBP (00-x86) 128-bit SSE -1% (regression) y-cruncher BBP (05-A64 and 08-NHM) 256-bit AVX 5 - 8% y-cruncher BBP (19-ZN2) 512-bit AVX512 96 - 98% (basically 2x) y-cruncher BBP (22-ZN4) and various internal kernels